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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:06 pm    Post subject:

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Gonna be 2-4 since the trade after tonight. Sigh.


They'll more than likely be 2-5 after the Miami game and with the way they've been playing I'm not even confident that they'll beat Brooklyn
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:14 pm    Post subject:

Not his fault. He's not being utilized properly.


JJ is doing a disservice.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:16 pm    Post subject:

He has not shown much in the time he's been given what should jj do differently.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:19 pm    Post subject:

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He has not shown much in the time he's been given what should jj do differently.

How many minutes did the Reaves/Max/DFS/Bron/AD lineup play tonight
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He has not shown much in the time he's been given what should jj do differently.


He's not someone that comes from the bench he's a starter and he fits exactly what this team needs on defense in the starting lineup.

Of course we are the only team dumb enough to make him come from the bench it's so predictable. Lets keep starting Rui and be dumbfounded why DFS isn't who we expected him to be.

Idiotic.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:20 pm    Post subject:

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He has not shown much in the time he's been given what should jj do differently.


He's not someone that comes from the bench he's a starter and he fits exactly what this team needs on defense in the starting lineup.

Of course we are the only team dumb enough to make him come from the bench it's so predictable. Lets keep starting Rui and be dumbfounded why DFS isn't who we expected him to be.

Idiotic.


He played decent minutes today (starter vs bench honestly shouldn't matter for a role played like him) and he was fairly ineffective on both ends of the court.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:21 pm    Post subject:

lakez34 wrote:
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lakez34 wrote:
He has not shown much in the time he's been given what should jj do differently.


He's not someone that comes from the bench he's a starter and he fits exactly what this team needs on defense in the starting lineup.

Of course we are the only team dumb enough to make him come from the bench it's so predictable. Lets keep starting Rui and be dumbfounded why DFS isn't who we expected him to be.

Idiotic.


He played decent minutes today (starter vs bench honestly shouldn't matter for a role played like him) and he was fairly ineffective on both ends of the court.



Alright dude it's whatever. Yet another dude this team destroys. And when he gets traded and delivers for another team we'll ask why he couldn't do it here.

He played 20 mins and they were all over the place. There is no point in having him out there with weird lineups.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:28 pm    Post subject:

I also think you haven't ever watched DFS playing anywhere but here. He's been a starter for most of his career but as soon as he's here it's oh he isn't good enough


(bleep) this man waste of time
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:32 pm    Post subject:

TMG wrote:
lakez34 wrote:
TMG wrote:
lakez34 wrote:
He has not shown much in the time he's been given what should jj do differently.


He's not someone that comes from the bench he's a starter and he fits exactly what this team needs on defense in the starting lineup.

Of course we are the only team dumb enough to make him come from the bench it's so predictable. Lets keep starting Rui and be dumbfounded why DFS isn't who we expected him to be.

Idiotic.


He played decent minutes today (starter vs bench honestly shouldn't matter for a role played like him) and he was fairly ineffective on both ends of the court.



Alright dude it's whatever. Yet another dude this team destroys. And when he gets traded and delivers for another team we'll ask why he couldn't do it here.

He played 20 mins and they were all over the place. There is no point in having him out there with weird lineups.

AR
Max
DFS
Lebron
AD

is the best starting lineup.


not a single minute of this combination vs spurs

AD/Bron/DFS/Max/AR
16 Mins
Off Rating : 156.3
Def Rating : 94.3
Net Rating : +62
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:34 pm    Post subject:

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He has not shown much in the time he's been given what should jj do differently.

How many minutes did the Reaves/Max/DFS/Bron/AD lineup play tonight


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:35 pm    Post subject:

leking006 wrote:
TMG wrote:
lakez34 wrote:
TMG wrote:
lakez34 wrote:
He has not shown much in the time he's been given what should jj do differently.


He's not someone that comes from the bench he's a starter and he fits exactly what this team needs on defense in the starting lineup.

Of course we are the only team dumb enough to make him come from the bench it's so predictable. Lets keep starting Rui and be dumbfounded why DFS isn't who we expected him to be.

Idiotic.


He played decent minutes today (starter vs bench honestly shouldn't matter for a role played like him) and he was fairly ineffective on both ends of the court.



Alright dude it's whatever. Yet another dude this team destroys. And when he gets traded and delivers for another team we'll ask why he couldn't do it here.

