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| MJST wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Great underdog story.
But redundant if DFS/Vando/Gabe are all available and Rui is healthy.
Gonna have to pick between him or Gabe in that scenario. He's not supposed to be getting minutes if all 4 are available and neither is in foul trouble or having a bad game.
Learned that the hard way last game. The "3 non-shooting/non-scoring" defensive guard lineups don't work and other teams will thank us whenever we run them. |
Agreed, Goodwin is just insurance at this point in the season for either Gabe/DFS/Vando being in foul trouble, missing time, or having an especially bad game. He has slightly better size than Gabe and less than DFS/Vando but if Rui is available then the size is taking care of too without Goodwin.
His value…if he keeps it up…is being able to get the type of production for vet min instead of having to spend double digit millions for it like Gabe/DFS/Vando so that their contracts can be traded in the off season for upgrades elsewhere on the roster. I don’t see him as a significant addition for this post season but he should still be added just in case. His payoff tho is mainly for the off season. |
Indeed. Goodwin's value comes in the off-season where you go "Is Goodwin good enough to sign to a bargain deal that makes us able to move Gabe and/or DFS's contracts.".
But not "alright let's keep the guaranteed 10 ppg size and floor spacer on the bench and play this guy with Gabe/DFS/Vando with Rui back."
Goodwin is insurance for when people aren't there or having a bad game or in foul trouble. He's the guy you look at in the off-season when it comes to wonderinf if you want to keep DFS or Gabe's contracts on the roster or if he can contribute close enough to theirs that it makes them moveable. But he's not a guy that should actually be getting rotational minutes if DFS/Vando/Gabe are available as defenders and Rui is available as floor spacer and size
Starters:
Luka
Reaves
Rui
LeBron
Hayes
Bench:
Gabe
Vando
Knecht
DFS
There's your 9 you rotate with. Goodwin is your insurance if Gabe, Vando, DFS are having a bad game or in foul trouble, or Knecht is having a horrible night on O and D.
But he shouldn't automatically play in front of any of these guys in a serious rotation. The bench NEEDS scoring, and Knecht is the only one we can count on for that. On some nights Gabe can, but Vando nor DFS are reliable scoring from there.
I get that JJ has fallen in love with Goodwin, but he was in the G-League for a reason. And he's insurance for a reason. He's not meant to get real minutes if everyone's available, and his play doesn't merit it when everyone else is healthy, but JJ seems to have forgotten that. Rewarding Goodwin with minutes when everyone that fills the needs he was there for is available, while benching the guy that was averaging 14 points for us off the bench the last 11 games on 41% from three is Coaching idiocy and the kind of favoritism we got on Ham about. And not making a single adjustment and trotting out there with the same gameplan in a close game when the bench only had 2 points going into halftime was another. |
Yeah, not playing our worst defensive player when we are getting shredded on that end was some extreme "coaching idiocy". Offense wasn't the issue in the loss and playing DK instead wouldn't have helped in that game to say the least.
I'm surprised DK hasn't hooked you up with an autographed jersey and labeled you his official fan club president at this point. |
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| hype wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Great underdog story.
But redundant if DFS/Vando/Gabe are all available and Rui is healthy.
Gonna have to pick between him or Gabe in that scenario. He's not supposed to be getting minutes if all 4 are available and neither is in foul trouble or having a bad game.
Learned that the hard way last game. The "3 non-shooting/non-scoring" defensive guard lineups don't work and other teams will thank us whenever we run them. |
Agreed, Goodwin is just insurance at this point in the season for either Gabe/DFS/Vando being in foul trouble, missing time, or having an especially bad game. He has slightly better size than Gabe and less than DFS/Vando but if Rui is available then the size is taking care of too without Goodwin.
His value…if he keeps it up…is being able to get the type of production for vet min instead of having to spend double digit millions for it like Gabe/DFS/Vando so that their contracts can be traded in the off season for upgrades elsewhere on the roster. I don’t see him as a significant addition for this post season but he should still be added just in case. His payoff tho is mainly for the off season. |
Indeed. Goodwin's value comes in the off-season where you go "Is Goodwin good enough to sign to a bargain deal that makes us able to move Gabe and/or DFS's contracts.".
But not "alright let's keep the guaranteed 10 ppg size and floor spacer on the bench and play this guy with Gabe/DFS/Vando with Rui back."
