Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:29 pm Post subject: Dan Hurley
I couldn't find the old thread, hence this one.
In retrospect, we dodged a bullet IMO with him saying no.
JJ has brought something out in AR, Christie finally made the jump we've been hoping for and I believe JJ's taking the right approach with Knecht. I don't know that Hurley would do better, and I'm wondering if he would have even been this good with only college experience. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Dan Hurley
Dr. Laker wrote:
I couldn't find the old thread, hence this one.
In retrospect, we dodged a bullet IMO with him saying no.
JJ has brought something out in AR, Christie finally made the jump we've been hoping for and I believe JJ's taking the right approach with Knecht. I don't know that Hurley would do better, and I'm wondering if he would have even been this good with only college experience.
All I know is that JJ is giving us our best regular season since 20-21, he’s still learning a few things but am very glad to have him _________________ #18 next...
He woulda been great but JJ been great too so… whatever _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
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Nearly a year ago, much of the basketball world was pouring cold water over the idea that JJ Redick could be a successful NBA coach.
On Friday night, after their win over the Houston Rockets gave them 50 victories for only the second time in 14 seasons, that cold water was administered over his head in the locker room by his players in celebration.
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Hurley probably would have also been good. It depends if you think he could maximize talent or would have surrounded himself with other NBA Coaches to help him scheme against other NBA teams.
JJ's gameplans are one of his strengths and how to shut down other teams and implementing them. Small things like that, which is helped by his staff he put together and the more experienced Coaches he surrounded himself with. Would Hurley have done that? We don't know. But it's one of JJ's biggest strengths, along with having a talented roster and now an even more talented one. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Hurley probably would have also been good. It depends if you think he could maximize talent or would have surrounded himself with other NBA Coaches to help him scheme against other NBA teams.
JJ's gameplans are one of his strengths and how to shut down other teams and implementing them. Small things like that, which is helped by his staff he put together and the more experienced Coaches he surrounded himself with. Would Hurley have done that? We don't know. But it's one of JJ's biggest strengths, along with having a talented roster and now an even more talented one.
Some coaches (Larry Brown, Brad Stevens) do great going from College to the NBA. Others (Tim Floyd, John Calipari) are awful.
I was all for giving Hurley a shot simply because Darvin was so bad, but in retrospect, I'm not sure he would've worked with a squad full of OGs like LBJ, AD, etc. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
When we were looking at Dan Hurley last season, I had a feeling at that point the franchise only cared about the future and really did not believe in the present. Without a doubt, Hurley can run a development program. However, due to some fortunate circumstances we have a legit chance this season. In this case, Redick is 100% the right choice. Simply for the fact that he has NBA experienced staff. Hurley would have probably hired his college friends in his staff.
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No, JJ has exceeded my expectations, great demeanor, meticulous, defense been great, offense obviously when you have Bron then adding Luka but he’s found almost perfect roles for the other guys. I like his speeches too, D.Fish level _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Dan Hurley
Dr. Laker wrote:
I couldn't find the old thread, hence this one.
In retrospect, we dodged a bullet IMO with him saying no.
JJ has brought something out in AR, Christie finally made the jump we've been hoping for and I believe JJ's taking the right approach with Knecht. I don't know that Hurley would do better, and I'm wondering if he would have even been this good with only college experience.
College coaches who transition and succeed in the NBA are very rare. The Lakers were desperate and just thinking outside the box, but it would have been another failure. Screaming at kids is one thing, screaming at millionaire adults just won't work. _________________ "The game is MORE than just one player. Without Luka, DFS would have been more than enough to replace him based on what we've seen," LakersFever714, the greatest casual of all time.
Hurley probably would have also been good. It depends if you think he could maximize talent or would have surrounded himself with other NBA Coaches to help him scheme against other NBA teams.
JJ's gameplans are one of his strengths and how to shut down other teams and implementing them. Small things like that, which is helped by his staff he put together and the more experienced Coaches he surrounded himself with. Would Hurley have done that? We don't know. But it's one of JJ's biggest strengths, along with having a talented roster and now an even more talented one.
Depends. If he carries around the type of arrogance where he says stuff like this to a ref he wouldn't be long for the head coach of a Lebron team:
"Don't turn your back on me. I'm the best coach in the (expletive) sport!"
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Dan Hurley
Runway8 wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
I couldn't find the old thread, hence this one.
In retrospect, we dodged a bullet IMO with him saying no.
JJ has brought something out in AR, Christie finally made the jump we've been hoping for and I believe JJ's taking the right approach with Knecht. I don't know that Hurley would do better, and I'm wondering if he would have even been this good with only college experience.
College coaches who transition and succeed in the NBA are very rare. The Lakers were desperate and just thinking outside the box, but it would have been another failure. Screaming at kids is one thing, screaming at millionaire adults just won't work.
Yeah, I think he would have clearly still been an upgrade over our last few Coaches but that's not really saying much.
I think JJ is pretty much everything you could realistically ever hope for in a rookie HC... He's got all the vets playing together and buying in while making several players look the best they have looked in there entire Careers on top of the younger players looking like they have improved throughout the Season as well.
