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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:30 am    Post subject:

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Gosh I cant think of a bigger Dodger prospect bust compared to his hype in the past decade than Cartaya. This dude literally became a worse version of Jesus Montero.


Billy Ashley comes to mind


Greg Brock also comes to mind. Since he did hit 20 HR's a couple of times, not quite the bust, but he was a big disappointment to me.
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Gosh I cant think of a bigger Dodger prospect bust compared to his hype in the past decade than Cartaya. This dude literally became a worse version of Jesus Montero.


Billy Ashley comes to mind


Greg Brock also comes to mind. Since he did hit 20 HR's a couple of times, not quite the bust, but he was a big disappointment to me.


I remember seeing Greg Brock hit a sky-high infield popup, but he just sat there and watched the ball from the batters box. The infielder ends up dropping the popup, and then throws out Greg, who never bothered to run. He got roundly BOOED by the Dodger home crowd.
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The Seattle Mariners are reportedly going all-out to try to sign Japanese pitching phenom Roki Sasaki, enlisting the help of franchise legend Ichiro Suzuki.


Are we in trouble? Ichiro is like god to all the baseball players in Japan.
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Gosh I cant think of a bigger Dodger prospect bust compared to his hype in the past decade than Cartaya. This dude literally became a worse version of Jesus Montero.


Billy Ashley comes to mind


Greg Brock also comes to mind. Since he did hit 20 HR's a couple of times, not quite the bust, but he was a big disappointment to me.

I lost a lot of credibility in junior high as the conductor of the Greg Brock hype train.
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The Seattle Mariners are reportedly going all-out to try to sign Japanese pitching phenom Roki Sasaki, enlisting the help of franchise legend Ichiro Suzuki.


Are we in trouble? Ichiro is like god to all the baseball players in Japan.


That’s a very poorly run organization right now. I’m guessing winning is super important to these elite players coming over.

They’ve seen the excitement winning in the playoffs and WBC brings to Japan. They want to be a part of that.
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The Seattle Mariners are reportedly going all-out to try to sign Japanese pitching phenom Roki Sasaki, enlisting the help of franchise legend Ichiro Suzuki.


Are we in trouble? Ichiro is like god to all the baseball players in Japan.


That’s a very poorly run organization right now. I’m guessing winning is super important to these elite players coming over.

They’ve seen the excitement winning in the playoffs and WBC brings to Japan. They want to be a part of that.


It's true they are. But Ichiro became who he was through the Mariners and I just thought maybe that might add value to Sasaki because after all he is still young and has a lot to learn. Not to mention a long career ahead of him. More than Darvish being a threat to Sasaki's decision, I feel that Ichiro is a bigger threat.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:11 am    Post subject:

Seriously you can count on one hand the number of times the Mariners have had a good offensive season since they moved to Safeco Field. What happened to Adrian Beltre/Richie Sexson is a good representation of what happens to hitters when they are forced to play there. Hell, it bothered Teo tremendously too and its not like Dodger Stadium is some hitting haven.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:14 am    Post subject:

Mariachi Joe is letting his intentions clear. For a guy we can pick up on the cheap with some upside, Mariachi Joe is a good option to have.

https://dodgersnation.com/joe-kelly-makes-intentions-clear-about-potential-return-to-dodgers-in-free-agency/2025/01/10/
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:14 am    Post subject:

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Seriously you can count on one hand the number of times the Mariners have had a good offensive season since they moved to Safeco Field. What happened to Adrian Beltre/Richie Sexson is a good representation of what happens to hitters when they are forced to play there. Hell, it bothered Teo tremendously too and it's not like Dodger Stadium is some hitting haven.


This makes it better for Sasaki. If hitters are having trouble there then it's good for a pitcher right?

Just looked up the stats by park. T-Mobile has the most strike outs and the least amount of hits. If Sasaki wants to chase stats then this place would be perfect for him.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:19 am    Post subject:

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Seriously you can count on one hand the number of times the Mariners have had a good offensive season since they moved to Safeco Field. What happened to Adrian Beltre/Richie Sexson is a good representation of what happens to hitters when they are forced to play there. Hell, it bothered Teo tremendously too and it's not like Dodger Stadium is some hitting haven.