Goodwin is insurance for when people aren't there or having a bad game or in foul trouble. He's the guy you look at in the off-season when it comes to wonderinf if you want to keep DFS or Gabe's contracts on the roster or if he can contribute close enough to theirs that it makes them moveable. But he's not a guy that should actually be getting rotational minutes if DFS/Vando/Gabe are available as defenders and Rui is available as floor spacer and size
Starters:
Luka
Reaves
Rui
LeBron
Hayes
Bench:
Gabe
Vando
Knecht
DFS
There's your 9 you rotate with. Goodwin is your insurance if Gabe, Vando, DFS are having a bad game or in foul trouble, or Knecht is having a horrible night on O and D.
But he shouldn't automatically play in front of any of these guys in a serious rotation. The bench NEEDS scoring, and Knecht is the only one we can count on for that. On some nights Gabe can, but Vando nor DFS are reliable scoring from there.
I get that JJ has fallen in love with Goodwin, but he was in the G-League for a reason. And he's insurance for a reason. He's not meant to get real minutes if everyone's available, and his play doesn't merit it when everyone else is healthy, but JJ seems to have forgotten that. Rewarding Goodwin with minutes when everyone that fills the needs he was there for is available, while benching the guy that was averaging 14 points for us off the bench the last 11 games on 41% from three is Coaching idiocy and the kind of favoritism we got on Ham about. And not making a single adjustment and trotting out there with the same gameplan in a close game when the bench only had 2 points going into halftime was another. |
Yeah, not playing our worst defensive player when we are getting shredded on that end was some extreme "coaching idiocy". Offe. |
It was very clear that running small defensive guards against the Bulls was not working, and them not being a threat to shoot threes themselves also wasn't helping matters. The Bulls went on a run that got them not just back into the game but got them into a rhythm, if not for Luka being on fire the game would have been a lot worse. But we had an opportunity coming out of halftime to make the proper adjustments and re-assert ourselves. But we came out in the 2nd half making the same mistakes.
You keep saying "Offense wasn't the problem" But running the wrong lineups IS a problem, especially when you're running non-shooting guard lineups out there that they will shoot over and score on.
The Coaching idiocy is playing a guy whom was only meant to be filler for missing pieces, minutes over someone that was producing and has a role outside of the people that are missing.
Goodwin is not there to play if DFS/Gabe/Vando and Rui are all available. He is redundant with Gabe. Gabe gives everything that Goodwin does and the 4 points + defense you expect from Goodwin you can get from DFS or Vando on other given night and they're actually proven at the NBA level to do it and aren't coming up from the G-League.
Knecht fills a role that the Lakers do not have, and that is bench scoring.
The idiocy of the Coach is taking a guy that is coming up from the G-League, whose players he'd be filling in space for are all available and he'd be redundant when paired with, and giving him minutes over a guy who has a skillset that we cannot replicate.
To put it in the simplest terms, If you have Gabe/DFS/Vando and Rui is available, Goodwin gives you nothing new, and you're already the Number 1 Defense without him.
Outside of Knecht, the Lakers have no consistent bench scoring. Knecht over the last 11 games was averaging 14 points for us and producing at a higher level than Goodwin in a role that we don't have anyone able to duplicate that he isn't redundant with.
So JJ playing Goodwin over him is basically playing Gabe 1 and Gabe 2 with each other but having no one replacing Knecht's production off the bench.
That's a terrible Coaching decision, no matter the outcome of the game.
Again, whenever JJ throws a 3-guard non-shooting lineup out there and the other team's defense knows they don't have to worry about any floor spacing from them defensively and can shoot over the guards JJ puts in front of them and trade 3s for 0s they will thank JJ every time.
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Kblo247!
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| hype wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Great underdog story.
But redundant if DFS/Vando/Gabe are all available and Rui is healthy.
Gonna have to pick between him or Gabe in that scenario. He's not supposed to be getting minutes if all 4 are available and neither is in foul trouble or having a bad game.
Learned that the hard way last game. The "3 non-shooting/non-scoring" defensive guard lineups don't work and other teams will thank us whenever we run them. |
Agreed, Goodwin is just insurance at this point in the season for either Gabe/DFS/Vando being in foul trouble, missing time, or having an especially bad game. He has slightly better size than Gabe and less than DFS/Vando but if Rui is available then the size is taking care of too without Goodwin.
His value…if he keeps it up…is being able to get the type of production for vet min instead of having to spend double digit millions for it like Gabe/DFS/Vando so that their contracts can be traded in the off season for upgrades elsewhere on the roster. I don’t see him as a significant addition for this post season but he should still be added just in case. His payoff tho is mainly for the off season. |
Indeed. Goodwin's value comes in the off-season where you go "Is Goodwin good enough to sign to a bargain deal that makes us able to move Gabe and/or DFS's contracts.".
But not "alright let's keep the guaranteed 10 ppg size and floor spacer on the bench and play this guy with Gabe/DFS/Vando with Rui back."
