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LakerJam
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This proposed trade is pretty bad, Eric. You literally have us trading away multiple rotation players AND a high-probability lottery pick, for a package of garbage and trade exceptions that are only big enough to add role players.
Why on earth would the Lakers give up a 1st round pick for a bunch of mediocre role players, who only set the team back further, because they would now have to start learning how to play with 2 new stars all over again?
You're trade scenarios are normally pretty interesting and sometimes down right exciting. This one is probably going to rile up some of the masses on BR in a not good way. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerJam wrote: | This proposed trade is pretty bad, Eric. You literally have us trading away multiple rotation players AND a high-probability lottery pick, for a package of garbage and trade exceptions that are only big enough to add role players.
Why on earth would the Lakers give up a 1st round pick for a bunch of mediocre role players, who only set the team back further, because they would now have to start learning how to play with 2 new stars all over again?
You're trade scenarios are normally pretty interesting and sometimes down right exciting. This one is probably going to rile up some of the masses on BR in a not good way. |
I agree with you LakerJam, when I first saw the proposal I’m like if you are gonna dump Russell you better have those exceptions used on someone really useful and Fultz isn’t a game changer especially with his injuries, Russell has a lot of value the only reason teams don’t want him is because the league is filled with quality PGs |
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| This path would only really make sense if they had a player lined up to accept into the Russell TPE, and that player wasn't going to cost them another first to acquire. Even then it's not a great idea, but without that component I agree with others that this seems quite bad. We're essentially trading a first rounder to upgrade our 9-12 depth. We're not freeing up money long-term or even really investing in younger guys long-term - Mann and Fultz would be up for new contracts next summer and Richards is not far behind. And we're also giving up one of our top 4 players currently. Imagine the type of player you'd need to get for the DLo TPE to make this trade a net upgrade, and then consider that it would probably require at least one additional pick to get a deal done involving the TPE. Seems like a gross understatement of DLo's value to this team. Understanding that he has been inconsistent in the playoffs, you're talking about replacing him with Tre Mann and Markelle Fultz, who haven't had much playoff experience. We still need to get through an 82 game season and we're not overflowing with perimeter shooting and scoring talent to just be throwing DLo away for something like this. |
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Lakers would probably do the above if they got Kessler. But understand that if you value DLo as a "better player" but he can't help you win at the level the Lakers want to win at and there's no real market for him, then you're basically buying into not winning.
And if the only path out is to give up a first to gain flexibility to make other moves, then it's give up that first with proper protection, or just accept not winning as the end result.
I can absolutely argue "don't do anything, accept the last Bron years like the Kobe end years and don't play to win, save your picks" POV - but I don't think that's where the actual Lakers are.
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| emplay wrote: | Lakers would probably do the above if they got Kessler. But understand that if you value DLo as a "better player" but he can't help you win at the level the Lakers want to win at and there's no real market for him, then you're basically buying into not winning.
And if the only path out is to give up a first to gain flexibility to make other moves, then it's give up that first with proper protection, or just accept not winning as the end result.
I can absolutely argue "don't do anything, accept the last Bron years like the Kobe end years and don't play to win, save your picks" POV - but I don't think that's where the actual Lakers are. |
How does this deal Impact the 2nd apron because cap expert Vasashi17 posted on this today regarding your trade proposal |
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| LakerJam wrote: | This proposed trade is pretty bad, Eric. You literally have us trading away multiple rotation players AND a high-probability lottery pick, for a package of garbage and trade exceptions that are only big enough to add role players.
Why on earth would the Lakers give up a 1st round pick for a bunch of mediocre role players, who only set the team back further, because they would now have to start learning how to play with 2 new stars all over again?
You're trade scenarios are normally pretty interesting and sometimes down right exciting. This one is probably going to rile up some of the masses on BR in a not good way. |
It's just clickbait/fan fiction. None of these trades ever come to fruition.
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Nuggets just lost KCP for Westbrook. Maybe D'Lo won't have to play his kryptonite team in the playoffs anymore, or even if we do meet up with them, they are NOT going to be as good. I honestly don't understand the media's panic over D'Lo. Without him, we don't even make the play-ins. Perhaps Rob is more level headed than we give him credit for. He ain't trading D'Lo for the sake of trading D'Lo.
What happened to all that continuity love fest? D'lo ain't the problem. We lead the Nuggets 75% of the series, and we had a Ham for a coach. I want to give D'Lo one more shot in the playoffs. That would be better than some of the deals I'm seeing. |
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| emplay wrote: | Lakers would probably do the above if they got Kessler. But understand that if you value DLo as a "better player" but he can't help you win at the level the Lakers want to win at and there's no real market for him, then you're basically buying into not winning.
