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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:13 pm    Post subject:

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DFS looks way slower than I thought he would be. I can see why he’s a 4/small ball 5 these days. Nice hustle though.

He shouldn’t be guarding POA, he’s a wing defender


He's the guy you put on like PG13, Kawhi, Derozan, Brown and maybe Tatum... He ain't slowing down the top PG guards in this league tho.

DFS was better tonight offensively still + defensively.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:24 pm    Post subject:

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DFS looks way slower than I thought he would be. I can see why he’s a 4/small ball 5 these days. Nice hustle though.

He shouldn’t be guarding POA, he’s a wing defender


He's the guy you put on like PG13, Kawhi, Derozan, Brown and maybe Tatum... He ain't slowing down the top PG guards in this league tho.

DFS was better tonight offensively still + defensively.

Yeah he’s warming up. He’ll be so important when it comes to matchups vs Kawhi, JDub, Bane, MPJ, maybe Butler if he gets traded to the West

We’d probably have to put him on Luka too (with Max on Kyrie)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:36 pm    Post subject:

Warming up? He's been playing all season.

Here's the thing, DFS has been falling defensively from last season and he's not probably the kind of defender people were expecting when they were infatuated with him two seasons ago.

Here's DFS's defensive percentiles the past few seasons and this one
2021 - 86th percentile
2022 - 74th percentile
2023 - 73rd percentile
2024 - 65th percentile
2025 - 48th percentile (bad)

So no he's not 'warming up', he hasn't been the same defender he used to be this season thus far.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:38 pm    Post subject:

He’s essentially a more rich version of Cam Reddish, the difference is that he can score more frequently, he’s a solid Impact player, Mavs fans were begging for the Mavs FO to go after him
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:40 pm    Post subject:

Here's the thing, DFS has been falling defensively from last season and he's not probably the kind of defender people were expecting when they were infatuated with him two seasons ago.

Here's DFS's defensive percentiles the past few seasons and this one
2021 - 86th percentile
2022 - 74th percentile
2023 - 73rd percentile
2024 - 65th percentile
2025 - 48th percentile

So no he's not 'warming up', he hasn't been the same defender he used to be this season thus far and has actually been below average. Which isn't good if you got him for his defense. And he's 32, he's not getting younger or quicker or faster.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:41 pm    Post subject:

Hes actually much more KCP than MaxC. Well, KCP without the bounce or the pullup middy
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:42 pm    Post subject:

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Dorian Finney-Smith on his role with the Lakers and how it has changed since Brooklyn:

"You kind of know what you're getting with me... Ain't much changed for me."
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:44 pm    Post subject:

And he spaces the floor. I like Cam. But he hasn't been able to knock down anything after his hot start. He shot 9.5% from three last month. He's shown some nice passing though, recently. But his offense is pretty poor.

DFS isn't going to create much offense, but he will space the floor.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:44 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Warming up? He's been playing all season.

Here's the thing, DFS has been falling defensively from last season and he's not probably the kind of defender people were expecting when they were infatuated with him two seasons ago.

Here's DFS's defensive percentiles the past few seasons and this one
2021 - 86th percentile
2022 - 74th percentile
2023 - 73rd percentile
2024 - 65th percentile
2025 - 48th percentile (bad)

So no he's not 'warming up', he hasn't been the same defender he used to be this season thus far.

I think you’ve gotta stop looking at percentiles as the be-all-and-end-all

Our defense clearly looks better to me when he’s on the court, has very good switch-ability between the 2 and 5 and is strong. Much more a positive than DLo was on that end

When I said ‘warming up’, I more meant offensively, got involved a bit more in the offense this game
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:44 pm    Post subject:

Inverse wrote:
Hes actually much more KCP than MaxC. Well, KCP without the bounce or the pullup middy


KCP can score 20-25 points any time he wants, I don’t think DFS has that in him unless he’s just hot in that game
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:45 pm    Post subject:

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Hes actually much more KCP than MaxC. Well, KCP without the bounce or the pullup middy

DG without the floaters
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:57 pm    Post subject:

Watching his postgame presser just noticing that he’s a really intelligent hooper.

His attention to detail on different defensive coverages and him acknowledging AD’s defensive dominance and range.
Saying he’s never played with a center who doesn’t mind switching and guarding other teams primary ball handlers.


TBH I’m getting a lot of Rondo vibes with Dorian. Really high basketball IQ.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 11:03 pm    Post subject:

Looking forward to his match-up with Dillon Brooks...