JJ knowing Luka very well and being Friends with him was MASSIVE too. If Luka didn't mesh extremely well with Hurley we'd possibly be having very different conversations right now about Coaching going forward. All I know is we have zero real concerns about Coaching as of right now which is a beautiful thing I don't take for granted. He's got to continue to prove it in the Playoffs obviously but once again I finally have faith in the Coaching staff again so i'm not overly concerned like in the past.
Lakers got really lucky. JJ is special in a good way with his high basketball intelligence. Hurley is just another coach who's probably not as smart as JJ. Jeanie got the better HC for less than half the price.
This season, Lakers lucked out with JJ and then Nico Harrison decided to offer us Luka on a platter. Now we're staring down at the potential 18th championship. It's a good time to be a Laker fan. _________________ JJ is the GCOAT, greatest coach of all time!
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2025 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Dan Hurley
Runway8 wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
I couldn't find the old thread, hence this one.
In retrospect, we dodged a bullet IMO with him saying no.
JJ has brought something out in AR, Christie finally made the jump we've been hoping for and I believe JJ's taking the right approach with Knecht. I don't know that Hurley would do better, and I'm wondering if he would have even been this good with only college experience.
College coaches who transition and succeed in the NBA are very rare. The Lakers were desperate and just thinking outside the box, but it would have been another failure. Screaming at kids is one thing, screaming at millionaire adults just won't work.
I agree. Also got physical with his own player once on live TV during the NCAA Final. Not quite Bobby Knight-level but would not fly in the NBA for sure. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
here's my thought on JJ. i like JJ, i think he has done a phenomenon job, easily coach of the year candidate. however, i believe a good part of his success can be tributed to his well publicized podcast and his presence as a well respected media personnel on TV and on social media. the team can only go so far if the stars buy into their head coach. LeBron had no respect for Vogel and Ham, but he would be hesitant to undermine JJ, because JJ's well connected in the media, LeBron at this stage of his career is very conscious with his public image. therefore, he has been onboard with JJ from the get go. i'm not saying this is the only factor for JJ's success, but it's a big part of it.
JJ may be a better fit for this particular Laker team - but Vogel is a competent coach that has been severely under-appreciated league-wide.
One can look no further than the Suns. With Vogel, accordording to ESPN the exact same team went 25-16 with the big 3 and won 49 games, played above average defense. They blamed him, and end up being worse with Bud, by a lot.
Every team Vogel has gone to has done better on defense, by a lot. Outside of ORL, which if you look at the team, it's a complete re-build situation.
When you had a player like AD, you needed to build a defensive powerhouse and Vogel was the right guy, by a lot. I think in 2023, when both AD and Bron were healthy, we may have been able to get another title out of that group if the team was constructed better. It's neither here or there though, I feel Ham held us back.
So to answer CC, I think Vogel is a very solid coach and proven it a few places. However his time and impact in the league may be coming to an end. It seems the in thing right now is to go with a coach that has actually played in the NBA. So going back to JJ, I agree he may be the better man for this job. The best thing we did with JJ or JJ did for himself is hire 2 NBA level head coaches on his staff.
Overall, I have to see JJ in a playoff setting. How does he adjust in series. We saw with Ham, there really was no big adjustment. With Vogel there were a lot of adjustments (mostly on defense). With JJ, if he can make those adjustments, we're going to be very happy with him. I want to see what JJ comes up with when teams adjust to his small ball tactics. If teams play Luka/Lebron straight up, etc.
If you look at our RS, even last year's team on 47 games with a worse roster. The team was not doing any better under JJ until we traded DLO for DFS. Roster balance plays a huge part in this stuff. Even on offense, once JJ got his guy in Luka, he's been able to show far more of his tactics since with AD we had to run more mid post, weakside wing etc action catered to AD.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:44 am Post subject:
lakersfever714 wrote:
Lakers got really lucky. JJ is special in a good way with his high basketball intelligence. Hurley is just another coach who's probably not as smart as JJ. Jeanie got the better HC for less than half the price.
This season, Lakers lucked out with JJ and then Nico Harrison decided to offer us Luka on a platter. Now we're staring down at the potential 18th championship. It's a good time to be a Laker fan.
No, no, no, no.. you don't get to say this and get away with it. Why aren't you keeping the same energy? You were whining about the trade, whining about how many more years it will take to build a contender around Luka, saying you don't think he's generational, and the most egregious of all, saying DFS is the same as him. When I tried to be understanding of why you're partial to AD and Max, and offerred an olive branch for peace, because I said I'm too old for this.. you kept it confrontational... so lets keep the same energy. You of all people, don't get to clown Nico.
Keep on clowning Rob and Luka. _________________ "The game is MORE than just one player. Without Luka, DFS would have been more than enough to replace him based on what we've seen," LakersFever714, the greatest casual of all time.
I thought Vogel did a GREAT job! He wasn't the one who asked for WB, but he was the scapegoat. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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