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| Quote: | Jordan Goodwin's two-year minimum contract with the Los Angeles Lakers includes a team option for the 2025-26 season, a league source told @spotrac.
If the Lakers pick up that team option, there's a small partial guarantee that will trigger. The deal becomes fully guaranteed on the league-wide date in January |
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LAKERMIKE2
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 3:38 am Post subject: |
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This guy should not & cannot get more minutes than Gabe!
Goodwin is basically useless in rotation in important games unless desperate from injuries. J.J. is playing him too much, Gabe hardly played vs GS in 2nd half? I’d rather see Gabe in the game even if his shot isn’t falling, he’s a vet & knows the game & players way better & where to be on offense & defense.
I would even try Shake or DK4 for 10 minutes.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Again, it's Gabe, or it's Goodwin.
It's or, not and.
Till JJ realizes that, unnecessary struggle happens.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I would rather give Goodwin’s minutes to Vando. Their margin of difference on offense is not that impactful but Vando is a much better rebounder. If Vando can grab some offensive rebounds that actually helps the team’s offense that wouldn’t show up on the box score |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Goodwin needs to sit. All of his goodwill should be gone at this point. DK4 should be getting his time for now and let Goodwin be the one to try to earn his time back. |
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hype
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | Goodwin needs to sit. All of his goodwill should be gone at this point. DK4 should be getting his time for now and let Goodwin be the one to try to earn his time back. |
DK is still consistently messing up on routine defensive plays.. The last time he played he made abysmal decisions on back to back possessions and was instantly pulled by JJ.. Then, he didn't play against the Warriors and Tonight he looked good offensively to start but had his consistent basic defensive miscue again which Stu was even talking about for a few minutes.
Goodwin is an upgrade defensively and DK is an upgrade defensively at this point.
Goodwin helped us get 3-4 baskets earlier tonight off his defensive energy and offensive rebounding alone. There's two sides in basketball and DK clearly has a MUCH higher overall ceiling but he looks every bit like a young 18-19 year old Rookie defensively and def. not NBA ready 24 which I was hoping. I do agree he should be playing bigger than usual minutes Tonight at least though to continue giving him some gametime reps. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| hype wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | Goodwin needs to sit. All of his goodwill should be gone at this point. DK4 should be getting his time for now and let Goodwin be the one to try to earn his time back. |
DK is still consistently messing up on routine defensive plays.. The last time he played he made abysmal decisions on back to back possessions and was instantly pulled by JJ.. Then, he didn't play against the Warriors and Tonight he looked good offensively to start but had his consistent basic defensive miscue again which Stu was even talking about for a few minutes.
Goodwin is an upgrade defensively and DK is an upgrade defensively at this point.
Goodwin helped us get 3-4 baskets earlier tonight off his defensive energy and offensive rebounding alone. There's two sides in basketball and DK clearly has a MUCH higher overall ceiling but he looks every bit like a young 18-19 year old Rookie defensively and def. not NBA ready 24 which I was hoping. I do agree he should be playing bigger than usual minutes Tonight at least though to continue giving him some gametime reps. |
Goodwin has been ass. His hustle d hasn’t been very effective lately, combined with his complete lack of O and he’s been basically unplayable. Looks like JJ is finally acknowledging it since Goodie was benched almost the entire second half with zero minutes in the fourth so far. |
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hype
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | hype wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | Goodwin needs to sit. All of his goodwill should be gone at this point. DK4 should be getting his time for now and let Goodwin be the one to try to earn his time back. |
DK is still consistently messing up on routine defensive plays.. The last time he played he made abysmal decisions on back to back possessions and was instantly pulled by JJ.. Then, he didn't play against the Warriors and Tonight he looked good offensively to start but had his consistent basic defensive miscue again which Stu was even talking about for a few minutes.
Goodwin is an upgrade defensively and DK is an upgrade defensively at this point.
