|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Batguano
Star Player
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
Posts: 2493
|
 Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| P.K. wrote: | | Batguano wrote: | | P.K. wrote: | It's actually 2 different polls, one of 103 players in 2023 and 133 players in 2024.
There's 30 NBA teams, and each team has a max of 15 players (although a lot of teams only carry 14). So, that's about 23% of all all current players in the 2023 poll & almost 30% of all NBA players in 2024
Political polls generally talk to 1000-1500 people out of a US voting population of about 170 million. That's a sample size of roughly 1 in 170,000. The margin of error is generally calculated at 3-4%
So, you're calling these NBA polls inaccurate because they're a sample size of about 1 in 3.5? The margin of error in that large a sample % is incredibly small. Like I said, you don't understand statistics.
As a matter of fact, you're sounding a lot like a certain political candidate that keeps claiming the main stream media is lying and the polls aren't representative. Kobe didn't lose that NBA players poll - the media stole it from him
BTW: Do you listen to podcasts of all 450 or so current NBA players - or just the ones that agree with your opinions? Probably the 2nd, so of course all the podcasts you hear agree with you, don't they? FauxNews loves guys like you.
I get it, you're a Kobestan and you'll proclaim him the GOAT to the death, facts be damned. |
Damn, somehow making this into a Donald Trump analogy is CRAZY. 
|
"The media is against Kobe, they're biased, the polls are wrong"
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you're probably Donald |
Damn. Homie has lost the plot.
I hope for the sake of your mental health and those around you (the unfortunate few that can tolerate you in person) that Trump doesn’t get re-elected. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
P.K.
Retired Number
Joined: 10 Jul 2003
Posts: 33122
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Batguano wrote: | | P.K. wrote: | | Batguano wrote: | | P.K. wrote: | It's actually 2 different polls, one of 103 players in 2023 and 133 players in 2024.
There's 30 NBA teams, and each team has a max of 15 players (although a lot of teams only carry 14). So, that's about 23% of all all current players in the 2023 poll & almost 30% of all NBA players in 2024
Political polls generally talk to 1000-1500 people out of a US voting population of about 170 million. That's a sample size of roughly 1 in 170,000. The margin of error is generally calculated at 3-4%
So, you're calling these NBA polls inaccurate because they're a sample size of about 1 in 3.5? The margin of error in that large a sample % is incredibly small. Like I said, you don't understand statistics.
As a matter of fact, you're sounding a lot like a certain political candidate that keeps claiming the main stream media is lying and the polls aren't representative. Kobe didn't lose that NBA players poll - the media stole it from him
BTW: Do you listen to podcasts of all 450 or so current NBA players - or just the ones that agree with your opinions? Probably the 2nd, so of course all the podcasts you hear agree with you, don't they? FauxNews loves guys like you.
I get it, you're a Kobestan and you'll proclaim him the GOAT to the death, facts be damned. |
Damn, somehow making this into a Donald Trump analogy is CRAZY.
|
"The media is against Kobe, they're biased, the polls are wrong"
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you're probably Donald |
Damn. Homie has lost the plot.
I hope for the sake of your mental health and those around you (the unfortunate few that can tolerate you in person) that Trump doesn’t get re-elected. |
I didn't say a single thing about the election. I merely pointed out that all the denial of the poll I copied in, the claims that the media were biased, and that the denial of the other data I provided made some of you look as bad as the election deniers (from 4 years ago, I'd add). That's a comparison of the illogic employed by you and others in the face of overwhelming factual and statistical data.
As far as mental health goes, I've logically cited several polls and statistical data....you and a few others have stomped your feet while screaming inanities like "LameStream Media Bias," "a poll over 33% of the players can't be right because you don't like the result," and other nonsense like "LBJ's skills don't count because he played for more than 1 team" (as if that's somehow relevant in a comparison of skill levels)
do you really think my logical thinking is going to be upset by guys that can't understand simple statistics, issue ridiculous proclamations, or engage in foot stomping temper tantrums?
nice try, Donald Duck --- feeble, but a valiant effort.
too bad almost everything you've, and the other guy, has said has been factually wrong
_________________
Never argue with a fool - listeners can't tell you apart
Wilt's unstoppable fadeaway: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9MgNfcGJA
NPZ's Magic Johnson mix: www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Qbo0WqvOI |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Batguano
Star Player
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
Posts: 2493
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:17 am Post subject: |
|
|
| P.K. wrote: | | Batguano wrote: | | P.K. wrote: | | Batguano wrote: | | P.K. wrote: | It's actually 2 different polls, one of 103 players in 2023 and 133 players in 2024.
