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DancingBarry Editor-in-Chief
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:57 pm Post subject: LAKERS -at- ROCKETS – 1-5-25 - DIY Thoughts and :-(( Ratings |
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DIY night again. That defensive glass killed them. And the end of game stuff was comically bad. |
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miggz23 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Got killed in the offensive rebounds. 18-10… Lakers were not ready for the Rox size and speed tonight.
AR - ZERO rebounds
Rui /Knecht - 1 rebound each
DFS - 2 rebounds |
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A Mad Chinaman Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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miggz23 wrote: | Got killed in the offensive rebounds. 18-10… Lakers were not ready for the Rox size and speed tonight.
AR - ZERO rebounds
Rui /Knecht - 1 rebound each
DFS - 2 rebounds | Definitely need more than rebounds than what AD (13), LBJ (13) and Christie (6) got
AR to 10 assists & 21 points,
Rui/DFS only getting a total 3 rebounds from our listed PFs is not going to cut it
As J.J. stated, team missed 4 ATOs, unusual for them
This game showed that the team is getting better but not yet reached the 2nd level - with OKC in the top level, Rockets and a few others in the 2nd level. |
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anth2000 Franchise Player
Joined: 16 Apr 2001 Posts: 13049 Location: Pasadena, CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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We need a center like Kessler. I feel that’s all we need. |
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Brawn13 Star Player
Joined: 30 Jan 2019 Posts: 4706
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Remember in 2020 when AD at center was considered small ball?
Lebron/Rui/DFS at center is microball |
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TooMuchMajicBuss Franchise Player
Joined: 17 Sep 2008 Posts: 21478 Location: In a white room, with black curtains near the station
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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I hated how the Lakers got out rebounded.
Rui Hachimura: Power Forward size, starting squad salary, 1 rebound, terrible defense, his strong point is scoring and he scored 13 points. He just does not strike me as a starter on a title contending team.
DFS: he played solid defense. Didn't rebound well, better than Rui but that's not saying much. Scored more than I expected. But thanks to very solid defense he helped us claw back from the hole Rui/Jaxon/Knecht dug us into at the start of Q4.
Lebron had a good game, but I didn't like LeBron ball at the end of this one.
Jaxon Hayes - why did the ball repeatedly end up in Jaxon's hands for the shot at the start of Q4? He's a 3rd string center out there, and he was getting torched on both ends. Terrible outing, but where was the organization on offense? Why exactly did the ball continuously find it's way to Jaxon for the miss? Terrible rebounding, terrible scoring, but again, he's being paid 3rd string money and he's a backup, not a starter, but he somehow got shoved into the feature scorer role during that pivotal stretch. Teamwork Fail.
Knecht - terrible mistakes on defense. He needs more experience and some serious player development on every aspect of team defense, defensive technique, communication on defense, how to handle screens... why bother even trying to list this. He's an inexperienced rookie. I'm hopeful we see a much more complete player next year.
Max - great game in spite of the snafu on the entry pass at crunch time. This is right in the middle of the bulls eye center of Max's biggest weakness, due to inexperience. Why again was he in-bounding? Did he know he had a time out to burn? Could maybe someone on the sideline helped remind him? Max was a big reason why we clawed back in Q4. This loss isn't on Max. Not even close.
AD - great game. Wasted, but great game. |
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slavavov Star Player
Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 8785 Location: Santa Monica
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Give the Lakers credit for fighting back and giving themselves a real shot at wining this game.
But defensive rebounding continues to be a problem for them. Our wings and guards need to box out and rebound better.
We had only two fast-break points and walked the ball upcourt for just about the entire game. You cannot beat quality teams in the NBA doing that.
