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Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2024 11:16 pm Post subject: Better coach: Reddick or Ham?
29 games into the season, the Lakers are on pace for 45 wins this season compared to 47 wins last season and an in season tournament championship under Ham. Ham has also repeated as in-season tournament champion, this time as lead assistant.
Reddick overwhelmingly won this poll earlier in the season. Has your opinion changed? Was Ham just a scapegoat? Or are both coaches in fact bad? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
JJ is definitely an upgrade over Ham. Now we just need to upgrade our GM and we're goochie. _________________ JJ is the GCOAT, greatest coach of all time!
We are a bad team on both ends, so I think it’s tough to make a claim at this point that JJ is a good coach. It’s early though. Ham had more success than I think JJ is likely to have (I’m not envisioning a WCF run this year) but he wasn’t much to write home about either. Both guys are handicapped by the same awful FO, but it is interesting to see what Jamahl Mosley has done in Orlando. He lost his two best players and his sixth man and he has kept that team competitive (they beat the Celtics last night.) If we suffered similar injuries we’d roll over and quit. _________________ 14-5-3-12
JJ is definitely an upgrade over Ham. Now we just need to upgrade our GM and we're goochie.
In order to upgrade the GM you need to upgrade ownership+Rambii first.
It feels like they all go together in one big dysfunctional package. Either all go or none goes. _________________ JJ is the GCOAT, greatest coach of all time!
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Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:32 am Post subject:
Zillethai wrote:
JJ hasnt really shown anything that would make me put him over Ham.
So Ham until JJ proves otherwise.
He actually draws up plays, has a feel for the game enough to be able to call timeouts, rotations are much better than pockets, he can identify the problems and hold players accountable, holds himself accountable, much better in game adjustments.
Most of these things any competent coach is better than Ham at because Ham pretty much did none of them.
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We are a bad team on both ends, so I think it’s tough to make a claim at this point that JJ is a good coach. It’s early though. Ham had more success than I think JJ is likely to have (I’m not envisioning a WCF run this year) but he wasn’t much to write home about either. Both guys are handicapped by the same awful FO, but it is interesting to see what Jamahl Mosley has done in Orlando. He lost his two best players and his sixth man and he has kept that team competitive (they beat the Celtics last night.) If we suffered similar injuries we’d roll over and quit.
It's the character of the guys they have and their defensive effort. They beat the Celtics last night. Came back and won. Same a few games earlier.
We were like that in 2020-21. We had no AD, often no Lebron. Guys like KCP (now on Orlando), Dennis, Caruso, Kuzma etc they all gave the team that lift and energy. It was an organised system on defense. An elite system that kept you in every game.
To me that's the barrier I look for in a good coach. Does he have a system that can win you games around your superstar and also when you don't have your superstars? Ham IMO definitely did not have that. JJ I have no clue if he does, but so far it doesn't look like he does. The only coaches we've had who had truly elite systems that could win you games like this were Phil, Vogel and D'Antoni (as much as I didn't like MDA, at least he had a system that can win you a lot of games).
I feel we often overlook how important it is to have a coach who has an identity and the team matches it. To me, we made a big mistake trading all our high motor defensive guys who played off the ball on offense. We've never really recovered. The 2022 WCF run was against a young Grizzlies team that was dealing with a lot of mess off the court, the old has been Warriors that missed the playoffs the next year. Actually both teams missed the playoffs. Instead of looking for ways to improve we just rewarded all the guys that were part of that WCF run with big contracts.
Hiring an inexperienced Ham, and then an even more inexperienced JJ for a team with 2 stars like AD/Bron. I just dunno. I've just felt if you had more experience with your head coach as to what he is about, you can better roster build for his system. Even though they are having bad seasons for their respective teams, I feel a Nick Nurse or Mike Budenholzer would have been more appropriate choices for a team with AD/Bron. You know their system. You know what they want to run. You can then go and get some players that fit in. Then you also have a coach who has experience winning and running a system at a playoff championship level. To me, this was the better way to go for us.