There's 30 NBA teams, and each team has a max of 15 players (although a lot of teams only carry 14). So, that's about 23% of all all current players in the 2023 poll & almost 30% of all NBA players in 2024
Political polls generally talk to 1000-1500 people out of a US voting population of about 170 million. That's a sample size of roughly 1 in 170,000. The margin of error is generally calculated at 3-4%
So, you're calling these NBA polls inaccurate because they're a sample size of about 1 in 3.5? The margin of error in that large a sample % is incredibly small. Like I said, you don't understand statistics.
As a matter of fact, you're sounding a lot like a certain political candidate that keeps claiming the main stream media is lying and the polls aren't representative. Kobe didn't lose that NBA players poll - the media stole it from him
BTW: Do you listen to podcasts of all 450 or so current NBA players - or just the ones that agree with your opinions? Probably the 2nd, so of course all the podcasts you hear agree with you, don't they? FauxNews loves guys like you.
I get it, you're a Kobestan and you'll proclaim him the GOAT to the death, facts be damned. |
Damn, somehow making this into a Donald Trump analogy is CRAZY.
|
"The media is against Kobe, they're biased, the polls are wrong"
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you're probably Donald |
Damn. Homie has lost the plot.
I hope for the sake of your mental health and those around you (the unfortunate few that can tolerate you in person) that Trump doesn’t get re-elected. |
I didn't say a single thing about the election. I merely pointed out that all the denial of the poll I copied in, the claims that the media were biased, and that the denial of the other data I provided made some of you look as bad as the election deniers (from 4 years ago, I'd add). That's a comparison of the illogic employed by you and others in the face of overwhelming factual and statistical data.
As far as mental health goes, I've logically cited several polls and statistical data....you and a few others have stomped your feet while screaming inanities like "LameStream Media Bias," "a poll over 33% of the players can't be right because you don't like the result," and other nonsense like "LBJ's skills don't count because he played for more than 1 team" (as if that's somehow relevant in a comparison of skill levels)
do you really think my logical thinking is going to be upset by guys that can't understand simple statistics, issue ridiculous proclamations, or engage in foot stomping temper tantrums?
nice try, Donald Duck --- feeble, but a valiant effort.
too bad almost everything you've, and the other guy, has said has been factually wrong |
One day you’ll be able to tell your grandkids all about how you singlehandedly stopped internet strangers from proclaiming Kobe to be a Top 3/GOAT player.
Accuses others of throwing “temper tantrums” while you’re furiously typing away thesis-long essays. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Snipes
Star Player
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Posts: 7654
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| P.K. wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | P.K. wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | P.K. wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | Bron's career is now tough to gauge?...
Some of this stuff just writes itself... |
Amusing isn't it?
Let's try this on for size..
MJ scored 32,292 points in his career.
On 12/14/14 Kobe equaled that (2 FT's with 5:24 left in the 2nd quarter).
On 3/6/19 Lebron equaled that (Dunk, And1 with 5:38 left in the 2nd Q against Denver).
So, all 3 guys got to exactly (+/- a point or 2) the same place; 32,292pts total. Here were their stats to reach exactly the same point total
MJ: 1072 games, 24,537 FGA, 12,192 FGM, 49.7%
LBJ: 1190 games, 23,286 FGA, 11741 FGM, 50.4%
Kobe: 1269 games, 24,908 FGA, 11,261 FGM, 45.2%
Breakdown by points type:
MJ: 2ptrs 23,222 (72% of total), 3ptrs 1743 (5%), FT’s 7327 (23%)
LBJ: 2ptrs 20,054 (62%), 3ptrs 5142 (15.92%), FT's 7099 (22%)
Kobe: 2ptrs 19,164 (59%), 3ptrs 5022 (15.55%), FT’s 8106 (25%)
Kobe: it took Kobe 371 MORE FGA's then MJ, and 1,6222 more than LBJ. That 45% FG% is a killer.