Goodwin helped us get 3-4 baskets earlier tonight off his defensive energy and offensive rebounding alone. There's two sides in basketball and DK clearly has a MUCH higher overall ceiling but he looks every bit like a young 18-19 year old Rookie defensively and def. not NBA ready 24 which I was hoping. I do agree he should be playing bigger than usual minutes Tonight at least though to continue giving him some gametime reps. |
Goodwin has been ass. His hustle d hasn’t been very effective lately, combined with his complete lack of O and he’s been basically unplayable. Looks like JJ is finally acknowledging it since Goodie was benched almost the entire second half with zero minutes in the fourth so far. |
Yeah, it's kind of a lose, lose situation currently which is what I was trying to say. I think his hustle causing problems has been pretty consistent though outside of the Warriors game which everyone but maybe 3 players played well. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Goodwin finally gets in the game late in the fourth after the team put the Pelicans away. That, plus some spot minutes early as a POA defender, should be his final role for a bit until he shows he deserves more. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| He made some plays early in the first half but that lob attempt should have him glued to the bench for the foreseeable future |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He made some plays early in the first half but that lob attempt should have him glued to the bench for the foreseeable future |
I have no idea what he was thinking. Lebron had no lane there with a defender in the way. And even if he did, Lebron had zero chance at getting to that ball with how early Goodwin threw it. Zero court awareness at all. |
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| To be clear, I like Goodwin and am very happy he’s on the team and with a team option for next season, iirc. But he needs to show he deserves minutes like any other fringe guy. His early stints with us earned a lot of benefit of the doubt, but that should have run out a long time ago. He’s gotta produce to continue getting the minutes he has been, and he hasn’t shown much more than DK4 the last couple of weeks. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Cant have Vando and goodwin geting legit minutes.
Dalton needs burn. Yes his defense is meh but i'd rather have meh defense and legit threat on offense than a guy who hustles but commits assault on the rim on a regular basis. |
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lakersfan8
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Goodwin and DK are completely different players. I don’t think they are fighting minutes against each other. Goodwin is flighting minutes with Gabe and Vando |
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hype
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| TMG wrote: | Cant have Vando and goodwin geting legit minutes.
Dalton needs burn. Yes his defense is meh but i'd rather have meh defense and legit threat on offense than a guy who hustles but commits assault on the rim on a regular basis. |
Just to be clear myself.. I agree Dalton needs more burn as well but for a Coach that's trying to preach defense and get it back to an elite level heading into the Playoffs it's tough with a guy like DK who is making very basic mistakes on that end. I think he's clearly improving though and some of the mistakes will likely only get better with simple experience and reps. He looks like he's thinking too much at times which isn't crazy for a Rookie but still a reality.
The one thing I couldn't agree more with though is not playing Goodwin and Vando (he hasn't even been himself defensively let alone his horrendous offense) together especially as Goodwin struggles offensively as well recently.
If it's a game where Gabe and DFS are struggling as well then it just compounds the problem that much more and creates some of those abysmal 4-6 minute scoring droughts. In that case, the defense obviously isn't worth it anymore if you can't score at all. In those kind of situations especially is where JJ needs to try and sense it happening imo and throw in DK for a stretch to completely change things up. He's clearly a pure shooter and regardless of his defense at times there's always at the very minimum situations in dire need of his specialty. That's where i'd love to see him try and force more playing time by not only doing well offensively when asked but show continued improvement on the defensive end. He has some fire in him I think where he can at least become mediocre ish defensively if he's pushed and at that point he's likely a rotation player with his already decently polished offensive game. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| hype wrote: | | TMG wrote: | Cant have Vando and goodwin geting legit minutes.
Dalton needs burn. Yes his defense is meh but i'd rather have meh defense and legit threat on offense than a guy who hustles but commits assault on the rim on a regular basis. |
Just to be clear myself.. I agree Dalton needs more burn as well but for a Coach that's trying to preach defense and get it back to an elite level heading into the Playoffs it's tough with a guy like DK who is making very basic mistakes on that end. I think he's clearly improving though and some of the mistakes will likely only get better with simple experience and reps. He looks like he's thinking too much at times which isn't crazy for a Rookie but still a reality.
