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| angrypuppy wrote: | | Day wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Day wrote: | | It's wild that you guys think any big company would let an employee put out content that's critical of the company. |
Pete's point was that Chick would do that all the time. I get that employees are supposed to be homers, but I think everyone is a homer on LFR. This idea that you're never supposed to criticize the team is ridiculous and out of touch with what fans want. Fans don't want North Korean propaganda, they want the story told how it is. What the FO wants is another matter. They're going around snuffing out "leaks." It's embarrassing. |
I think it's more that there was a Laker employee putting out content on their own personal platform that could be construed as overly critical or negative. They didn't fire him, they gave him an ultimatum - they didn't want him putting out his own Laker related content as a Laker employee that wasn't official Laker content. |
That's double talk (not you personally, but rather the org). How can you be a journalist if you have to wait until some official version becomes sanctified? Besides, as a journalist you lose all credibility with your audience if you only spew tepid, pro-company commentary, so it's only a matter of time before you lose your audience anyway. You have to take a stand. It comes down to whether you take pride in being a journalist or take pride in being a PR mouthpiece. |
GT was never a journalist, he worked for the PR/ marketing department of the Lakers. To some degree I actually give the Lakers some credit for hiring him as long as they did, because it's unusual. I can't think of another franchise that hired a fan while letting them maintain communications on their podcast.
It's too bad the Lakers stopped this arrangement and I think it's for a stupid reason (calling the Hurley saga a "saga") but I'm not going to pretend like this is some unique Lakers incompetence |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: | | Day wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Day wrote: | | It's wild that you guys think any big company would let an employee put out content that's critical of the company. |
Pete's point was that Chick would do that all the time. I get that employees are supposed to be homers, but I think everyone is a homer on LFR. This idea that you're never supposed to criticize the team is ridiculous and out of touch with what fans want. Fans don't want North Korean propaganda, they want the story told how it is. What the FO wants is another matter. They're going around snuffing out "leaks." It's embarrassing. |
I think it's more that there was a Laker employee putting out content on their own personal platform that could be construed as overly critical or negative. They didn't fire him, they gave him an ultimatum - they didn't want him putting out his own Laker related content as a Laker employee that wasn't official Laker content. |
That's double talk (not you personally, but rather the org). How can you be a journalist if you have to wait until some official version becomes sanctified? Besides, as a journalist you lose all credibility with your audience if you only spew tepid, pro-company commentary, so it's only a matter of time before you lose your audience anyway. You have to take a stand. It comes down to whether you take pride in being a journalist or take pride in being a PR mouthpiece. |
GT was never a journalist, he worked for the PR/ marketing department of the Lakers. To some degree I actually give the Lakers some credit for hiring him as long as they did, because it's unusual. I can't think of another franchise that hired a fan while letting them maintain communications on their podcast.
It's too bad the Lakers stopped this arrangement and I think it's for a stupid reason (calling the Hurley saga a "saga") but I'm not going to pretend like this is some unique Lakers incompetence |
Yes - this. Frankly I'm surprised GT took the Lakers job right when he was starting to take off with his solo act. Notwithstanding some of the silly responses in this thread, GT (as would anyone else with common sense) probably knew that this would naturally limit what he was able to say to some degree. I just figured he was interested in getting a bit of a peek behind the curtain and that trade-off was worth it at the time. The independent content creation world hasn't gone anywhere so, unlike Dan Hurley, he took his potentially once in a lifetime shot to work for the franchise.
This thread is very amusing. The Lakers aren't a big company so they shouldn't care what GT says? Really? They're not Wal-Mart, but they have something like 150 employees and generate over half a billion dollars of revenue a year. Much smaller companies with much less valuable brands are still interested in protecting it. To Tox's point, GT wasn't hired by the Lakers to be an independent journalist. He was hired to create content for the org. The point about calling the Hurley situation a "saga" sounds like some HR speak. It was probably several things accumulating over the years. And it was still up to GT how to proceed. I think he chose the right path. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the clarification, I didn't know GT's status.
For what it's worth, I consider GT a private journalist. Even sports journalists employed by established media firms have it tough, as they can get frozen out by athletes, agents, and teams after they publish unfavorable stories. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | GT was never a journalist, he worked for the PR/ marketing department of the Lakers. To some degree I actually give the Lakers some credit for hiring him as long as they did, because it's unusual. I can't think of another franchise that hired a fan while letting them maintain communications on their podcast.
