I don't get people here - they're treating AD like he's chopped liver. Sheesh. A definite Top 15 player in the game today, perennial all-star, easily Top 5 defender, and people think he's comparable to Kwame Brown ???
I must have woken up into an alternate reality.
I don't get people here - they're treating AD like he's chopped liver. Sheesh. A definite Top 15 player in the game today, perennial all-star, easily Top 5 defender, and people think he's comparable to Kwame Brown ???
I must have woken up into an alternate reality.
You might want to re-read all the posts in this thread, like I just did. No one at all insinuated AD was "comparable" to Kwame. Everyone mentioning AD insinuated that AD is a much bigger loss for us.
Short term, Gasol. Long term, Luka. Hopefully with LeBron and Coach, and showing Luka some Jane Fonda workout tapes, it should Luka by a substantial margin. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
@TPD: It’s absolutely ridiculous, especially cause dude was playing out his mind. Since 2019 when AD turned Laker, Luka’s avg just 6 more games than AD in the regular season during that same 5 yr span.
Add to that that Luka has had a major body of work before turning pro, by starting at 14 to be semi-pro while he was abroad.
Add to that how his actually body of work is kinda broad and he currently sits on 2 calf strains. Follow that down the kinetic chain and if he continues to Ach, we’ll all feel ille with happens next.
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The Mavericks were motivated to move Doncic because of his constant conditioning concerns, sources told MacMahon. There had been significant frustration within the organization about Doncic's lack of discipline regarding his diet and conditioning, which team sources considered a major factor in his injury issues.
Though Doncic was relatively lean by his standards when he reported to camp, his weight ballooned to the high 260s early this season, sources said. He sat out five games in late November, when the Mavericks listed him with a sprained right wrist, an extended absence to allow Doncic to focus on his conditioning. He had a similar early-season layoff in the 2022-23 season.
Doncic has been limited to 22 games this season because of a variety of injuries. He has twice strained his left calf since reporting to Dallas before training camp in late September, although the Mavericks reported the fall injury only as a calf contusion, sources said.
Doncic has not played since straining his calf again on Christmas Day but has been targeting a return before the All-Star break later this month, sources told MacMahon.
The disrespect towards AD, from our own fanbase nonetheless, is really sad & wild. Mavs came to us with this deal, with the particulars they had exclusive access to over the years with him as their guy.
I hope to god everything works out, but I’m bracing for impact…and by all means, if this is suppose to be a future related move, then don’t race dude to the court this season. _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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I don't get people here - they're treating AD like he's chopped liver. Sheesh. A definite Top 15 player in the game today, perennial all-star, easily Top 5 defender, and people think he's comparable to Kwame Brown ???
I must have woken up into an alternate reality.
You might want to re-read all the posts in this thread, like I just did. No one at all insinuated AD was "comparable" to Kwame. Everyone mentioning AD insinuated that AD is a much bigger loss for us.
There are 19 votes that say otherwise .. just sayin'
AD is a superstar. Luka is the better player long term, but AD is a legit two way guy. People acting like this is a fleece are crazy. Mavs are likely to be the better team for the rest of this season, imo. Lakers got holes they need to fill.
AD have never been a superstar. He's an all-star, Luka is a superstar
Lakers can get bigs who play defense/rebounds, Luka is a generational talent, and we got him at 25 which is unheard of. _________________ "What makes you think a bartender is stupid or incapable of scouting?" ~ Rick12322
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:39 am Post subject:
Memphis trade wasn’t really Kwame for Pau. It was Marc Gasol, Kwame’s expiring contract, and multiple first rounders for Pau.
Memphis got a future DPOY and the cap space needed for Zach Randolph. It was the start of their grit and grind era, which led them to a WCF appearance. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Luka by a galaxy. Pau was never a mvp contender or a top 3 player in the league, nor carried a team to the finals. I love pau but there’s a reason dude are flipping out over this trade.
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This one is far more lopsided IMO. Luka is a transcendent talent and was HOF by his 3rd season. Pau was a fringe all-star before he joined the Lakers. _________________ Yi Jianlian Fanboy. Respect The Chair.
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The Gasol trade literally took us from a team with a losing record to NBA Champions so I don't think anything could top that. I'm still neutral about the Luka trade as of today because AD and Max are not Kwame...lol. Let's see how it turns out but if the Lakers were championship contenders with AD and Max, then we've definitely lost the trade imo. _________________ Lakers used to average one championship every four years under Dr. Buss but I'd gladly take one every ten years now.
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Luka by a galaxy. Pau was never a mvp or a top 3 player in the league, nor carried a team to the finals. I love pau but there’s a reason dude are flipping out over this trade.
Gasol had something like an 0-16 record in the playoffs iirc.