He played 20 mins and they were all over the place. There is no point in having him out there with weird lineups.

AR
Max
DFS
Lebron
AD

is the best starting lineup.


not a single minute of this combination vs spurs

AD/Bron/DFS/Max/AR
16 Mins
Off Rating : 156.3
Def Rating : 94.3
Net Rating : +62



But it doesn't matter man!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:37 pm    Post subject:

Okay let's start DFS and see what he can do there, and NOT replacing Christie with DFS but replacing Rui with him in the starting lineup.

And then if that doesn't work, then what?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:38 pm    Post subject:

TMG wrote:
leking006 wrote:
TMG wrote:
lakez34 wrote:
TMG wrote:
lakez34 wrote:
He has not shown much in the time he's been given what should jj do differently.


He's not someone that comes from the bench he's a starter and he fits exactly what this team needs on defense in the starting lineup.

Of course we are the only team dumb enough to make him come from the bench it's so predictable. Lets keep starting Rui and be dumbfounded why DFS isn't who we expected him to be.

Idiotic.


He played decent minutes today (starter vs bench honestly shouldn't matter for a role played like him) and he was fairly ineffective on both ends of the court.



Alright dude it's whatever. Yet another dude this team destroys. And when he gets traded and delivers for another team we'll ask why he couldn't do it here.

He played 20 mins and they were all over the place. There is no point in having him out there with weird lineups.

AR
Max
DFS
Lebron
AD

is the best starting lineup.


not a single minute of this combination vs spurs

AD/Bron/DFS/Max/AR
16 Mins
Off Rating : 156.3
Def Rating : 94.3
Net Rating : +62



But it doesn't matter man!


yup and that's sad
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:40 pm    Post subject:

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Okay let's start DFS and see what he can do there, and NOT replacing Christie with DFS but replacing Rui with him in the starting lineup.

And then if that doesn't work, then what?

The main thing we'd need to see is if we're a better defensive team with that lineup, AND DFS getting 30-32mpg

If we're not, then fine, I give up. But I'd be shocked if we weren't
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Okay let's start DFS and see what he can do there, and NOT replacing Christie with DFS but replacing Rui with him in the starting lineup.

And then if that doesn't work, then what?

The main thing we'd need to see is if we're a better defensive team with that lineup, AND DFS getting 30-32mpg

If we're not, then fine, I give up. But I'd be shocked if we weren't


If the whole point was headed in a defensive direction I can't see why we shouldn't try that, especially because the entire reason we have DFS was to put pressure on Rui for his lackadasicalness. Now we can bench Rui as he's had his chance to remain consistent now that there's competition for his spot.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:44 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
alleyoop wrote:
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Okay let's start DFS and see what he can do there, and NOT replacing Christie with DFS but replacing Rui with him in the starting lineup.

And then if that doesn't work, then what?

The main thing we'd need to see is if we're a better defensive team with that lineup, AND DFS getting 30-32mpg

If we're not, then fine, I give up. But I'd be shocked if we weren't


If the whole point was headed in a defensive direction I can't see why we shouldn't try that, especially because the entire reason we have DFS was to put pressure on Rui for his lackadasicalness. Now we can bench Rui as he's had his chance to remain consistent now that there's competition for his spot.


he isnt even trying, how many times did vassell and castle scored on him in the paint earlier. smh.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:47 pm    Post subject:

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alleyoop wrote:
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Okay let's start DFS and see what he can do there, and NOT replacing Christie with DFS but replacing Rui with him in the starting lineup.

And then if that doesn't work, then what?

The main thing we'd need to see is if we're a better defensive team with that lineup, AND DFS getting 30-32mpg

If we're not, then fine, I give up. But I'd be shocked if we weren't


If the whole point was headed in a defensive direction I can't see why we shouldn't try that, especially because the entire reason we have DFS was to put pressure on Rui for his lackadasicalness. Now we can bench Rui as he's had his chance to remain consistent now that there's competition for his spot.

That DFS/Rui switch needs to happen soon though, otherwise I get those saying the trade was pointless
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:51 pm    Post subject:

Literally EVERYBODY (bleep) everybody expected DFS to start as soon as he came here.

Anybody who's ever watched him play in Dallas or Brooklyn expected him to start.

Again there is no point in trading DLO for DFS if he's coming off the bench.

DLO is much better then. I dont get it but there's a lot of things i dont get about this team.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:10 am    Post subject:

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Literally EVERYBODY (bleep) everybody expected DFS to start as soon as he came here.