The one thing I couldn't agree more with though is not playing Goodwin and Vando (he hasn't even been himself defensively let alone his horrendous offense) together especially as Goodwin struggles offensively as well recently.
If it's a game where Gabe and DFS are struggling as well then it just compounds the problem that much more and creates some of those abysmal 4-6 minute scoring droughts. In that case, the defense obviously isn't worth it anymore if you can't score at all. In those kind of situations especially is where JJ needs to try and sense it happening imo and throw in DK for a stretch to completely change things up. He's clearly a pure shooter and regardless of his defense at times there's always at the very minimum situations in dire need of his specialty. That's where i'd love to see him try and force more playing time by not only doing well offensively when asked but show continued improvement on the defensive end. He has some fire in him I think where he can at least become mediocre ish defensively if he's pushed and at that point he's likely a rotation player with his already decently polished offensive game. |
Yeah this is a spot on take and summary of how to best use those 3. Vando gets the edge in minutes over Goodwin to support the lack of size but yeah never play them together and DK is an emergency scorer. We may when see JJ dial up Vincent and DFS's minutes by a few. I'm also interested to see if Hayes keeps or gains a few minutes. |
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| hype wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | Goodwin needs to sit. All of his goodwill should be gone at this point. DK4 should be getting his time for now and let Goodwin be the one to try to earn his time back. |
DK is still consistently messing up on routine defensive plays.. The last time he played he made abysmal decisions on back to back possessions and was instantly pulled by JJ.. Then, he didn't play against the Warriors and Tonight he looked good offensively to start but had his consistent basic defensive miscue again which Stu was even talking about for a few minutes.
Goodwin is an upgrade defensively and DK is an upgrade defensively at this point.
Goodwin helped us get 3-4 baskets earlier tonight off his defensive energy and offensive rebounding alone. There's two sides in basketball and DK clearly has a MUCH higher overall ceiling but he looks every bit like a young 18-19 year old Rookie defensively and def. not NBA ready 24 which I was hoping. I do agree he should be playing bigger than usual minutes Tonight at least though to continue giving him some gametime reps. |
Sometimes I wonder if people understand the objective of the game of basketball? Which is to score more points than your opponent. Does anyone remember Tony Allen? Great defender, Does anyone remember what Steve Kerr did to him in the playoffs? Played him off the court and actually had Bogut a center guarding him. Same with Rudy Gobert, gets played off the court in the playoffs because he can't score. Minnesota was a better team against Denver without him on the court last year.
The same thing will happen to Vando and Goodwin, because as good as they are defensively, they are horrible offensive player, Vando even more so, because he screws up the offense even when he is wide open. Defense is great but if your player is just a defender and nothing else, he's useless in today's NBA. And it's not like Goodwin is even doing anything on the defensive end, like when he didn't have a contract. He's not destructive, he doesn't pick up fullcourt (At least with Dennis Schredder he gave you that POA) He gets a couple of offensive rebounding but when your bench produces only 21 points and 12 of them came from Dalton against the Pelicans and 7 against the Warriors and you have a 9 ppg player on the bench who can explode for 30 because you think he stinks on defense but your defenders arent stopping anyone or giving you anything, then sorry you have failed as a coach. |
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| Nice effort today. Flashing middle when the Thunder were trapping Luka helped a lot. I guess he really is trying to bank those straight on floaters in. I kept thinking he was getting a little lucky on those, but he’s done it too many times now. It looks ugly to me, but I guess it works. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2025 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| lilmomo wrote: | | hype wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | Goodwin needs to sit. All of his goodwill should be gone at this point. DK4 should be getting his time for now and let Goodwin be the one to try to earn his time back. |
DK is still consistently messing up on routine defensive plays.. The last time he played he made abysmal decisions on back to back possessions and was instantly pulled by JJ.. Then, he didn't play against the Warriors and Tonight he looked good offensively to start but had his consistent basic defensive miscue again which Stu was even talking about for a few minutes.