This makes it better for Sasaki. If hitters are having trouble there then it's good for a pitcher right?


Not necessarily though right because you may pitch well but whats the point when you are getting little to no run support. All in all, Mariners have been poorly run as an organization and is the reason Ichiro actually got traded. Plus its not like bad ballparks preclude you from putting together good hitting lineups. For example, the 1995 Indians played in Jacobs Field which was more favorable for pitchers and 7 out of their 9 regulars still batted over 0.300. Dodger stadium has always been favorable for pitchers or at worst neutral and yet our hitters put up an OPS+ of 121 last year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:23 am    Post subject:

^^^Got it. Makes sense. I know we are still the favorites but Seattle keeps coming up in the Sasaki conversations and it's making me nervous.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:26 am    Post subject:

Like you have to strain to think of any Mariners players since the 90s/00s with Randy Johnson, Griffey Jr, ARod, Buhner and those guys. Its Ichiro, King Felix, Julio and a bunch of "meh" dudes in the past 20 years or so.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:31 am    Post subject:

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Like you have to strain to think of any Mariners players since the 90s/00s with Randy Johnson, Griffey Jr, ARod, Buhner and those guys. It's Ichiro, King Felix, Julio and a bunch of "meh" dudes in the past 20 years or so.


I remember those days. I was actually living near Bellvue, WA in 95 working at a cleaners. That was the refuse to lose year. The owner of the Mariners was a customer of our cleaners. I remember the wife bringing in her husband's suit drenched with champagne. I was like WTF happened and that's when she told me her husband was the owner of the Mariners.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:34 am    Post subject:

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Gosh I cant think of a bigger Dodger prospect bust compared to his hype in the past decade than Cartaya. This dude literally became a worse version of Jesus Montero.


Billy Ashley comes to mind


Greg Brock also comes to mind. Since he did hit 20 HR's a couple of times, not quite the bust, but he was a big disappointment to me.


Ashley and Brock both at least absolutely destroyed/clobbered AAA pitching. I remember Ashley was the only guy anybody compared with Piazza at the time within the Dodger organization and you could easily argue in terms of just pull power, Ashley even had Piazza beat. Piazza of course being one of the greatest opposite field homerun hitters of all time.

Cartaya guys cant even hit Double A pitching. This dude was hyped as the next great hitting catcher and cant outhit "Sam" Barnes.
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Like you have to strain to think of any Mariners players since the 90s/00s with Randy Johnson, Griffey Jr, ARod, Buhner and those guys. It's Ichiro, King Felix, Julio and a bunch of "meh" dudes in the past 20 years or so.


I remember those days. I was actually living near Bellvue, WA in 95 working at a cleaners. That was the refuse to lose year. The owner of the Mariners was a customer of our cleaners. I remember the wife bringing in her husband's suit drenched with champagne. I was like WTF happened and that's when she told me her husband was the owner of the Mariners.


Dude 1995 was a fun year for baseball cause of that race between the Angels and Mariners. Wow owner of the Mariners.....Randy was absolutely sick that year. He played his home games at the Kingdome - which was a hitters park. Could you imagine had Randy played for the Dodgers in the National League with no DH? Randy would have battled Maddux for the ERA crown of mid 1's ERA.

Of course there was the Dodgers vs Rockies race. Which is actually really funny because back then the Dodgers were known to have the "Great pitching with the low ERA" and Rockies the "Great hitting with guys like Bichette, Galarraga, Castilla etc". When you actually account for ballparks, it was actually the Rockies with the better pitching and Dodgers with the better hitting.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:55 am    Post subject:

^^^Might have been fun year for baseball but not too fun for me. Whole reason I was living up there was to run away from problems down here. Was a good experience though.