And if the only path out is to give up a first to gain flexibility to make other moves, then it's give up that first with proper protection, or just accept not winning as the end result.
I can absolutely argue "don't do anything, accept the last Bron years like the Kobe end years and don't play to win, save your picks" POV - but I don't think that's where the actual Lakers are. |
“he can't help you win at the level the Lakers want to win at and there's no real market for him, then you're basically buying into not winning.”
I think I understand why many people would take that stance. Is it possible to understand why some would disagree? We’re all speculating by trying to project the future and none of us know for sure…either could be right or wrong…but imo the team looked promising enough last season such that I’d only want to make a trade for a clear upgrade.
If there were no indications of potential then dumping players would be a more acceptable option, but this team did show potential. In fact, they performed in a such a way that it can be reasonably conceived that with better coaching and better injury luck…this isn’t a given to be taken for granted, we may not get either one…the team could win. Wood/Hayes have reasonable potential to improve production during non-AD minutes and improve rebounding, also Vincent/MaxC/CamRed/Vando look like they could improve perimeter defense. The combo of Vando/MaxC could help with wing defense as well.
We’re not “buying in to not winning” or assuming “he can’t help you win at the level”. We believe the TEAM can win with the proper upgrade and thus are unwilling to regress by downgrading the roster in a dump.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerJam wrote: | This proposed trade is pretty bad, Eric. You literally have us trading away multiple rotation players AND a high-probability lottery pick, for a package of garbage and trade exceptions that are only big enough to add role players.
Why on earth would the Lakers give up a 1st round pick for a bunch of mediocre role players, who only set the team back further, because they would now have to start learning how to play with 2 new stars all over again?
You're trade scenarios are normally pretty interesting and sometimes down right exciting. This one is probably going to rile up some of the masses on BR in a not good way. |
I agree with you LakerJam, |
Welp. I guess it’s a great trade then.
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In a vacuum, it is a "No Brainer" to pass
This trade would prompt additional trades to get another guard or backup guard since Vincent can be a starting guard. It would also prompt to obtain another legitimate Big to add depth and size
Who wants Marques Faulz (???)?
Flexability (financially) by sacrificing size/length and shooting |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | emplay wrote: | Lakers would probably do the above if they got Kessler. But understand that if you value DLo as a "better player" but he can't help you win at the level the Lakers want to win at and there's no real market for him, then you're basically buying into not winning.
And if the only path out is to give up a first to gain flexibility to make other moves, then it's give up that first with proper protection, or just accept not winning as the end result.
I can absolutely argue "don't do anything, accept the last Bron years like the Kobe end years and don't play to win, save your picks" POV - but I don't think that's where the actual Lakers are. |
“he can't help you win at the level the Lakers want to win at and there's no real market for him, then you're basically buying into not winning.”
I think I understand why many people would take that stance. Is it possible to understand why some would disagree? We’re all speculating by trying to project the future and none of us know for sure…either could be right or wrong…but imo the team looked promising enough last season such that I’d only want to make a trade for a clear upgrade.
If there were no indications of potential then dumping players would be a more acceptable option, but this team did show potential. In fact, they performed in a such a way that it can be reasonably conceived that with better coaching and better injury luck…this isn’t a given to be taken for granted, we may not get either one…the team could win. Wood/Hayes have reasonable potential to improve production during non-AD minutes and improve rebounding, also Vincent/MaxC/CamRed/Vando look like they could improve perimeter defense. The combo of Vando/MaxC could help with wing defense as well.
We’re not “buying in to not winning” or assuming “he can’t help you win at the level”. We believe the TEAM can win with the proper upgrade and thus are unwilling to regress by downgrading the roster in a dump. |
Yeah, i'm all for trading DLo and also believe he'll never be consistent in the Playoffs especially against the elite defensive teams but he's also under an extremely fair deal which wasn't as much the case before we re-signed him. He now also has an ex shooter as his Head Coach so i'm really hoping once again he proves me wrong and JJ helps put him in the right spots to succeed which i'd be as happy as anyone to see and would be doing ice in my vein dances on my couch all Playoffs.
Most importantly though, it's not like either of these guys have lit it up in the Playoffs (Mann has had a couple terrific games but so has DLo if we want to just pick and choose and Fultz is a hard pass at anything involving DLo or a draft pick especially). I'd happily bet on DLo 10/10 times finally proving himself in the Playoffs over taking this trash.