Goodwin is an upgrade defensively and DK is an upgrade defensively at this point.
Goodwin helped us get 3-4 baskets earlier tonight off his defensive energy and offensive rebounding alone. There's two sides in basketball and DK clearly has a MUCH higher overall ceiling but he looks every bit like a young 18-19 year old Rookie defensively and def. not NBA ready 24 which I was hoping. I do agree he should be playing bigger than usual minutes Tonight at least though to continue giving him some gametime reps. |
Sometimes I wonder if people understand the objective of the game of basketball? Which is to score more points than your opponent. Does anyone remember Tony Allen? Great defender, Does anyone remember what Steve Kerr did to him in the playoffs? Played him off the court and actually had Bogut a center guarding him. Same with Rudy Gobert, gets played off the court in the playoffs because he can't score. Minnesota was a better team against Denver without him on the court last year.
The same thing will happen to Vando and Goodwin, because as good as they are defensively, they are horrible offensive player, Vando even more so, because he screws up the offense even when he is wide open. Defense is great but if your player is just a defender and nothing else, he's useless in today's NBA. And it's not like Goodwin is even doing anything on the defensive end, like when he didn't have a contract. He's not destructive, he doesn't pick up fullcourt (At least with Dennis Schredder he gave you that POA) He gets a couple of offensive rebounding but when your bench produces only 21 points and 12 of them came from Dalton against the Pelicans and 7 against the Warriors and you have a 9 ppg player on the bench who can explode for 30 because you think he stinks on defense but your defenders arent stopping anyone or giving you anything, then sorry you have failed as a coach. |
Yeah, me and JJ clearly can't understand the objective of the game of basketball. I truly hope someone from the Lakers see's this and gets you in that Coaching room soon to spit some game and lay that great, great understanding out for them to see and finally open their eyes. I have a strong feeling Ham probably feels exactly the same way you do lilmomo!
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| Goodwin seemed to be a lot better offensively in those initial games that he played. He looks like a different player from what we saw earlier. It's like that early offensive production was a mirage. |
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| ducasse wrote: | | Goodwin seemed to be a lot better offensively in those initial games that he played. He looks like a different player from what we saw earlier. It's like that early offensive production was a mirage. |
Yeah, it's a shame just how much of a change it's been. I never expected him to remain 40+% from 3 but the fall has been crazy. It seems like he gets especially extra confident when his entire unit and especially himself are tearing it up defensively. He was kind of reminding me of Jordan Farmar a bit in that way especially during that great stretch.
I think with our defensive intensity turning up again especially once in the Playoffs we might see some "flashbacks" of his earlier Season play. Or at least i'd love to see it happen! |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| This guy needs to work on his passing. He seems like he makes 1-2 dumb passes a game that leads to the opponent scoring. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Goodwin is the perfect example of a very helpful role player who likes to fly around at 100 mph and so its very simple how we need to deal with him. Keep things simple on offense. Shoot corner threes and attack close outs with a direct line drive attack to the rim and only pass if you are obstructed in said line drive. On offense, the only chaos he needs to bring is when he is going for offensive rebounds. Keep things very simple. Defensively keep being the chaotic beast you are. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | Goodwin is the perfect example of a very helpful role player who likes to fly around at 100 mph and so its very simple how we need to deal with him. Keep things simple on offense. Shoot corner threes and attack close outs with a direct line drive attack to the rim and only pass if you are obstructed in said line drive. On offense, the only chaos he needs to bring is when he is going for offensive rebounds. Keep things very simple. Defensively keep being the chaotic beast you are. |
You just described Bruce Brown when he first was a Net. He developed overtime in to the guy who started next to KD and Kyrie (played well in the playoffs) and then became what we saw in Denver |
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| He had a nice game. Threw a lob to Rui and had a nice bank-shot floater as the roll man. He also had 5 rebounds, his activity on the boards is enough to warrant his 8-10 MPG. |
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