This puts pressure on us to win the Dallas game on Tuesday. Otherwise the momentum we've been building lately will be pretty much gone. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers |
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Nobody Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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The trio of Rui, AR and Knecth is just horrible defensively. I don't understand why JJ plays them together for longer stretches. Brutal to watch, it's not even the trying (I think AR tries as much as he can given his physical limitations), but the complete lack of awareness on where they're supposed to be and who they're supposed to be guarding is disturbing to say the least.
The offensive boards and the early 22-point hole really killed any chance of a Lakers win. It's almost incredible the game was this close. |
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Nobody Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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slavavov wrote: | Give the Lakers credit for fighting back and giving themselves a real shot at wining this game.
But defensive rebounding continues to be a problem for them. Our wings and guards need to box out and rebound better.
We had only two fast-break points and walked the ball upcourt for just about the entire game. You cannot beat quality teams in the NBA doing that.
This puts pressure on us to win the Dallas game on Tuesday. Otherwise the momentum we've been building lately will be pretty much gone. |
This has been a nagging problem for some time now (last season as well). I guess you simply can't teach the want and hustle to get those boards. Some of the plays were particularly egregious - a Rocket player got at least two or three rebounds in traffic after his own miss because our guys just stood their with their dicks in their hands. |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Didn't see the game, but looking at the box score, it appears LdBron had a good game, until you see that -13 under +/-,which is quite the pattern and suggests, as many have ranted, that there still is not enough energy on the defensive end. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 8:33 am Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | Didn't see the game, but looking at the box score, it appears LdBron had a good game, until you see that -13 under +/-,which is quite the pattern and suggests, as many have ranted, that there still is not enough energy on the defensive end. | it was a weird game. Rox got up big then like most teams messed around allowing us some room to get back into it. I personally didn’t think LeBron energy was terrible but it seems like social media feels he and AD are the most nonchalant stars in the league. Rox like all other long athletic and aggressive teams are a problem. _________________ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDfvXWXvpeb/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Halflife wrote: | ribeye wrote: | Didn't see the game, but looking at the box score, it appears LdBron had a good game, until you see that -13 under +/-,which is quite the pattern and suggests, as many have ranted, that there still is not enough energy on the defensive end. | it was a weird game. Rox got up big then like most teams messed around allowing us some room to get back into it. I personally didn’t think LeBron energy was terrible but it seems like social media feels he and AD are the most nonchalant stars in the league. Rox like all other long athletic and aggressive teams are a problem. |
I get that, but it is hard to imagine that a guy one assist shy of a triple double, scoring 21 points on 50% shooting and over 50% from three, with the team losing by four, having a -13, meaning that, despite these positives, the other team did even more while he was on the floor. Maybe it not a lack of energy on defense, or a lack of desire, but simply the lack of ability, that father time is finally catching up with LeBron when playing, at least, the long, athletic, aggressive teams. His overall negative +/- for the year is a concern. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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defense Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Nobody wrote: | slavavov wrote: | Give the Lakers credit for fighting back and giving themselves a real shot at wining this game.
But defensive rebounding continues to be a problem for them. Our wings and guards need to box out and rebound better.
We had only two fast-break points and walked the ball upcourt for just about the entire game. You cannot beat quality teams in the NBA doing that.