I just remember Randy Johnson dealing. Also I didn't even know who was on the Dodgers that year. The players I remember from that year are Edgar Martinez, Griffey Jr, Arod and Jay Buhner.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:08 pm    Post subject:

aprevo15 wrote:
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The Seattle Mariners are reportedly going all-out to try to sign Japanese pitching phenom Roki Sasaki, enlisting the help of franchise legend Ichiro Suzuki.


Are we in trouble? Ichiro is like god to all the baseball players in Japan.


That’s a very poorly run organization right now. I’m guessing winning is super important to these elite players coming over.

They’ve seen the excitement winning in the playoffs and WBC brings to Japan. They want to be a part of that.


It's true they are. But Ichiro became who he was through the Mariners and I just thought maybe that might add value to Sasaki because after all he is still young and has a lot to learn. Not to mention a long career ahead of him. More than Darvish being a threat to Sasaki's decision, I feel that Ichiro is a bigger threat.


Hopefully someone reminds Sasaki that Ichiro never played in a World Series and was thrilled when he got traded from the Mariners to the Yankees because it gave him a chance to win a ring.

Ichiro played 13 seasons in Seattle and made the playoffs once as a Mariner. Zero postseason appearances in Seattle 12 years in a row there. So basically he was another Mike Trout. Or Ohtani when he was an Angel.

Does Sasaki want to be like Ohtani on the Angels or Ohtani on the Dodgers?
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The Seattle Mariners are reportedly going all-out to try to sign Japanese pitching phenom Roki Sasaki, enlisting the help of franchise legend Ichiro Suzuki.


Are we in trouble? Ichiro is like god to all the baseball players in Japan.


That’s a very poorly run organization right now. I’m guessing winning is super important to these elite players coming over.

They’ve seen the excitement winning in the playoffs and WBC brings to Japan. They want to be a part of that.


It's true they are. But Ichiro became who he was through the Mariners and I just thought maybe that might add value to Sasaki because after all he is still young and has a lot to learn. Not to mention a long career ahead of him. More than Darvish being a threat to Sasaki's decision, I feel that Ichiro is a bigger threat.


Hopefully someone reminds Sasaki that Ichiro never played in a World Series and was thrilled when he got traded from the Mariners to the Yankees because it gave him a chance to win a ring.

Ichiro played 13 seasons in Seattle and made the playoffs once as a Mariner. Zero postseason appearances in Seattle 12 years in a row there. So basically he was another Mike Trout. Or Ohtani when he was an Angel.

Does Sasaki want to be like Ohtani on the Angels or Ohtani on the Dodgers?


I didn't know he was thrilled when he was traded. I wonder why he would even consider recruiting Sasaki to the Mariners. It just sounds wrong. Maybe he doesn't like to see his fellow countrymen have the success. It seems like him and Ohtani aren't that close either.
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The Mariners also don't really have a spot in their rotation for him either.
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The Mariners also don't really have a spot in their rotation for him either.


I wouldn't consider that a factor. They'd be able to trade Luis Castillo, their priciest starter, pretty easily if they wanted to. Or, hell, they could decide to flip one of their young starters for a bat. I recall that George Kirby had some "disagreements" with the organization, let's just say, in the past.
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The Mariners also don't really have a spot in their rotation for him either.


I wouldn't consider that a factor. They'd be able to trade Luis Castillo, their priciest starter, pretty easily if they wanted to. Or, hell, they could decide to flip one of their young starters for a bat. I recall that George Kirby had some "disagreements" with the organization, let's just say, in the past.


This is true. The current Mariners rotation was also the only bright spot in their entire organization. As 95 said, their bats completely suck.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to go to an org where they play with inept offenses, in a division with the Astros and Rangers where they're the 3rd-best team at best, but who knows
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The Mariners also don't really have a spot in their rotation for him either.


I wouldn't consider that a factor. They'd be able to trade Luis Castillo, their priciest starter, pretty easily if they wanted to. Or, hell, they could decide to flip one of their young starters for a bat. I recall that George Kirby had some "disagreements" with the organization, let's just say, in the past.