Goodwin is insurance for when people aren't there or having a bad game or in foul trouble. He's the guy you look at in the off-season when it comes to wonderinf if you want to keep DFS or Gabe's contracts on the roster or if he can contribute close enough to theirs that it makes them moveable. But he's not a guy that should actually be getting rotational minutes if DFS/Vando/Gabe are available as defenders and Rui is available as floor spacer and size
Starters:
Luka
Reaves
Rui
LeBron
Hayes
Bench:
Gabe
Vando
Knecht
DFS
There's your 9 you rotate with. Goodwin is your insurance if Gabe, Vando, DFS are having a bad game or in foul trouble, or Knecht is having a horrible night on O and D.
But he shouldn't automatically play in front of any of these guys in a serious rotation. The bench NEEDS scoring, and Knecht is the only one we can count on for that. On some nights Gabe can, but Vando nor DFS are reliable scoring from there.
I get that JJ has fallen in love with Goodwin, but he was in the G-League for a reason. And he's insurance for a reason. He's not meant to get real minutes if everyone's available, and his play doesn't merit it when everyone else is healthy, but JJ seems to have forgotten that. Rewarding Goodwin with minutes when everyone that fills the needs he was there for is available, while benching the guy that was averaging 14 points for us off the bench the last 11 games on 41% from three is Coaching idiocy and the kind of favoritism we got on Ham about. And not making a single adjustment and trotting out there with the same gameplan in a close game when the bench only had 2 points going into halftime was another. |
Yeah, not playing our worst defensive player when we are getting shredded on that end was some extreme "coaching idiocy". Offense wasn't the issue in the loss and playing DK instead wouldn't have helped in that game to say the least.
I'm surprised DK hasn't hooked you up with an autographed jersey and labeled you his official fan club president at this point. |
The transfer papers from being Dlo number 1 apologist and excuse maker (really said bench Reaves for him, take Bron off ball, and blamed JJ) hasn’t been processed yet for Dalton to send the care package … so he’s auditioning between being a Vando and Dalton apologist to hedge his bets |
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| Quote: | This is the 19th and final game for Jordan Goodwin on the active list.
The Lakers will need to convert the Two-Way contract for Goodwin to be eligible for the remaining regular season games and postseason.
The Lakers would need to clear a roster spot. |
No more mins for Goodwin for now. |
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| Still can't believe Cam hasn't been waived, guess Goodwin will be inactive against Chitown. |
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Games of eligibility left?
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| ThreePointBomber wrote: | | Games of eligibility left? |
None. He can't play anymore with this current contract. |
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| Quote: | | The Los Angeles Lakers are converting two-way Jordan Goodwin to a standard NBA contract, making him playoff eligible, sources tell ESPN. Goodwin has emerged as a key reserve for JJ Redick, averaging 6.4 points, 3.9 rebounds and 20.5 minutes while shooting 41% from 3. |
| Quote: | | The Lakers are waiving Cam Reddish to create roster space for Goodwin, sources tell ESPN. Goodwin has grabbed at least one offensive rebound in 18 of his 19 games played, providing a spark for the Lakers off the bench. |
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Well deserved.
Great that we are done operating as Klutch’s bank account. |
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Must be a great feeling to know he's going to get playoff run.
Congrats my man! |
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Team option for next year. Excellent.
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| I like, very nice! |
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Not a fan of his. I was at first. But not anymore. he has some really low IQ lowlights. That are frustrating to watch.
I get he’s the 9-10th man in our rotation, though. We aren’t get anyone better this year. So I get it. He’s better than Cam. That’s for sure.
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| kikanga wrote: | Not a fan of his. I was at first. But not anymore. he has some really low IQ lowlights. That are frustrating to watch.
I get he’s the 9-10th man in our rotation, though. We aren’t get anyone better this year. So I get it. He’s better than Cam. That’s for sure. |
You're not going to do much better at the league minimum.
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| Just want to quietly point out he's averaging 41% from 3 this year on 2.4 attempts per game over 19 games, so he's 100% earned that contract |
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| I like this kid's moxie. His downside in the playoffs is he needs to be able to keep his emotions under control and not make over-zealous mistakes. |
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| Diet Bruce Brown for the price of a Happy Meal. |
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hype
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Not a fan of his. I was at first. But not anymore. he has some really low IQ lowlights. That are frustrating to watch.
I get he’s the 9-10th man in our rotation, though. We aren’t get anyone better this year. So I get it. He’s better than Cam. That’s for sure. |
You're not going to do much better at the league minimum. |
Facts.