Kobe also got the benefit of 923 extra points off of FT's then MJ (both were 83.x% FT shooters). And got 1007 more pts from FT's then LBJ (who's a 74% FT shooter).
The FT disparity pretty much dispels the "tougher era" argument too. Not to mention "The Jordan Rules"
All 3 guys are on the mountain...
It's just that 2 guys are on the mountain top, one quite a ways below..
but, yeah.....it's tough to gauge
(oh, oh...more facts) |
Kobe is my favorite player of all time, but I know he's a step below the true top tier.
I have it LeBron, Jordan, KAJ in that order for the top tier.
You talk about scoring, but he's also one of the best play-makers of all time and played all 5 positions, being legitimately good at defending those positions.
In my mind, he's definitely the best, most skilled basketball player of all time. You can argue about "greatest", because I think that's just comparing resumes. But he's the "best."
As I've gotten older, I've realized rings have to come with context for them.
LeBron had nothing resembling a contender during his first stint in CLE. He won when he had the requisite talent with him in MIA, won in CLE before KD/Curry teamed up, and won in LA before the Lakers messed up the supporting cast.
He hasn't enjoyed the stable front offices/rosters these other superstars have had. |
Magic was my favorite player, and it was hard to admit that MJ was passing him..but, there was no denying it after a while.
My top 4 is MJ, LBJ, KAJ, Magic
but, I can see where LBJ can be #1 - it's tight |
Nobody cares |
from the guy that says "we should have let Lebron walk"
Irrefrutable proof your judgement is seriously in doubt. |
LBJ + AD = 7th seed |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Halflife
Franchise Player
Joined: 15 Aug 2015
Posts: 21323
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
32
Retired Number
Joined: 04 Nov 2009
Posts: 77236
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
Most people outside of the Lakers bubble have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. As a Lakers fan I love Kobe but I have Lebron ranked higher. I have Kobe somewhere between 6-10. I have Lebron ranked somewhere between 1-3.
_________________
Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Halflife
Franchise Player
Joined: 15 Aug 2015
Posts: 21323
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
| 32 wrote: | | Most people outside of the Lakers bubble have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. As a Lakers fan I love Kobe but I have Lebron ranked higher. I have Kobe somewhere between 6-10. I have Lebron ranked somewhere between 1-3. |
define most people? Analysts? The people that slandered kobe at every turn? or players? I can certainly find guys that played against both say kobe.
Kobe never won a popularity contest but when it comes to results 5>3* unless rings don't matter.
Bron has been playing since he was 18. he was going to always get numbers - he passed KAJ.A guy that played in college without 3pt shot.
The reality if we are all being honest without bias.
Last 20 years:
kobe
All-time:
Kobe>KAJ>Magic>MJ
_________________
Dave McMenamin on the Lebron ERA: "Underwhelming"
King of LA - https://x.com/kobehighlight/status/1935112472375214372 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Snipes
Star Player
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Posts: 7654
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Halflife wrote: | Kobe had 2 different eras
3 out of 4
2 out of 3
Steph built a dynasty in Brons era. |
And KD slapped the (bleep) out of him in Bron’s era too and went b2b. LOL. Goes b2b2b if not for an Achilles injury in the finals. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Snipes
Star Player
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Posts: 7654
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
| 32 wrote: | | Most people outside of the Lakers bubble have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. As a Lakers fan I love Kobe but I have Lebron ranked higher. I have Kobe somewhere between 6-10. I have Lebron ranked somewhere between 1-3. |
This is more than a fair and respectful take. I don’t understand why people can’t state their opinion without dumping on others who feel otherwise.
Ultimately peak sports is like art. Which artist you prefer is up to you.
