Is there a visible difference on offensive set compare to last year?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:47 am    Post subject: Is there a visible difference on offensive set compare to last year?

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 6:09 am    Post subject:

a few videos by Goldenthroat





I like these plays, I just don't know if it is different from last year, but it seems like more movement and more playcalling.

Below is another video

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:58 am    Post subject:

Thanks for posting lar!

Def more movement, cutting, screens and treys.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:11 am    Post subject:

Won't know until about mid season
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:52 am    Post subject:

The usual Lakers podcasters (Lock On Lakers, Buha, Irwin, etc) all say there is a huge difference.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:13 pm    Post subject:

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Won't know until about mid season


Sounds about right, it'll take about that long for the players to experience, adapt and to buy into JJR. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:58 pm    Post subject:

Another thing they talked about is using AD as an offensive hub.

I did notice that (as him having the ball at the high post) and running screens or like plays. One involved Vincent setting a screen for LBJ and lead to an easy layup.

It seem to be very effective and can take pressure off LBJ.

But as the above posters said, it won't see till some time how effective it will be.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:44 am    Post subject:

This should be very effective, but that's a lot of running around for LBJ and AD. Can they marathon every game?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 12:37 pm    Post subject:

lar9149 wrote:
a few videos by Goldenthroat





I like these plays, I just don't know if it is different from last year, but it seems like more movement and more playcalling.

Below is another video

Thanks for GT's excellent videos

We have seen talented teams with superstars (i.e. Suns, Mavs, etc.) look dysfunctional despite having HOFers on the court.

Teams like the Spurs and Dubs that run very disciplined offensive schemes that make HOFers (Parker/TD/Manu to Steph/KD/Klay) shine. With the Lakers (outside of LBJ/AD) not having HOFers on the court, those players that are detailed oriented and know the offensive schemes (w/its various counters) will thrive.

Already seeing Knecht, AR and Vincent embracing the details with Rui to DLo still learning how to maximize every possession.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:14 pm    Post subject:

lar9149 wrote:
a few videos by Goldenthroat





I like these plays, I just don't know if it is different from last year, but it seems like more movement and more playcalling.

Below is another video



Indeed, and his videos and breakdowns will all be posted here.

https://www.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=195118&start=50
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 4:09 pm    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
Def more movement, cutting, screens and treys.

Like, like — a System!? *gasp*
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 4:32 pm    Post subject:

Here's some more videos about JJ's system




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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:30 pm    Post subject:

Different system but same crappy defense and same crappy players. Unless we get better players besides Lebron and AD, results will be the same as last year. Fringe playoff team first round fodder.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:24 am    Post subject:

Some more videos on the Offense



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:38 am    Post subject:

No question there is more ball movement. It is still very early. It seems JJ wants these guys to take more 3's (including AD). TBH, I would feel a little better if there was more movement underneath because we really do not have the outside shooting to survive this system. It will be critical to outscore teams from the fast break and free throws.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:20 am    Post subject:



Video on how Ham refused to play the common sense lineup last season. Hearing everything laid out back to back to back infuriated me. I had honestly forgotten (or just wiped it from my mind due to trauma) some of the abominations he put out there. Cam, TP, Rui, AD, and LBJ was one of the lineups he tried before doing the obvious thing. Jesus. Lakers had to sprint the last third of the season to dig themselves out of the hole Ham dug for us. I remember almost giving up on the playoffs when we blew the game against the Rockets, I think without Sengun? And once he did the obvious thing, shocker, the Lakers did extremely well.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:53 am    Post subject:

I think their D in the last game was pretty decent, especially for the first game, and with who we have....D lo was at least scrapping, same with AR, Rui....we need more from Gabe, and hopefully Vando can come back soon and back to form soon after that.....and Koloko even as another big body may also help if is he is capable to get on the court and not completely rusty......I think it's a little early to judge how good this D will or will not be
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:18 am    Post subject:

Last year 0-1

This year 1-0

mad difference
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:24 am    Post subject:

I care more about what the players look like in the scheme of the game vs the plays.

So far what I’ve seen is that Redick just knows not to Ham himself. He rode his starters in game 1. 35 minutes almost for each of AD/Bron/Rui/DLO/Reaves.

We’re basically the same team IMO. I think we can win about 45-50 games depending on factors such as health and how dedicated we remain to defense.

For spec the plays one change I saw was more Reaves handling the ball. We’re also actively trying to shoot more 3s. We are running more sets and less free/non play calling style sets. I’m not a fan of the high volume 3s when we don’t have the talent for it. We lack the lasers other teams possess.

It’s basic basketball. I don’t expect Redick to do wonders but he should be able to get this team to play .600 ball. Thats the only expectation I have of the team at the moment. .600 level ball.

One concern? West seems deep. A lot of .500-.600 level teams. Could be up to 12 teams this year that win 41 games or more. Not sure we can afford a slump month or so like we had last year.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:49 pm    Post subject:

Here's another breakdown of the offense and the sets JJ ran when Minnesota changed their lineups.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 4:45 am    Post subject:

Yes, there is one...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:28 am    Post subject:

It may be just me, but it appears that JJ understands he needs to win early in the season unlike Ham head. I think he realizes how important it is to get off to a good start and not get in a hole. I doubt he will do the BS tinkering that Ham constantly did.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:18 am    Post subject:

The obvious? AD touched the ball in the 4th, a lot, like focal point on offense a lot, no LeBron iso (except for the 3 mins Bronny photo op)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:22 am    Post subject:

We crashed the boards. I'll check in after tonight's game.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:45 am    Post subject:

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It may be just me, but it appears that JJ understands he needs to win early in the season unlike Ham head. I think he realizes how important it is to get off to a good start and not get in a hole. I doubt he will do the BS tinkering that Ham constantly did.


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