I mean, he took Cam Reddish's spot who looked like he was completely just going through the motions when he had a chance to prove he deserved more time. Get that trash tf out of here and i'll happily take Goodwin who might be far from a perfect player but has had his hand in several big wins this Season. |
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| drae wrote: | | Just want to quietly point out he's averaging 41% from 3 this year on 2.4 attempts per game over 19 games, so he's 100% earned that contract |
First 10 games he shot 12/25 from three 48% taking 2.5 threes a game.
Last 9 games he's shot 7/21 from three 33% taking 2.3 threes a game.
Which is closer to what he's done through his career.
This is why defenses play off him now and don't care about him shooting wide open threes. He regressed down to the mean and they're willing to play the momentum and the averages, because even if he burns them, statistically, it's only going to happen less than once a game. So they're willing to play the averages.
If he was an actual consistent 41% three point shooter though, they'd be more stuck to him.
He's about as good as you'd get as an end of the bench guy for the vets minimum though.
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| ocho wrote: | | Team option for next year. Excellent. |
FWIW, Spotrac also has the second year as non-guaranteed. That comes with a significantly later decision point than team option which has to be exercised before the start of free agency.
| Quote: | | Jordan Goodwin signed a 2 year, $2,573,296 contract with the Los Angeles Lakers, including $223,718 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $1,286,648. In 2024-25, Goodwin will earn a base salary of $223,718, while carrying a cap hit of $223,718 |
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| MJST wrote: | | drae wrote: | | Just want to quietly point out he's averaging 41% from 3 this year on 2.4 attempts per game over 19 games, so he's 100% earned that contract |
First 10 games he shot 12/25 from three 48% taking 2.5 threes a game.
Last 9 games he's shot 7/21 from three 33% taking 2.3 threes a game.
Which is closer to what he's done through his career.
This is why defenses play off him now and don't care about him shooting wide open threes. He regressed down to the mean and they're willing to play the momentum and the averages, because even if he burns them, statistically, it's only going to happen less than once a game. So they're willing to play the averages.
If he was an actual consistent 41% three point shooter though, they'd be more stuck to him.
He's about as good as you'd get as an end of the bench guy for the vets minimum though. |
Did he have Luka/Bron/AR getting him wide open looks in the past because that kind of changes everything. There's been guys who have found their shots later in there career (He's still barely 26 as well) even without getting those kind of looks and he's always been a 40%+ from the sides I believe?
Who knows for sure what he will be for the rest of this Season and possibly next Season but it's kind of silly to say he will go back to his "averages" when he's a guy that has been all over the place while in and out of the G-League as well. He has no true "average" when he's never even had much consistency playing time wise especially on a good team.
Most 3 point shooters aren't "consistent" anyways and the few that are get massive paydays. If he can provide good defense/energy and give us an overall 35-37%+ from 3 for an entire Season i'll take that happily. Much like Vando and especially DK, he's going to get more or less minutes depending on matchups/injuries and how he looks on any given night. I absolutely think he can still grow though into becoming a more concrete rotation player but like you said he has to prove it over time. |
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | The Los Angeles Lakers are converting two-way Jordan Goodwin to a standard NBA contract, making him playoff eligible, sources tell ESPN. Goodwin has emerged as a key reserve for JJ Redick, averaging 6.4 points, 3.9 rebounds and 20.5 minutes while shooting 41% from 3. |
| Quote: | | The Lakers are waiving Cam Reddish to create roster space for Goodwin, sources tell ESPN. Goodwin has grabbed at least one offensive rebound in 18 of his 19 games played, providing a spark for the Lakers off the bench. |
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I honestly expect Goodwin to get the time of Vando and Dalton by the second round. They are both so inconsistent on one end and make so many link headed decisions at times that they will give him the 8th man rotation spot while the starters mainly rely of DFS and Gabe |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | The Los Angeles Lakers are converting two-way Jordan Goodwin to a standard NBA contract, making him playoff eligible, sources tell ESPN. Goodwin has emerged as a key reserve for JJ Redick, averaging 6.4 points, 3.9 rebounds and 20.5 minutes while shooting 41% from 3. |
| Quote: | | The Lakers are waiving Cam Reddish to create roster space for Goodwin, sources tell ESPN. Goodwin has grabbed at least one offensive rebound in 18 of his 19 games played, providing a spark for the Lakers off the bench. |
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I honestly expect Goodwin to get the time of Vando and Dalton by the second round. They are both so inconsistent on one end and make so many link headed decisions at times that they will give him the 8th man rotation spot while the starters mainly rely of DFS and Gabe |
It’s a darn shame that the three players added to the starters for an 8-man rotation won’t be Hayes/DFS/Gabe. It would be a totally different scenario with a legitimate starting C. Vando/Knecht/Goodwin should be bonus plays. Rob left us 1 man short.
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