And I do agree that because of Bron’s longevity the rank is shifting. Most people DO have Bron over Kobe. Analysts, players (these are current players who were too young to watch Kobe btw), and then the general NBA fan. Ex-players who played in Kobe’s era that retired halfway through Lebron’s or earlier all have Kobe. It’s a very subjective thing.
But I firmly believe when Bron retires, this rank will shift again to Kobe>Lebron. But I could be wrong, one thing is for sure Lebron has done everything to a T. His career is basically AI and the media has been hand in hand with him every step of the way. So much so that people who have gotten the best of him over and over aren’t even uttered in the same sentence as him which doesn’t make any sense.
The way Kobe went out really taints his legacy. Most people’s memory of Kobe is the 60point game vs Utah. To me, Kobe retired soon as he went down against Golden State in 2013. And that’s a 17 year career with 2 years being wasted under Del Harris.
I am 100% on board that the general consensus is Lebron>Kobe now. I don’t need to fight against it because I believe what I believe. It doesn’t bother me when I hear it over and over. It used to. But then I realized I wasn’t being paid to fight this narrative and that nobody could change my mind that Kobe is the best player to ever play this game. Jordan with a 3pt shot. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Halflife
Franchise Player
Joined: 15 Aug 2015
Posts: 21323
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Snipes wrote: | | It doesn’t bother me . |
It shouldn't bother anyone, but the only reason these things are posted is for the debate. MJ, Kobe never called themselves the best, they always pushed it to the guys before them. KAJ said in an interview that he is underrated but said its fine because his peers knew.
Only one guy in the conversation has called themself the goat.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C55FHz-raU4/?igsh=MWQ1ZGUxMzBkMA==
_________________
Dave McMenamin on the Lebron ERA: "Underwhelming"
King of LA - https://x.com/kobehighlight/status/1935112472375214372 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Batguano
Star Player
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
Posts: 2493
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I just think it’s hilarious and super weird how much some people have such a huge problem with anyone ranking Kobe in the Top 5. Virtually no other player could be mentioned (Magic, Bird, Wilt, Shaq, Russell, Duncan, etc.) that would receive the same amount of pushback and contrarian responses with people typing out thesis-long dissertations about why Kobe “IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT TOP 5 (unless you’re a delusional Kobe Stan)” in response. As if it were their life’s mission to put “delusional Kobe Stans” in their place for daring to rank him anything more than Top 8 (with some even going as far as saying he’s outside the Top 10).
I’ve even seen people try to argue Hakeem, Oscar and West over Kobe.
Then you have the people that like to pretend as if they speak for the masses or the majority with how they phrase things: “Only Kobe Stans think this. No one outside of the Lakers bubble thinks XYZ.”
It really is quiet comical how triggering Kobe can be for a lot of people. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
miggz23
Star Player
Joined: 29 Nov 2018
Posts: 9991
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Same old crap debate been going on for almost 2 decades… This is some how turned to lets crap on Lebron’s career to prop up Kobe from the usual suspects, because they can’t handle that some Laker fans here actually have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Batguano
Star Player
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
Posts: 2493
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| miggz23 wrote: | | Same old crap debate been going on for almost 2 decades… This is some how turned to lets crap on Lebron’s career to prop up Kobe from the usual suspects, because they can’t handle that some Laker fans here actually have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. |
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. When LeBron retires will you go back into your hole and stop watching basketball all together? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
miggz23
Star Player
Joined: 29 Nov 2018
Posts: 9991
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Batguano wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Same old crap debate been going on for almost 2 decades… This is some how turned to lets crap on Lebron’s career to prop up Kobe from the usual suspects, because they can’t handle that some Laker fans here actually have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. |
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. When LeBron retires will you go back into your hole and stop watching basketball all together? |
Cap out and weak question right there… I’ve been lurking here since 2012-2013 and tried to sign up way before Lebron signed here, but for some reason was not getting approved or getting denied. I just continued to lurk during those down 4-5 years since there was really nothing worthy to be excited about.
