is JHS the biggest bust of a first rounder in laker history?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:43 pm    Post subject: is JHS the biggest bust of a first rounder in laker history?

the guy has played a total of 123 minutes as a first round pick. that might be all he plays for his laker career. looking back at basically every first round pick (at least since the 80s), this guy certainly looks like the biggest bust we ever had for a 1st round pick.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:44 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: is JHS the biggest bust of a first rounder in laker history?

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the guy has played a total of 123 minutes as a first round pick. that might be all he plays for his laker career. looking back at basically every first round pick (at least since the 80s), this guy certainly looks like the biggest bust we ever had for a 1st round pick.


The thing that I always question was that Javier Jaquez (not sure of his spelling) from UCLA was available and he didnt take him for what reason. He played so well with the heat.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:48 pm    Post subject:

javaris played in 113 games and 1153 minutes in 2 seasons before he went to jail. given that, he still likely is a much, much better player than JHS. he also helped us get pau gasol as a promising prospect.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:06 pm    Post subject:

JHS haven't really played.

How does one consider a player that gets no opportunity a bust?

That doesn't make sense.

That's like asking is Kobe a bust because when he wasn't getting any opportunity.

That is a weird thought process.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:07 pm    Post subject:

Scouting department wanted Cam Whitmore but Rob Pelinka overruled the scouting department and chose Bustfino.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:08 pm    Post subject:

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Scouting department wanted Cam Whitmore but Rob Pelinka overruled the scouting department and chose Bustfino.


That's not even true.

Why do y'all continue to push narratives?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:09 pm    Post subject:

The JHS situation has been frustrating, but he has been injured back to back years, can't label him a bust.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:10 pm    Post subject:

Outspoken wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Scouting department wanted Cam Whitmore but Rob Pelinka overruled the scouting department and chose Bustfino.


That's not even true.

Why do y'all continue to push narratives?


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Per Anthony Irwin, Rob Pelinka was one of the people who stirred the Lakers into choosing JHS over Whitmore. #LakeShow

“According to sources, the consensus pick was Kobe Bufkin. When he was selected 15th by the Atlanta Hawks, the Lakers had to scramble. Sources say the scouting department preferred Whitmore once Bufkin was off the board, but Pelinka and others higher up in the organization were concerned about his medical history. Pelinka, having seen Hood-Schifino play well in the Big Ten Conference Tournament, saw something special and made the final decision.”
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:11 pm    Post subject:

BEazy wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Scouting department wanted Cam Whitmore but Rob Pelinka overruled the scouting department and chose Bustfino.


That's not even true.

Why do y'all continue to push narratives?


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Per Anthony Irwin, Rob Pelinka was one of the people who stirred the Lakers into choosing JHS over Whitmore. #LakeShow

“According to sources, the consensus pick was Kobe Bufkin. When he was selected 15th by the Atlanta Hawks, the Lakers had to scramble. Sources say the scouting department preferred Whitmore once Bufkin was off the board, but Pelinka and others higher up in the organization were concerned about his medical history. Pelinka, having seen Hood-Schifino play well in the Big Ten Conference Tournament, saw something special and made the final decision.”


Anthony Irwin <--- did you read that part?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:14 pm    Post subject:

Outspoken wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Scouting department wanted Cam Whitmore but Rob Pelinka overruled the scouting department and chose Bustfino.


That's not even true.

Why do y'all continue to push narratives?


Quote:
Per Anthony Irwin, Rob Pelinka was one of the people who stirred the Lakers into choosing JHS over Whitmore. #LakeShow

“According to sources, the consensus pick was Kobe Bufkin. When he was selected 15th by the Atlanta Hawks, the Lakers had to scramble. Sources say the scouting department preferred Whitmore once Bufkin was off the board, but Pelinka and others higher up in the organization were concerned about his medical history. Pelinka, having seen Hood-Schifino play well in the Big Ten Conference Tournament, saw something special and made the final decision.”


Anthony Irwin <--- did you read that part?


Am I suppose to believe you over him? lol
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:03 pm    Post subject:

BEazy wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Scouting department wanted Cam Whitmore but Rob Pelinka overruled the scouting department and chose Bustfino.


That's not even true.

Why do y'all continue to push narratives?


Quote:
Per Anthony Irwin, Rob Pelinka was one of the people who stirred the Lakers into choosing JHS over Whitmore. #LakeShow

“According to sources, the consensus pick was Kobe Bufkin. When he was selected 15th by the Atlanta Hawks, the Lakers had to scramble. Sources say the scouting department preferred Whitmore once Bufkin was off the board, but Pelinka and others higher up in the organization were concerned about his medical history. Pelinka, having seen Hood-Schifino play well in the Big Ten Conference Tournament, saw something special and made the final decision.”


Anthony Irwin <--- did you read that part?


Am I suppose to believe you over him? lol


Pete from LFR who sat in lunch rooms with people in the Laker office and talked to them about their draft boards has said that he knows the pick was a scouting department pick. The Spectrum draft special had Rob Pelinka straight up telling Jesse Buss that they got Jesse’s guy and Jesse looked happy. It was a scouting department pick. Nobody bats 100. The scouting department has more than proved their worth, one missed pick doesn’t change that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:29 pm    Post subject:

BEazy wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Scouting department wanted Cam Whitmore but Rob Pelinka overruled the scouting department and chose Bustfino.


That's not even true.

Why do y'all continue to push narratives?