Anybody who's ever watched him play in Dallas or Brooklyn expected him to start.

Again there is no point in trading DLO for DFS if he's coming off the bench.

DLO is much better then. I dont get it but there's a lot of things i dont get about this team.


It's like they trade their #1 bench scorer for bench defense lol

the point of the trade is to improve the starting lineup's defense, not just the bench. lol

it's just logical to insert dfs in the startinh 5 to improve their defense and let rui lead the 2nd unit scoring wise that DLo vacated.

And its not logical also for rui to start without enough scoring opprotunity, what is his point in there when all he can have is 1 or 2 attempts in the 1st q.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:20 am    Post subject:

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Literally EVERYBODY (bleep) everybody expected DFS to start as soon as he came here.

Anybody who's ever watched him play in Dallas or Brooklyn expected him to start.

Again there is no point in trading DLO for DFS if he's coming off the bench.

DLO is much better then. I dont get it but there's a lot of things i dont get about this team.


It's like they trade their #1 bench scorer for bench defense lol

the point of the trade is to improve the starting lineup's defense, not just the bench. lol

it's just logical to insert dfs in the startinh 5 to improve their defense and let rui lead the 2nd unit scoring wise that DLo vacated.

And its not logical also for rui to start without enough scoring opprotunity, what is his point in there when all he can have is 1 or 2 attempts in the 1st q.



Like i said dude. Dont understand much about this team
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leking006 wrote:
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Literally EVERYBODY (bleep) everybody expected DFS to start as soon as he came here.

Anybody who's ever watched him play in Dallas or Brooklyn expected him to start.

Again there is no point in trading DLO for DFS if he's coming off the bench.

DLO is much better then. I dont get it but there's a lot of things i dont get about this team.


It's like they trade their #1 bench scorer for bench defense lol

the point of the trade is to improve the starting lineup's defense, not just the bench. lol

it's just logical to insert dfs in the startinh 5 to improve their defense and let rui lead the 2nd unit scoring wise that DLo vacated.

And its not logical also for rui to start without enough scoring opportunity, what is his point in there when all he can have is 1 or 2 attempts in the 1st q.


Yes, if JJ felt that DLO was good for 15-16 off the bench and again I felt he was misusing him. But if you're getting DFS for defense you have to put him with the starters and then give Rui DLO's job of scoring off the bench.

And then you see if DFS can make more of a difference in the starting lineup than Rui could or did.

Again, the strategy should have been "Okay we don't have DLO, we need scoring off the bench, we can't make Reaves 6th man scorer anymore now, so that has to go to Rui, DFS starts and tries to up the defense of the starting unit next to Christie to hopefully make up for what Reaves and LeBron don't do on defense, let's see how that goes.

It seems clear. But again Rui was playing well so I understand why Rui wasn't immediately moved to the bench initially, but it's time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:23 am    Post subject:

I’m confused why Reaves can’t be a scorer off the bench too? It would be an upgrade over #3 in the starting lineup. He would be given the green light, play against worst defense, and help this team tremendously where we are hurting the most.

Starting lineup needs defense and bench needs scoring. Seems like a simple fix to me. Let LeBron run point with the starting 5 and let reaves/rui come in when LeBron sits.

It’s like JJ keeps trying to make this work the opposite way. When AD and Reaves sit is when LeBron comes in and dominates and we go on a little run.

Balance out the rotations jj

AD - Hayes
Lebron - Rui
DFS - Reddish/vando
Max - Dalton/reddish
Gabe - Austin

Come out and let LeBron and AD play their 2 man game surrounded by 3 role players that will give effort defensively. Tough to matchup hunt against this lineup. Sit lebron first as always and bring in Rui/Austin at the same time.

AD
Rui
DFS
Max
Austin

Heck, when Vando is back you can bring in vando with those two as well.

AD
Rui
Vando
Max
Reaves

Idk I think this rotation makes us better.

Giving Rui and Austin the green light coming off the bench plays to their strengths and minimizes their weakness (defense).
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:24 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
leking006 wrote:
TMG wrote:
Literally EVERYBODY (bleep) everybody expected DFS to start as soon as he came here.

Anybody who's ever watched him play in Dallas or Brooklyn expected him to start.

Again there is no point in trading DLO for DFS if he's coming off the bench.