I’ts funny as I actually grew up an MJ fan as my handle means Mike23. Even when my Brother/Father were die-hard Lakers fan, and started to cheer for the Lakers when they got Shaq and Phil. Both of them stopped really watching the Lakers after Kobe retired.
Last edited by miggz23 on Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:23 pm; edited 2 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Halflife
Franchise Player
Joined: 15 Aug 2015
Posts: 21323
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| miggz23 wrote: | | Same old crap debate been going on for almost 2 decades… This is some how turned to lets crap on Lebron’s career to prop up Kobe from the usual suspects, because they can’t handle that some Laker fans here actually have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. |
no. if its a numbers game then the guy who came into the league playing from day 1 would win that.
Do 1st team defenses mean anything then? rings? or is it only MVP's? tougher road? Bron fans first say his tenure here has been amazing. really? Have you seen the teams record without bubble? Coaches fired? accountability (or lack there of). This has zero to do with bron first fans putting him above other guys, it's just that the goalposts always shift to make their argument.
_________________
Dave McMenamin on the Lebron ERA: "Underwhelming"
King of LA - https://x.com/kobehighlight/status/1935112472375214372 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
miggz23
Star Player
Joined: 29 Nov 2018
Posts: 9991
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Halflife wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Same old crap debate been going on for almost 2 decades… This is some how turned to lets crap on Lebron’s career to prop up Kobe from the usual suspects, because they can’t handle that some Laker fans here actually have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. |
no. if its a numbers game then the guy who came into the league playing from day 1 would win that.
Do 1st team defenses mean anything then? rings? or is it only MVP's? tougher road? Bron fans first say his tenure here has been amazing. really? Have you seen the teams record without bubble? Coaches fired? accountability (or lack there of). This has zero to do with bron first fans putting him above other guys, it's just that the goalposts always shift to make their argument. |
How ironic coming from the king of hot takes and bs 3* narratives...
You are willing to down play a title in Lakers history on the year Kobe died just to make a point that Kobe is better and your dislike towards Lebron.
I don't even have any issues that you have Kobe over Lebron because you simply prefer him. Just stop with the BS narratives. History books don't care about that stuff. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lakeshow23_
Star Player
Joined: 02 May 2021
Posts: 1514
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Halflife wrote: | Kobe had 2 different eras
3 out of 4
2 out of 3
Steph built a dynasty in Brons era. |
A. Kobe won 5 in 20. Losing in the earlier rounds of the playoffs doesn’t make it count any less than losing in the finals.
B. Tim Duncan built a dynasty in Kobe’s era, except he also has more MVPs and FMVPs than Kobe as well.
C. Kobe won his first 3 averaging 23 in the finals while Shaq averaged 35 and 16.
See, the narrative peddling works both ways. Nothing wrong with thinking that Kobe is the GOAT but be consistent with your criticism. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ksmgf
Star Player
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
Posts: 6592
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| LOL at Luka over Dwight. Might as well include Tatum, Jalen Brown and Derrick White on that list. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Batguano
Star Player
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
Posts: 2493
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| miggz23 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Same old crap debate been going on for almost 2 decades… This is some how turned to lets crap on Lebron’s career to prop up Kobe from the usual suspects, because they can’t handle that some Laker fans here actually have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. |
no. if its a numbers game then the guy who came into the league playing from day 1 would win that.
Do 1st team defenses mean anything then? rings? or is it only MVP's? tougher road? Bron fans first say his tenure here has been amazing. really? Have you seen the teams record without bubble? Coaches fired? accountability (or lack there of). This has zero to do with bron first fans putting him above other guys, it's just that the goalposts always shift to make their argument. |
How ironic coming from the king of hot takes and bs 3* narratives...
You are willing to down play a title in Lakers history on the year Kobe died just to make a point that Kobe is better and your dislike towards Lebron.
I don't even have any issues that you have Kobe over Lebron because you simply prefer him. Just stop with the BS narratives. History books don't care about that stuff. |
Ick. Using Kobe’s death to try to give value to your precious Mickey Mouse championship is gross. Especially with how much you constantly slander him on this board in order to prop up your hero LeBron.