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Per Anthony Irwin, Rob Pelinka was one of the people who stirred the Lakers into choosing JHS over Whitmore. #LakeShow

“According to sources, the consensus pick was Kobe Bufkin. When he was selected 15th by the Atlanta Hawks, the Lakers had to scramble. Sources say the scouting department preferred Whitmore once Bufkin was off the board, but Pelinka and others higher up in the organization were concerned about his medical history. Pelinka, having seen Hood-Schifino play well in the Big Ten Conference Tournament, saw something special and made the final decision.”


They irony on this statement... smh
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:32 pm    Post subject:

D’Angelo Russell.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:34 pm    Post subject:

Javaris still rocks the Lakers cap:
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:41 pm    Post subject:

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Javaris still rocks the Lakers cap:


At the time, one poster here called him a “more explosive Chris Paul.” Others compared him to Jason Kidd.

Farmar was compared to Tony Parker. Bynum to Shaq. Shannon Brown discussed as a potential all star.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:50 pm    Post subject:

BEazy wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Scouting department wanted Cam Whitmore but Rob Pelinka overruled the scouting department and chose Bustfino.


That's not even true.

Why do y'all continue to push narratives?


Quote:
Per Anthony Irwin, Rob Pelinka was one of the people who stirred the Lakers into choosing JHS over Whitmore. #LakeShow

“According to sources, the consensus pick was Kobe Bufkin. When he was selected 15th by the Atlanta Hawks, the Lakers had to scramble. Sources say the scouting department preferred Whitmore once Bufkin was off the board, but Pelinka and others higher up in the organization were concerned about his medical history. Pelinka, having seen Hood-Schifino play well in the Big Ten Conference Tournament, saw something special and made the final decision.”


Anthony Irwin <--- did you read that part?


Am I suppose to believe you over him? lol


I followed him for awhile, and then no more because he was batting -5000. His sources are probably interns who heard something, a janitor who walked by a convo... LOL! I don't believe he has real connections. A real source who wants thier info leaked to the masses wouldn't choose Anthony Irwin.

To answer the thread's question. I don't think a 17th pick with 17th pick expectations can be the biggest bust. I would argue Lonzo at #2, and all hype and ceiling he had was the bigger bust.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:55 pm    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
BEazy wrote:
Scouting department wanted Cam Whitmore but Rob Pelinka overruled the scouting department and chose Bustfino.


That's not even true.

Why do y'all continue to push narratives?


Quote:
Per Anthony Irwin, Rob Pelinka was one of the people who stirred the Lakers into choosing JHS over Whitmore. #LakeShow

“According to sources, the consensus pick was Kobe Bufkin. When he was selected 15th by the Atlanta Hawks, the Lakers had to scramble. Sources say the scouting department preferred Whitmore once Bufkin was off the board, but Pelinka and others higher up in the organization were concerned about his medical history. Pelinka, having seen Hood-Schifino play well in the Big Ten Conference Tournament, saw something special and made the final decision.”


Anthony Irwin <--- did you read that part?


Am I suppose to believe you over him? lol


Pete from LFR who sat in lunch rooms with people in the Laker office and talked to them about their draft boards has said that he knows the pick was a scouting department pick. The Spectrum draft special had Rob Pelinka straight up telling Jesse Buss that they got Jesse’s guy and Jesse looked happy. It was a scouting department pick. Nobody bats 100. The scouting department has more than proved their worth, one missed pick doesn’t change that.


The framing of the rumor is what should raise alarms. The notion that the Lakers had to "scramble" after the guy they wanted was taken 2 picks earlier is laughable. They weren't picking at 2 or 3. They had no idea who would be there at 17. Obviously they would have had a ranking of prospects in the range, as they've had every year. As mentioned, our scouts have been very good, but no one is perfect. They whiffed on JHS. They've made up for it in other ways. At least we haven't doubled down and tried to hold on to him beyond this year.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:58 pm    Post subject:

Outspoken wrote:
JHS haven't really played.

How does one consider a player that gets no opportunity a bust?

That doesn't make sense.

That's like asking is Kobe a bust because when he wasn't getting any opportunity.

That is a weird thought process.


kobe played over 3000 minutes his first two seasons. even started 6 games as a rookie. they played him because he was good. JHS gets no opportunities cuz well he sucks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:00 pm    Post subject:

He's been injured for quite some time. It's not like he's not playing just because
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:01 pm    Post subject:

nomoreshaq wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
JHS haven't really played.

How does one consider a player that gets no opportunity a bust?

That doesn't make sense.

That's like asking is Kobe a bust because when he wasn't getting any opportunity.

That is a weird thought process.


kobe played over 3000 minutes his first two seasons. even started 6 games as a rookie. they played him because he was good. JHS gets no opportunities cuz well he sucks.


Kobe was a lotto pick who power played himself down the draft to get to the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:06 pm    Post subject:

Earl Jones - 1984, 23rd pick. He was Kareem's successor.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:17 pm    Post subject:

Kenny Carr- 1977 6th pick out of North Carolina St. Was picked just after Walter Davis, a super fantastic player for the Suns before a drug scandal, and picked right before Bernard King, who was a king-size headache for the league for years.

Laker f'd up that pick just like w/JHS.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:47 pm    Post subject:

lakerfanaticPT wrote:
Javaris Crittenton

How?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:58 pm    Post subject:

Mods should merge this with the JHS thread.
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