Pau helped us get 2 titles and 3 finals as a laker
Pau the Griz was 0/12 in the playoffs
Marc was part of the Pau trade and Marc went on to win DPOY, make the all star team, win 50 games, made the western conference finals and be a perennial playoff team
Pau is a better player overall, but Marc by far is a better Griz and did more for that team than his brother to the point it’s not close. Marc and Z-Bo are both better for that team
AD would have to win a ring in Dallas and Luka never win anything in la to be considered the better heist because Marc killed Paul’s whole career as his replacement. And yes trading pay gave the cap space for a-Bo who had a better Memphis career as well
Luka by a galaxy. Pau was never a mvp or a top 3 player in the league, nor carried a team to the finals. I love pau but there’s a reason dude are flipping out over this trade.
Gasol had something like an 0-16 record in the playoffs iirc.
Ya it was bad. When pau came to the lakers, everyone viewed him as soft ass euro who got smoked in the first round and lost. He had no where near the pedigree that Luka did.
Losing Kwame was tough. I recall vividly fans pleading for Kupchak not to move Kwame. He was our heart and soul. And for what? The lesser talented of the two Gasol brother? I speak for all Lakers fans when I say that was one of the toughest trades to come to grips with.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:19 am Post subject:
dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
Lakeshow323 wrote:
Luka by a galaxy. Pau was never a mvp or a top 3 player in the league, nor carried a team to the finals. I love pau but there’s a reason dude are flipping out over this trade.
Gasol had something like an 0-16 record in the playoffs iirc.
He was a one time all star at that point, and did not make the game the season he was traded to us. The Grizzlies have not even retired his number. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Luka by a galaxy. Pau was never a mvp or a top 3 player in the league, nor carried a team to the finals. I love pau but there’s a reason dude are flipping out over this trade.
Gasol had something like an 0-16 record in the playoffs iirc.
He was a one time all star at that point, and did not make the game the season he was traded to us. The Grizzlies have not even retired his number.
Yes. Not taking anything away from Pau. Excellent player in his own right but he was seen as an Al Jefferson prior to his stint with the Lakers. Fringe all-star, great post player but not really a defensive threat or franchise changer. Kobe deserves more credit for transforming him into HOF caliber. 08 was the wakeup call he needed.
Plus they got Marc Gasol, who went on to accomplish more than Pau. I'd say it was a fair trade. Grizz played the long game and it paid off for them. We'll see how it pays off for the Mavs. _________________ Yi Jianlian Fanboy. Respect The Chair.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:48 am Post subject:
Neither was a heist, both trades worked for both teams. They are mirror images of each other. We got Pau to contend for 2-3 seasons, Memphis got Marc and it brought them longer term success. I think that Dallas brought themselves 2-3 years of contention. Their defense should be top 5 in the league. And hopefully the Lakers brought in long term success. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:51 am Post subject:
Denny_Russo wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
Lakeshow323 wrote:
Luka by a galaxy. Pau was never a mvp or a top 3 player in the league, nor carried a team to the finals. I love pau but there’s a reason dude are flipping out over this trade.
Gasol had something like an 0-16 record in the playoffs iirc.
He was a one time all star at that point, and did not make the game the season he was traded to us. The Grizzlies have not even retired his number.
Yes. Not taking anything away from Pau. Excellent player in his own right but he was seen as an Al Jefferson prior to his stint with the Lakers. Fringe all-star, great post player but not really a defensive threat or franchise changer. Kobe deserves more credit for transforming him into HOF caliber. 08 was the wakeup call he needed.
Plus they got Marc Gasol, who went on to accomplish more than Pau. I'd say it was a fair trade. Grizz played the long game and it paid off for them. We'll see how it pays off for the Mavs.
Here’s a weird coincidence: The month before the Gasol trade, I made a post here about how I felt bad for the Wizards for drafting Kwame when they could have drafted Pau Gasol. Another poster responded that there was no need to feel bad for the Wizards because they ended up with Caron Butler, who was “tearing it up in the East.”
At the time Pau was seen as a lower stature player than Caron Butler. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Memphis trade wasn’t really Kwame for Pau. It was Marc Gasol, Kwame’s expiring contract, and multiple first rounders for Pau.
Memphis got a future DPOY and the cap space needed for Zach Randolph. It was the start of their grit and grind era, which led them to a WCF appearance.
At trade time Marc Gasol was an unknown - he had never seen the NBA floor and GM's had no idea that he would turn into the all-star/DPOY Marc Gasol that we all know. So at trade time the lopsidedness measure is:
HOF Gasol - (Kwame Brown + draft rights of an unknown + 2 FRP's + Crittenton + McKie)
At that time FRP's were not valued anywhere near how they're valued now because there was no apron and the cap was *way* less stringent. Crittenton was not a starter (though had promise) and McKie was a filler.
Compare that with the Luka trade:
Top-5 Luka - (HOF AD + 1 FRP + starter Christie + filler JHS + 2 SRPs)
I stand by my comment that the Gasol trade was more lop-sided.
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