Also, like others have said those trade exceptions are worthless if you can't find another team willing to give you something of quality for literally free so these would cost additional picks as well unless you're looking to just strictly bolster the end of the bench which is about all this would do while putting that much more strain on Bron and AD to do all the heavy lifting. |
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This is a terrible trade idea.
People have already said why, I don't want to repeat the same things that have been said. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2024 11:57 am Post subject: |
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I could see the Lakers stand as they are. They'd have to convince us
this team is a contender but mortgaging the depth or the future should
not be on the table. For starters, it's a long long season, let's see IF the
injuries pile up or not.
I do think guys like Lewis, JHS and even Cam could be traded with little
effect (if Jarred is really healthy). But if that brings you another iffy
player, why do it?
As things stand, I much prefer DLO to Gabe, because we know DLO
can really help take us to the off season. Does he choke later, maybe,
but you do have to get there. Also, everyone is betting on the Gabe from
a couple of seasons ago, but is that even there?; I have no idea....
We're closing in on season's day one.
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| Trade ideas don't deserve sticky status. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2024 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| emplay wrote: | Lakers would probably do the above if they got Kessler. But understand that if you value DLo as a "better player" but he can't help you win at the level the Lakers want to win at and there's no real market for him, then you're basically buying into not winning.
And if the only path out is to give up a first to gain flexibility to make other moves, then it's give up that first with proper protection, or just accept not winning as the end result.
I can absolutely argue "don't do anything, accept the last Bron years like the Kobe end years and don't play to win, save your picks" POV - but I don't think that's where the actual Lakers are. |
The Lakers would be valuing D'Lo as a #3. Did Dirk Nowitzki not show enough signs of being a weak soft choker with epic playoff fails who couldn't lead a team to a ring from 1998-2010? I guess Dallas holding onto him as their #1 entering the 2010-2011 season was the Mavericks way of "not buying into winning."
I called D'Lo a weak playoff performer long before it became in vogue to do so (same with Jayson Tatum) - proof is in these forums - but now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction when it comes to D'Lo to overlook the moments where he has shown real character and where you can really see how it could work for him in the playoffs with more and more experience. Is he fully there yet? Probably not - eating and not paying attention to the huddle during Game 3 where he put up a 0 is not the sign of a fully mature playoff player. But he has shown the ability to execute in tight moments of playoff games when the momentum is not with the Lakers.
Lets put it this way: we just saw the Celtics win a title with Tatum as a #1 where he, as I expected knowing him as the weak mental shrimp I always knew him for, didnt play anything like a superstar #1 to the point he couldnt win finals MVP when Jaylen Brown wasnt exactly scorching the nets in the finals as well and the Celtics won quite easily. Build enough cohesion and peak at the right moment with the right trade and I could definitely see the Lakers winning with D'Lo as a #3 option. I actually trust D'Lo as a third option more than Tatum as a #1 option and yet the Celtics were able to win because of the talent around him in spite of Tatum's soft choking ass. |
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I have to say emplay, I actually like the trade. Nick Richards is potentially the type of player that we've needed the most over the past three seasons: a back up center with legit size (7'0", 245 lbs.) and defensive upside.
We can't afford a proven, expensive big man for the role, so taking a chance on someone like this while Lebron and AD are still elite is what you have to do.
Here he is last season vs. the Joker, snagging 15 boards and protecting the rim with three blocks.
The guard in the deal is decent, but in a league that's getting bigger and stronger ever since we won doing the same in 2020, shoring up the front court is priority #1. Yes, losing the pieces in this deal, including the 2031 pick, is worth it to try our best to win NOW.
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I'm not on board with shipping out DLo for anyone but a starting Center. DLo gives us something we absolutely need; a respectable 3pt shooter.
DLo is not our problem. Our problem is (1) the team management and (2) our coaching. I can only hope that coaching is better and pray that management makes some better decisions.
Lakers are not a bad team. A half decent coach has us winning about 5 more games last year.
With health, our record should be better. Gotta hope avoid those 2-10ish losing slumps. that will put. you right into the play-ins or missing them completely. |
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Thanks for the proposal
Just like the rampant trade rumors about Grant, it does not “Move the Needle” and it is trading just to be trading
Now is the worst time to trade because the media pundits says “He Must” - lol
Flexibility + Fultz is telling LBJ/AD that they have given up on this season
Trading for Grant will eliminate all financial flexibility who is injury prone, whose production is very similar to a younger Rui and will force Rob to trade for the league minimum for needed depth on a team that is not among the WC’s top contenders
There are much bigger dishes that will be available |
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