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TMG
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 Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:04 pm Post subject: That Zubac trade is shaping up to be one of the worst trades in history |
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Seriously what in the hell went through Earvins head?
I refuse to call him magic as a GM because his tenure resembled more chaos than Magic. If any Magic at all.
Ivica Zubac is averaging 20/11 for this month.
He's averaging 16/12 for the season.
WE GAVE THIS DUDE AWAY FOR MIKE (bleep) MUSCALA
Not only did we give him away....
WE GAVE HIM AWAY TO THE CLIPPERS.
This dude just made the Cavs bigs look like the biggest (bleep) on the floor. He alone dominated both Allen And Mobley.
What in the actual (bleep) Earvin.....
I just needed to vent after seeing Zubac ball out yet again. |
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It was a bad trade, but come on.
That very same team gave up a future superstar, 5 draft picks, and 4 pick swaps for players that peaked at 1 WCF appearance.
The Mavericks just gave up a known superstar in his prime for 31 year old AD, and a solid role player, and a FRP.
It doesn't come close to that level of bad trades.
Zubac is nice, but I legit would be concerned about a C like that defending in space in the post-season.
Definitely awful trade considering Muscala wasn't that good even at the time, but there've been trades that completely destroyed teams' futures like the 2 that I mentioned. |
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| Japago wrote: | It was a bad trade, but come on.
That very same team gave up a future superstar, 5 draft picks, and 4 pick swaps for players that peaked at 1 WCF appearance.
The Mavericks just gave up a known superstar in his prime for 31 year old AD, and a solid role player, and a FRP.
It doesn't come close to that level of bad trades.
Zubac is nice, but I legit would be concerned about a C like that defending in space in the post-season.
Definitely awful trade considering Muscala wasn't that good even at the time, but there've been trades that completely destroyed teams' futures like the 2 that I mentioned. |
Alright i was being overly hyperbolic but still.
I want someone in LA to ask Magic that damn question.
ONLY thing i can think of is he thought Muscala would fit Lebron better or something?
And even if thats the case it's still horrid.
Yes i agree that those other trades were far worse.
much much worse.
BUT MUSCALA! |
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| The trade was bad when it was made, hindsight makes it look even worse, but really hindsight isn't relevant - even if Zubac hadn't improved the trade was still bad - Zubac had shown a lot already and was really young. |
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Relax, Not like Muscala retired already or anything
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| where does the westbrook trade rank? |
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| TMG wrote: | | Japago wrote: | It was a bad trade, but come on.
That very same team gave up a future superstar, 5 draft picks, and 4 pick swaps for players that peaked at 1 WCF appearance.
The Mavericks just gave up a known superstar in his prime for 31 year old AD, and a solid role player, and a FRP.
It doesn't come close to that level of bad trades.
Zubac is nice, but I legit would be concerned about a C like that defending in space in the post-season.
Definitely awful trade considering Muscala wasn't that good even at the time, but there've been trades that completely destroyed teams' futures like the 2 that I mentioned. |
Alright i was being overly hyperbolic but still.
I want someone in LA to ask Magic that damn question.
ONLY thing i can think of is he thought Muscala would fit Lebron better or something?
And even if thats the case it's still horrid.
Yes i agree that those other trades were far worse.
much much worse.
BUT MUSCALA! |
If I recall correctly, he did it to placate JaVale McGee.
Not the worst trade in history (Westbrook says hello), but one of the most idiotic for sure. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| yeah, McGee went crying to Magic over Zu taken over his playing time, and Magic went ahead and trade Zu. |
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Magic - horrible GM.
but Zubac will get played off the court in the playoffs. This is where the game is at… |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Idk about “in history” but I am certainly unhappy with that trade lol |
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I have felt I mention this far too often herein, as I have never gotten over it, so I'm glad others continue to see this as a (Bill Walton) h-o-r-r-i-b-l-e deal.
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| Japago wrote: | It was a bad trade, but come on.
That very same team gave up a future superstar, 5 draft picks, and 4 pick swaps for players that peaked at 1 WCF appearance.
The Mavericks just gave up a known superstar in his prime for 31 year old AD, and a solid role player, and a FRP.
It doesn't come close to that level of bad trades.
Zubac is nice, but I legit would be concerned about a C like that defending in space in the post-season.
Definitely awful trade considering Muscala wasn't that good even at the time, but there've been trades that completely destroyed teams' futures like the 2 that I mentioned. |
It wasn't the worst trade in history, but maybe the most aggravating. LOL! Only because, you didn't have to be an expert to see it was a bad trade. It felt like a casual was making decisions for the Lakers. A guy who used to throw the ball into Kareem, Mychal Thompson, Vlade Divac, etc. I never thought Magic, of all people, would be blind to Zubac's value. The PG13/Kawhi trade was at least a swing at something. They went all in, and it was a bust. But at least, we could see possible homerun they were trying to hit. The Zubac trade was a charity handout for no reason. Made me super mad hearing Jerry West re-tell the story, about how they got the call, they were shocked, they agreed, hung up and laughed. Very much like Nico calling Rob, but on a lower scale. LOL!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:42 am Post subject: Re: That Zubac trade is shaping up to be one of the worst trades in history |
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| TMG wrote: | Seriously what in the hell went through Earvins head?