This puts pressure on us to win the Dallas game on Tuesday. Otherwise the momentum we've been building lately will be pretty much gone. |
This has been a nagging problem for some time now (last season as well). I guess you simply can't teach the want and hustle to get those boards. Some of the plays were particularly egregious - a Rocket player got at least two or three rebounds in traffic after his own miss because our guys just stood their with their dicks in their hands. |
Entire team outside Davis needs to rebound better. This includes Lebron in critical moments. |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:58 am Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | Halflife wrote: | ribeye wrote: | Didn't see the game, but looking at the box score, it appears LdBron had a good game, until you see that -13 under +/-,which is quite the pattern and suggests, as many have ranted, that there still is not enough energy on the defensive end. | it was a weird game. Rox got up big then like most teams messed around allowing us some room to get back into it. I personally didn’t think LeBron energy was terrible but it seems like social media feels he and AD are the most nonchalant stars in the league. Rox like all other long athletic and aggressive teams are a problem. |
I get that, but it is hard to imagine that a guy one assist shy of a triple double, scoring 21 points on 50% shooting and over 50% from three, with the team losing by four, having a -13, meaning that, despite these positives, the other team did even more while he was on the floor. Maybe it not a lack of energy on defense, or a lack of desire, but simply the lack of ability, that father time is finally catching up with LeBron when playing, at least, the long, athletic, aggressive teams. His overall negative +/- for the year is a concern. | there are reels out there seemingly after every game showcasing brons defense. But as some say here that’s not what he’s paid for. Rox are tough. Their coach is tough and they make you feel them every play win or lose. They got guys. I like their roster a lot. They are Ime. We are not Jj yet. Another year or two. _________________ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDfvXWXvpeb/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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First half was tough, we couldn't buy a bucket |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers had the advantage in FG%, 3PT%, FT%, and FTA. Should’ve found a way to win. |
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miggz23 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | Lakers had the advantage in FG%, 3PT%, FT%, and FTA. Should’ve found a way to win. |
Yea that happens when you can't rebound the ball.... Lakers gave up 8 more offensive rebounds, and only lost by 1 possession. |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 10:24 am Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | Halflife wrote: | ribeye wrote: | Didn't see the game, but looking at the box score, it appears LdBron had a good game, until you see that -13 under +/-,which is quite the pattern and suggests, as many have ranted, that there still is not enough energy on the defensive end. | it was a weird game. Rox got up big then like most teams messed around allowing us some room to get back into it. I personally didn’t think LeBron energy was terrible but it seems like social media feels he and AD are the most nonchalant stars in the league. Rox like all other long athletic and aggressive teams are a problem. |
I get that, but it is hard to imagine that a guy one assist shy of a triple double, scoring 21 points on 50% shooting and over 50% from three, with the team losing by four, having a -13, meaning that, despite these positives, the other team did even more while he was on the floor. Maybe it not a lack of energy on defense, or a lack of desire, but simply the lack of ability, that father time is finally catching up with LeBron when playing, at least, the long, athletic, aggressive teams. His overall negative +/- for the year is a concern. |
This continued to bug me, then in remembering about Popcorn Machine, I went to see the gameflow they provide. Based on this, what made LeBron's +/- so bad could be attributed to the fact he played (-9 in 2.2 min.) with Reddish (-12 total in 3.6 min) and Milton (-16 total in 5 min).
https://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20250105&game=LALHOU _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Jovan Buha @jovanbuha
Lakers-Rockets Postgame Reaction:
-- The Lakers lost this game in the first half -- not late
-- LA's glaring athleticism deficit
-- DFS's role is growing
-- Health updates on Jarred Vanderbilt, Gabe Vincent, Christian Wood
https://www.youtube.com/live/stBlTfqPzKw?si=fgjR07XsStp8AHVW
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A Mad Chinaman Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Austin Reaves, in particular, had a really rough game for the Lakers as he finished with 15 points, two rebounds, one assist and three steals on 5-of-14 shooting. He was a game-worst -25 and the main reason for that was the Mavericks were targeting him on defense nearly every possession.
Reaves’ inability to defend led to numerous Dallas runs, including one when the Lakers were in a zone in order to protect the guard from getting hunted.
After the game, Reaves admitted he didn’t play well and discussed what he can do when teams are targeting him like that, as seen on Spectrum SportsNet:
“Just play better defense. First half was god awful. Second half I thought was better. But just can’t allow that. I was really bad on both sides of the ball tonight.”
Reaves also admitted that the Lakers may have been a bit too relaxed going into the game knowing they were going against a shorthanded group:
https://lakersnation.com/lakers-news-austin-reaves-doesnt-sugarcoat-his-poor-play-in-loss-to-mavericks/ |
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