I think that game going to get cheapy and very physical. Specially after how the last game went down with Udoka.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 11:10 pm    Post subject:

I think we are still in the "work in progress" with DFS fitting in and building chemistry with his new teammates. Looking forward to more lock-down defense and efficient shooting.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 11:15 pm    Post subject:

I have never paid attention to his game until he came here, and I have to say I really like it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 11:32 pm    Post subject:

Was happy about the two made threes.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:03 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Here's the thing, DFS has been falling defensively from last season and he's not probably the kind of defender people were expecting when they were infatuated with him two seasons ago.

Here's DFS's defensive percentiles the past few seasons and this one
2021 - 86th percentile
2022 - 74th percentile
2023 - 73rd percentile
2024 - 65th percentile
2025 - 48th percentile

So no he's not 'warming up', he hasn't been the same defender he used to be this season thus far and has actually been below average. Which isn't good if you got him for his defense. And he's 32, he's not getting younger or quicker or faster.

On the season, DFS is second on the team to AD in overall EPM. He's on par with Kyrie and higher than a bunch of other notable players. He's clearly an impactful player, in large part due to his defense.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:12 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Here's the thing, DFS has been falling defensively from last season and he's not probably the kind of defender people were expecting when they were infatuated with him two seasons ago.

Here's DFS's defensive percentiles the past few seasons and this one
2021 - 86th percentile
2022 - 74th percentile
2023 - 73rd percentile
2024 - 65th percentile
2025 - 48th percentile

So no he's not 'warming up', he hasn't been the same defender he used to be this season thus far and has actually been below average. Which isn't good if you got him for his defense. And he's 32, he's not getting younger or quicker or faster.


Wouldnt these percentiles change hypothetically on a better defensive team?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 2:36 am    Post subject:

I'll admit I was not thrilled getting him. Finney-Smith was huge last night and gave us exactly what we needed on both sides of the court.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 2:42 am    Post subject:

1995Lakers wrote:
MJST wrote:
Here's the thing, DFS has been falling defensively from last season and he's not probably the kind of defender people were expecting when they were infatuated with him two seasons ago.

Here's DFS's defensive percentiles the past few seasons and this one
2021 - 86th percentile
2022 - 74th percentile
2023 - 73rd percentile
2024 - 65th percentile
2025 - 48th percentile

So no he's not 'warming up', he hasn't been the same defender he used to be this season thus far and has actually been below average. Which isn't good if you got him for his defense. And he's 32, he's not getting younger or quicker or faster.


Wouldnt these percentiles change hypothetically on a better defensive team?

It could, not clear how these percentiles are computed but theoretically having AD behind him allows DFS to play in certain ways which might let him be more effective. e.g. if he was constantly getting beat by step back 3s because he sagged off of players because he didn't trust Claxton's rim protection, but now with AD he can play more aggressively.

Or, if he's on a team that uses him more optimally defensively. e.g. if he's best guarding wings, then playing on a team that has him guard PoA or centers less often might also up his percentiles. Ultimately that's all speculation, and it's not inconsistent with the natural interpretation to MJST's stats -- that he's a declining defensive player. Doesn't mean he can't become a better effective defender on the Lakers though
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 4:34 am    Post subject:

Hunter had multiple 20 point scoring games before this game and had a really good December scoring until tonight. DFS made it a living hell for him.

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DFS: "I'm still learning. Im still learning plays...still messing up pick-and-roll coverages a little bit."
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 4:42 am    Post subject:

JJ said he told Dorian that he had a horrible first half, wasn't focused and his defense was bad and he didn't know what that was. And that he then picked it up in the 2nd half and played better.

Former teammates that can have that kind of critique as Player and Coach.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:14 am    Post subject:

His motor and hustle are a sight for sore eyes. It seems like the team's rebounding improved markedly, but I guess it's too early to attribute that to DFS. Either way, I love the signing so far.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 7:50 am    Post subject:

He’s smart, he has the physical tools, and he has a good motor. He’s exactly what we needed but he’s not Vando. He’s not gonna lock you down and he’s not gonna be a POA defender. He’s also not gonna get targeted and when the defense is scrambling I’m cool with whoever he gets matched up with 1v1 for a possession. He makes us really versatile defensively and we play harder as a team.

I really hope Vando comes back. If he don’t come back by the deadline they should consider trading him. He’s a waste of a roster spot at this point. We need someone that can contribute.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 3:36 pm    Post subject:

Is he an enforcer?
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