Talk about “BS narratives”, yikes… |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Batguano
Star Player
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
Posts: 2493
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Japago
Star Player
Joined: 21 Jun 2018
Posts: 2983
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| 32 wrote: | | Most people outside of the Lakers bubble have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. As a Lakers fan I love Kobe but I have Lebron ranked higher. I have Kobe somewhere between 6-10. I have Lebron ranked somewhere between 1-3. |
Oh, it's not even an argument for most people. They're generally not seen as being on the same level.
It's 50/50 for most NBA fans whether Kobe is in the top 10 or not.
Mainly due to advanced stats, some people even have him way outside of that. Like, not even top 20.
I personally agree with the ranges you have for both players. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
miggz23
Star Player
Joined: 29 Nov 2018
Posts: 9991
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Batguano wrote: | https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1818370606532116940?t=hHpIzRIXq0fpBxz10PndPw&s=08
Shams has spoken…  |
No problem with his explanation whatsoever... That's who he prefers. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Batguano
Star Player
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
Posts: 2493
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Japago wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Most people outside of the Lakers bubble have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. As a Lakers fan I love Kobe but I have Lebron ranked higher. I have Kobe somewhere between 6-10. I have Lebron ranked somewhere between 1-3. |
Oh, it's not even an argument for most people. They're generally not seen as being on the same level.
It's 50/50 for most NBA fans whether Kobe is in the top 10 or not.
Mainly due to advanced stats, some people even have him way outside of that. Like, not even top 20.
I personally agree with the ranges you have for both players. |
Perfect example of that rhetoric and verbiage where one person attempts to speak for the masses or the majority…. Add some hyperbole on top. “Not even Top 20”
What a joke… |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Japago
Star Player
Joined: 21 Jun 2018
Posts: 2983
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Batguano wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Most people outside of the Lakers bubble have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. As a Lakers fan I love Kobe but I have Lebron ranked higher. I have Kobe somewhere between 6-10. I have Lebron ranked somewhere between 1-3. |
Oh, it's not even an argument for most people. They're generally not seen as being on the same level.
It's 50/50 for most NBA fans whether Kobe is in the top 10 or not.
Mainly due to advanced stats, some people even have him way outside of that. Like, not even top 20.
I personally agree with the ranges you have for both players. |
Perfect example of that rhetoric and verbiage where one person attempts to speak for the masses or the majority…. Add some hyperbole on top. “Not even Top 20”
What a joke… |
Have you gone to r/NBA or RealGM?
I didn't say the majority said that. But there is a notable number of fans that use advanced stats to argue that.
I think Win Shares is one of those stats.
The majority IS 50/50 on Kobe being top 10 though. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Batguano
Star Player
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
Posts: 2493
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Japago wrote: | | Batguano wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Most people outside of the Lakers bubble have Lebron ranked higher than Kobe. As a Lakers fan I love Kobe but I have Lebron ranked higher. I have Kobe somewhere between 6-10. I have Lebron ranked somewhere between 1-3. |
Oh, it's not even an argument for most people. They're generally not seen as being on the same level.
It's 50/50 for most NBA fans whether Kobe is in the top 10 or not.
Mainly due to advanced stats, some people even have him way outside of that. Like, not even top 20.
I personally agree with the ranges you have for both players. |
Perfect example of that rhetoric and verbiage where one person attempts to speak for the masses or the majority…. Add some hyperbole on top. “Not even Top 20”
What a joke… |
Have you gone to r/NBA or RealGM?
I didn't say the majority said that. But there is a notable number of fans that use advanced stats to argue that.
I think Win Shares is one of those stats.
The majority IS 50/50 on Kobe being top 10 though. |
NBA Reddit
The fact that you think a niche website like reddit is a reflection of what the "majority" thinks is... I don't even know what to tell you... And RealGM.
If Reddit and social media in general was some kind of consensus, a certain former president would've never won the election. Some of you really need to step outside of these bubbles and realize that there's an entire population of people on this planet that don't give a flip about the opinions held on those sites. And for you to sit here and pass it off as some kind of true measurement of what the majority of people on this planet think is just deranged.
Just stop it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