This is true. The current Mariners rotation was also the only bright spot in their entire organization. As 95 said, their bats completely suck.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to go to an org where they play with inept offenses, in a division with the Astros and Rangers where they're the 3rd-best team at best, but who knows


They need to move the fences in. So many good hitters, power hitters especially, have gone there to die. Adrian Beltre, Teo, and even Arozarena last year are examples, though Arozarena was also struggling in Tampa last year before the trade. The Mets moved the fences in at Citi Field a while back. I think the Orioles did the same. It's long past time for Seattle to do it.
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aprevo15 wrote:
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The Seattle Mariners are reportedly going all-out to try to sign Japanese pitching phenom Roki Sasaki, enlisting the help of franchise legend Ichiro Suzuki.


Are we in trouble? Ichiro is like god to all the baseball players in Japan.


That’s a very poorly run organization right now. I’m guessing winning is super important to these elite players coming over.

They’ve seen the excitement winning in the playoffs and WBC brings to Japan. They want to be a part of that.


It's true they are. But Ichiro became who he was through the Mariners and I just thought maybe that might add value to Sasaki because after all he is still young and has a lot to learn. Not to mention a long career ahead of him. More than Darvish being a threat to Sasaki's decision, I feel that Ichiro is a bigger threat.


Hopefully someone reminds Sasaki that Ichiro never played in a World Series and was thrilled when he got traded from the Mariners to the Yankees because it gave him a chance to win a ring.

Ichiro played 13 seasons in Seattle and made the playoffs once as a Mariner. Zero postseason appearances in Seattle 12 years in a row there. So basically he was another Mike Trout. Or Ohtani when he was an Angel.

Does Sasaki want to be like Ohtani on the Angels or Ohtani on the Dodgers?


I didn't know he was thrilled when he was traded. I wonder why he would even consider recruiting Sasaki to the Mariners. It just sounds wrong. Maybe he doesn't like to see his fellow countrymen have the success. It seems like him and Ohtani aren't that close either.


He said he was going from the team with the most losses to the team with the most wins so he couldn’t contain his excitement. To be fair he did say it gave him some sadness to leave too. I think he really liked playing in Seattle as he did go back there later. He said the team had a lot of young players when he was traded to the Yankees so it was best for the team and for him to go in different directions at the time.

If he liked playing in Seattle, was close to the end of his career and had a chance to chase a ring with the Yankees, it makes sense to want to play in New York for a short time.
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^^^Got it. Makes sense. I know we are still the favorites but Seattle keeps coming up in the Sasaki conversations and it's making me nervous.


I'm on board with LBP. It's all just a smokescreen. Can't make it too obvious since Manfred is on the trail.
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aprevo15 wrote:
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The Seattle Mariners are reportedly going all-out to try to sign Japanese pitching phenom Roki Sasaki, enlisting the help of franchise legend Ichiro Suzuki.


Are we in trouble? Ichiro is like god to all the baseball players in Japan.


That’s a very poorly run organization right now. I’m guessing winning is super important to these elite players coming over.

They’ve seen the excitement winning in the playoffs and WBC brings to Japan. They want to be a part of that.


It's true they are. But Ichiro became who he was through the Mariners and I just thought maybe that might add value to Sasaki because after all he is still young and has a lot to learn. Not to mention a long career ahead of him. More than Darvish being a threat to Sasaki's decision, I feel that Ichiro is a bigger threat.


Hopefully someone reminds Sasaki that Ichiro never played in a World Series and was thrilled when he got traded from the Mariners to the Yankees because it gave him a chance to win a ring.

Ichiro played 13 seasons in Seattle and made the playoffs once as a Mariner. Zero postseason appearances in Seattle 12 years in a row there. So basically he was another Mike Trout. Or Ohtani when he was an Angel.

Does Sasaki want to be like Ohtani on the Angels or Ohtani on the Dodgers?


I didn't know he was thrilled when he was traded. I wonder why he would even consider recruiting Sasaki to the Mariners. It just sounds wrong. Maybe he doesn't like to see his fellow countrymen have the success. It seems like him and Ohtani aren't that close either.


You're reading too much into it imo. Ichiro is just doing his job and that's to help out the team employing him.
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