I refuse to call him magic as a GM because his tenure resembled more chaos than Magic. If any Magic at all.
Ivica Zubac is averaging 20/11 for this month.
He's averaging 16/12 for the season.
WE GAVE THIS DUDE AWAY FOR MIKE (bleep) MUSCALA
Not only did we give him away....
WE GAVE HIM AWAY TO THE CLIPPERS.
This dude just made the Cavs bigs look like the biggest (bleep) on the floor. He alone dominated both Allen And Mobley.
What in the actual (bleep) Earvin.....
I just needed to vent after seeing Zubac ball out yet again. |
Lost Zubac and Brook Lopez for nothing. Two perfect fits.
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| lakersfan32 wrote: | | where does the westbrook trade rank? |
Westbrook doesn't exist in this forum.
Like Stalin did erasing politicians from photos erasing them from history lakersground and lakers in general have erased Westbrook from lakers history completely.
Those seasons never happened. The world went dark for a period. |
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TMG
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 8:26 am Post subject: Re: That Zubac trade is shaping up to be one of the worst trades in history |
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| MJST wrote: | | TMG wrote: | Seriously what in the hell went through Earvins head?
I refuse to call him magic as a GM because his tenure resembled more chaos than Magic. If any Magic at all.
Ivica Zubac is averaging 20/11 for this month.
He's averaging 16/12 for the season.
WE GAVE THIS DUDE AWAY FOR MIKE (bleep) MUSCALA
Not only did we give him away....
WE GAVE HIM AWAY TO THE CLIPPERS.
This dude just made the Cavs bigs look like the biggest (bleep) on the floor. He alone dominated both Allen And Mobley.
What in the actual (bleep) Earvin.....
I just needed to vent after seeing Zubac ball out yet again. |
Lost Zubac and Brook Lopez for nothing. Two perfect fits. |
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TMG
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| markjay wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | Japago wrote: | It was a bad trade, but come on.
That very same team gave up a future superstar, 5 draft picks, and 4 pick swaps for players that peaked at 1 WCF appearance.
The Mavericks just gave up a known superstar in his prime for 31 year old AD, and a solid role player, and a FRP.
It doesn't come close to that level of bad trades.
Zubac is nice, but I legit would be concerned about a C like that defending in space in the post-season.
Definitely awful trade considering Muscala wasn't that good even at the time, but there've been trades that completely destroyed teams' futures like the 2 that I mentioned. |
Alright i was being overly hyperbolic but still.
I want someone in LA to ask Magic that damn question.
ONLY thing i can think of is he thought Muscala would fit Lebron better or something?
And even if thats the case it's still horrid.
Yes i agree that those other trades were far worse.
much much worse.
BUT MUSCALA! |
If I recall correctly, he did it to placate JaVale McGee.
Not the worst trade in history (Westbrook says hello), but one of the most idiotic for sure. |
that is absolutely BONKERS...Who in the hell is Mcgee to make demands lol? Sure he was great in 2020 but so would Zubac have been if not better under that team.
the fact that Earvin listened to him  |
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Beating a dead horse.
Let's be perfectly clear..... Zubac is not a Luka Doncic. js |
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Zubac was traded as a salary dump. Lakers needed the cap space.
I get that the guy is having a career year 7 years after the trade, but let's not act like he's Jokic. He's solid NBA starting Center for teams (10/8 career) that want a traditional big, but he's never been an all star.
I don't know that he'd fit our current style of play (seems slow of foot).
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I genuinely can’t believe people are STILL whining about trading a decent role player SIX YEARS ago.
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| ocho wrote: | | I genuinely can’t believe people are STILL whining about trading a decent role player SIX YEARS ago. |
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It wasn't a good trade but the Paul George trade got them back.
They literally had one of the best potential players fall in their lap and gave him up after a year..... |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | I genuinely can’t believe people are STILL whining about trading a decent role player SIX YEARS ago. |
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| ocho wrote: | | I genuinely can’t believe people are STILL whining about trading a decent role player SIX YEARS ago. |
I think he's a little more than decent when you have to double him. Decent players move around. Zubac has been with just 2 teams, which means the first team made the mistake. He has more trade value than any of our Lakers outside our big 3. 16 pts, 12 boards, walking double double. He's a little more than decent.... But the Basketball Gods more than made up for it with Luka. 
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| How championships do the Clippers have with Zubac as center? And how many have The Lakers had since Zubac was traded? |
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| LakerLand247 wrote: | | How championships do the Clippers have with Zubac as center? And how many have The Lakers had since Zubac was traded? |
"Well, okay then..." Magic Johnson.
For those who don't know, that's basically Magic Johnson's question for Kimmel. That was his justification for the trade. When Kimmel said zero.. Magic said, well okay then.
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