DLO is much better then. I dont get it but there's a lot of things i dont get about this team.


It's like they trade their #1 bench scorer for bench defense lol

the point of the trade is to improve the starting lineup's defense, not just the bench. lol

it's just logical to insert dfs in the startinh 5 to improve their defense and let rui lead the 2nd unit scoring wise that DLo vacated.

And its not logical also for rui to start without enough scoring opportunity, what is his point in there when all he can have is 1 or 2 attempts in the 1st q.


Yes, if JJ felt that DLO was good for 15-16 off the bench and again I felt he was misusing him. But if you're getting DFS for defense you have to put him with the starters and then give Rui DLO's job of scoring off the bench.

And then you see if DFS can make more of a difference in the starting lineup than Rui could or did.

Again, the strategy should have been "Okay we don't have DLO, we need scoring off the bench, we can't make Reaves 6th man scorer anymore now, so that has to go to Rui, DFS starts and tries to up the defense of the starting unit next to Christie to hopefully make up for what Reaves and LeBron don't do on defense, let's see how that goes.

It seems clear. But again Rui was playing well so I understand why Rui wasn't immediately moved to the bench initially, but it's time.


yup clear as daylight, hoping this will be the case vs heat and jj dont wait for another loss before he decide to adjust..

add to it as leader of second unit, Rui can have more touches and attempts than he is with Lebron on the court.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:32 am    Post subject:

PICKnPOP wrote:
I’m confused why Reaves can’t be a scorer off the bench too? It would be an upgrade over #3 in the starting lineup. He would be given the green light, play against worst defense, and help this team tremendously where we are hurting the most.

Starting lineup needs defense and bench needs scoring. Seems like a simple fix to me. Let LeBron run point with the starting 5 and let reaves/rui come in when LeBron sits.

It’s like JJ keeps trying to make this work the opposite way. When AD and Reaves sit is when LeBron comes in and dominates and we go on a little run.

Balance out the rotations jj

AD - Hayes
Lebron - Rui
DFS - Reddish/vando
Max - Dalton/reddish
Gabe - Austin

Come out and let LeBron and AD play their 2 man game surrounded by 3 role players that will give effort defensively. Tough to matchup hunt against this lineup. Sit lebron first as always and bring in Rui/Austin at the same time.

AD
Rui
DFS
Max
Austin

Heck, when Vando is back you can bring in vando with those two as well.

AD
Rui
Vando
Max
Reaves

Idk I think this rotation makes us better.

Giving Rui and Austin the green light coming off the bench plays to their strengths and minimizes their weakness (defense).

I’m not so confident putting 90% of the starting lineup scoring load on Bron/AD in 2025, that’s the only problem

Plus Gabe is even less of a ballhandler than Reaves
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:59 am    Post subject:

PICKnPOP wrote:
I’m confused why Reaves can’t be a scorer off the bench too? It would be an upgrade over #3 in the starting lineup. He would be given the green light, play against worst defense, and help this team tremendously where we are hurting the most.

Starting lineup needs defense and bench needs scoring. Seems like a simple fix to me. Let LeBron run point with the starting 5 and let reaves/rui come in when LeBron sits.

It’s like JJ keeps trying to make this work the opposite way. When AD and Reaves sit is when LeBron comes in and dominates and we go on a little run.

Balance out the rotations jj

AD - Hayes
Lebron - Rui
DFS - Reddish/vando
Max - Dalton/reddish
Gabe - Austin

Come out and let LeBron and AD play their 2 man game surrounded by 3 role players that will give effort defensively. Tough to matchup hunt against this lineup. Sit lebron first as always and bring in Rui/Austin at the same time.

AD
Rui
DFS
Max
Austin

Heck, when Vando is back you can bring in vando with those two as well.

AD
Rui
Vando
Max
Reaves

Idk I think this rotation makes us better.

Giving Rui and Austin the green light coming off the bench plays to their strengths and minimizes their weakness (defense).


simple as this, I dont know why JJ cant get it. Every coach will do it like this. Look at these 3 teams in last seasons final four

Mavs

Luka and Kyrie with 3 good defenders in Gaffford, PJ Washington, Derek Jones Jr.


Wolves

KAT and Antman with 3 good defenders in Gobert, Conley, McDaniels


Celtics

Tatum and Brown with 3 good defenders in White, Holiday and Horford

That's the formula for success
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