Just too many unknowns for a very mediocre GM like Pelinka when it comes to rookie HCs like JJ/Ham.
We have gone a long time without a backup center. Koloko is good at blocking shots occasionally, but he gets lost on offense and defense. Rui is not a backup center, he's barely even a backup 4.
Wood is allegedly off life support, and Jackson has been out forever with an ankle injury. Neither of them are ideal at all, but they're better than what we've got.
Hard to win with a glaring hole like that. JJ has done well considering. I think if Pelinka and Jeanie decide to pull the trigger and improve the team that would be great. Sooner rather than later please.
JJ hasnt really shown anything that would make me put him over Ham.
So Ham until JJ proves otherwise.
He actually draws up plays, has a feel for the game enough to be able to call timeouts, rotations are much better than pockets, he can identify the problems and hold players accountable, holds himself accountable, much better in game adjustments.
Most of these things any competent coach is better than Ham at because Ham pretty much did none of them.
I dont care about any of that. Show me the results from these great rotations, and in game adjustments. Until that happens, I cant put JJ over Ham.
Joined: 12 Mar 2012 Posts: 1938 Location: San Francisco, CA
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:53 am Post subject:
Zillethai wrote:
Day wrote:
Zillethai wrote:
JJ hasnt really shown anything that would make me put him over Ham.
So Ham until JJ proves otherwise.
He actually draws up plays, has a feel for the game enough to be able to call timeouts, rotations are much better than pockets, he can identify the problems and hold players accountable, holds himself accountable, much better in game adjustments.
Most of these things any competent coach is better than Ham at because Ham pretty much did none of them.
I dont care about any of that. Show me the results from these great rotations, and in game adjustments. Until that happens, I cant put JJ over Ham.
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Either you can see him actively being a better coach in multiple areas or you can't. I guess Spo isn't a good coach because they have a bad record this year right? Lol
JJ hasnt really shown anything that would make me put him over Ham.
So Ham until JJ proves otherwise.
He actually draws up plays, has a feel for the game enough to be able to call timeouts, rotations are much better than pockets, he can identify the problems and hold players accountable, holds himself accountable, much better in game adjustments.
Most of these things any competent coach is better than Ham at because Ham pretty much did none of them.
I dont care about any of that. Show me the results from these great rotations, and in game adjustments. Until that happens, I cant put JJ over Ham.
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Either you can see him actively being a better coach in multiple areas or you can't. I guess Spo isn't a good coach because they have a bad record this year right? Lol
Spo is not a good coach this year... because of their bad record.
Joined: 12 Mar 2012 Posts: 1938 Location: San Francisco, CA
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 4:41 pm Post subject:
Zillethai wrote:
Day wrote:
Zillethai wrote:
Day wrote:
Zillethai wrote:
JJ hasnt really shown anything that would make me put him over Ham.
So Ham until JJ proves otherwise.
He actually draws up plays, has a feel for the game enough to be able to call timeouts, rotations are much better than pockets, he can identify the problems and hold players accountable, holds himself accountable, much better in game adjustments.
Most of these things any competent coach is better than Ham at because Ham pretty much did none of them.
I dont care about any of that. Show me the results from these great rotations, and in game adjustments. Until that happens, I cant put JJ over Ham.
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Either you can see him actively being a better coach in multiple areas or you can't. I guess Spo isn't a good coach because they have a bad record this year right? Lol
Spo is not a good coach this year... because of their bad record.
Let JJ have a healthy Vando/Wood and see how they would do under him, Pockets was fortunate to have them when they were at least healthy.
Ah it’s the 9th and 10th men that were healthy/in shape for a handful of games last season that really set last year’s team apart. Im guessing you think knechts impact has been zero and that Gabe’s 17 made 3s over the last 10 games (50% from 3 on 4 attempts a game) is exactly as impactful as the 3 total 3-pointers he made in 11 total games all of last season, otherwise you’d account for it.
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