It's too bad the Lakers stopped this arrangement and I think it's for a stupid reason (calling the Hurley saga a "saga") but I'm not going to pretend like this is some unique Lakers incompetence |
Podcasters/Bloggers have become an increasingly important part of team media coverage. Teams can't really monetize the space because fans know it would all be fluff. They also can't easily control the narratives from those channels. For those reasons I actually thought hiring Pete and allowing his LFR pod to continue was forward thinking on the Lakers part. The fans got a voice they trusted who had greater access than others, but the team got to draw some lines. You can see it as cross purpose, but you can also see it as complimentary, with the right collaboration. The coaching search appeared to be an item of particular sensitivity, as clearly is Bronny. Our leadership is also likely to come under significant fire during this season if the team doesn't perform well.
It's also worth noting that they probably required JJ to retire his pods to take the Lakers job. So perhaps there was a "broader" policy they were looking to implement.
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Hopefully GT finds his way back, when he's ready...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Just another case of the Lakers letting go of top talent for stupid reasons like Spero Dedes, Randle, Lopez, etc |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I am guessing this will be great for Pete's future content. Which is great for us. I do hate that Mike Trudell will no longer be part of the podcast as I do think he was one of the best parts of it. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Guess I'll be listening the LFR pod again. |
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An opportunity in disguise. He has to go the indendendent route so his podcast isn't so sanitized. He'll make way more money monetizing that content. People don't want to hear approved takes by the higher ups. They blow and it's the reason mainstream media is on life support right now.
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| How much was he paid by the Lakers and what exactly did he do for them? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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GT is a legend. Hope he comes back.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Look forward to hearing/viewing whatever he does next. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| And I look forward to having the freedom to make comments akin to "Jack Kent Cooke is the only man I ever met who wished he could die in his own arms" and "This Lakers team can't beat the Sisters of Mercy" |
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You don't have to go back to Chick for examples of employees being truthful about the Lakers. Stu Lantz rightfully sounds like half of LG most game nights.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | You don't have to go back to Chick for examples of employees being truthful about the Lakers. Stu Lantz rightfully sounds like half of LG most game nights. |
Worthy, Horry and most of the ex-players on the postgame show don't really hold back either.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| manlisten wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | You don't have to go back to Chick for examples of employees being truthful about the Lakers. Stu Lantz rightfully sounds like half of LG most game nights. |
Worthy, Horry and most of the ex-players on the postgame show don't really hold back either. |
Yup. Didn't BGJ almost get fired already this off-season?  former players be having a Hella time holding their tongue  |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds almost like what happened w/the James Worthy firing that wasn't. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:40 am Post subject: |
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I've been listening to the Lakers Film Room since day one. I love the content that Pete puts out. I was excited when he was hired by our Lakers organization. I'm saddened by this news, but also equally enthralled by the opportunity this presents for Pete and for his listeners. With a couple of more years of experience under his belt, coupled with inroads of connections within the organization, 68,000+ subscribers on YouTube and now the freedom to say what is on his mind? Pete made the right choice.
I'll definitely miss Mike Trudell though.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Not a podcast guy, I just missed his posting! Sounds like he made the call, hope it works out.
In the meantime, "come back, GoldenThroat!"
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| This is great news. Now their discourse won't be so muted and euphemistic. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| And he's immediately back to his old Patreon ways. I laughed out loud at that email he just sent lol. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| TDRock wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | You don't have to go back to Chick for examples of employees being truthful about the Lakers. Stu Lantz rightfully sounds like half of LG most game nights. |
Worthy, Horry and most of the ex-players on the postgame show don't really hold back either. |
Yup. Didn't BGJ almost get fired already this off-season? former players be having a Hella time holding their tongue |
Seems like they are holding their tongue on Bronny...mostly. |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | You don't have to go back to Chick for examples of employees being truthful about the Lakers. Stu Lantz rightfully sounds like half of LG most game nights. |
In the first post-firing audio, GT/LFR uses those quotes regarding being able to speak more freely again, so I used them. Plus I had never heard them and they were funny. |
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| focus wrote: | | TDRock wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | You don't have to go back to Chick for examples of employees being truthful about the Lakers. Stu Lantz rightfully sounds like half of LG most game nights. |
Worthy, Horry and most of the ex-players on the postgame show don't really hold back either. |
Yup. Didn't BGJ almost get fired already this off-season? former players be having a Hella time holding their tongue |
Seems like they are holding their tongue on Bronny...mostly. |
Well to my memory I don't think big game James has been on spectrum at all this summer so far. They aren't carrying the summer league on spectrum so they probably have him scurried away in the closet somewhere so he doesn't say something again like whatever this was when he got caught on tape lol |
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