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venturalakersfan
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | “Time to eliminate more revenue” said no sports executive ever. |
This is exactly what this is about and why it won't go away. The NBA is searching for new revenue streams and more playoff games equals more money. Its the same reason why MLB has added more teams to their postseason and why there are more NFL teams eligible for wild card spots these days. |
And expansion in any league. Expanding puts lots of money in the current owners’ pockets without having to do anything. This post season, I think that the playoffs will be more entertaining because of the play in teams. In the West at least.
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| TMG wrote: | We just witnessed a game 7 like enviroment and probably the best game in the regular season all because of the play-in
Play-in are the best thing thats happened to the NBA in a damn good while.
We got to the WCF from the play-ins.
Heat went to the finals from the play in. |
Yeah, I get some peoples frustration with how this Year's #3-8 seeds were only separated by 2 games yet the 9-10 seeds were 10 and 11 games back while not even having winning records and now two near 50 win teams have to beat these trash teams after having a much better regular Season and were just 1-2 wins away from being a 3 seed instead?
Normally, it's a bit closer than that and even though the east is weak asf as usual those last few seeds were still within striking distance so it made sense.
I personally love that it at worst keeps a decent amount of teams from tanking and/or sitting players towards the end of the Season which gives us much more entertainment all the way down to the wire. Like you said that Clippers/Warriors game was one of the better games from the entire Season. So you have to take the good with the bad on this one.
Might as well just do a Playoff bracket with the top 16-20 teams regardless of Conference but I don't see that happening anytime soon and most likely ever.
They really need to focus on the refs more than anything imo.. They should have a system that docks refs in some way (point system, fines, or whatever) for missed calls they should have made and maybe even make some random award or two for the refs that perform the best. I obviously see this having even less of a chance happening than anything I said above but is something i'd be legitimately excited about.
Even if they did implement it though it would probably just disappear after a Season or two much like when they said they were going to clean up flopping. Players and Coaches get massive fines/suspended for bringing up awful official jobs yet they get to have it all conveniently brushed under the carpet with no real consequences. It's wild that someone could ref and clearly change the entire outcome and momentum of a game WILDLY like Orr did with Luka and several other calls in that second game against OKC yet avoid any real punishment/fine/ridicule after the 24-48 hours of articles that came out.. It's already in the rear view mirror and nobody cares about it anymore  |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | If lakers is the 9th seed, you would probably have a different opinion |
Tbh It does not really matter... I prefer the old format better because it's what I'm used to watching. This play-in stuff is all bs to me for money. I actually had a bigger issue on this on the previous 3 times we finished 7th because that would have been a guaranteed spot in the old format.
7th seed has a lot to lose and nothing to gain in the play-in. They still finish 7th seed even after they win. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| The play-in has been a huge success. It’s not going anywhere. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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It had the teams tied for 5-7 fighting hard until the last moment to avoid the play-in. Big success.
And it’s 6 national TV games the NBA can sell. They are not going to reduce revenues. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| LakersMD wrote: | | The play-in has been a huge success. It’s not going anywhere. |
It's going to be an even bigger success if Memphis beats GS tomorrow. LOL!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | LakersMD wrote: | | The play-in has been a huge success. It’s not going anywhere. |
It's going to be an even bigger success if Memphis beats GS tomorrow. LOL! |
Send that donkey Draymond to retirement. |
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I've been saying this every year since its introduction. I don't think teams should be penalized for obtaining the 7th and 8th seeds, especially if they are winning close to 50 games, which has been the case these last 2 seasons. We lost Zion and Jimmy last season because of the play-in games. It's clear they needed more rest and recovery before playing those games.
Silver is riding on gimmicks because that's all he has in a league that's losing popularity and ratings. Rather than bringing back defense and easing up on the 3pt inflation, he chooses to go the other way and add in even more vanity garbage like the NBA cup. Stern had his issues but at least he knew how to keep the fans entertained.
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For a couple of fan bases that don't get a chance to experience playoff games regularly, it gives them a sense that they did (in a twisted kinda way). These are knock-out elimination games.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Play-in almost cost them Ja Morant tonight... Let's see if he will be healthy enough next game. |
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I think the play in has been good for the league's goal which is to avoid tanking. It also has led to more competitive ball down the stretch. You are seeing less and less of those teams that mail it in in March.
Personally, I didn't care for it at first, but now appreciate it. |
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I like it as long as we are not in it
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Time to abolish Play-In Games... |
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| miggz23 wrote: | It's BS that a team 8 games out of 8th seed have a chance to knock out any team in the 7th and 8th seed... Imagine you work hard all season to get with in top 8, and get knocked out due to a team getting hot for 1 game. Also you have to play an extra game or 2 and some gets injured. (I believe Butler got hurt last season during play-in)
Just go back to the old format and stretch the season another week to get rid of back to back games late in the season. |
The Lakers are a big reason it exists. Imagine the Lakers dropped a ton of games when LeBron was hurt and once they get healthy again, they’re the best team in the league but too far back to get the 8 spot. Meanwhile one of the 8th seed lost its star player to injury and has no chance in the playoffs. The playin allows the league to avoid these disasters. |
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| giordan0 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | LakersMD wrote: | | The play-in has been a huge success. It’s not going anywhere. |
It's going to be an even bigger success if Memphis beats GS tomorrow. LOL! |
Send that donkey Draymond to retirement. |
Not as successful as I had hoped. Lets abolish it. LOL!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| The reason why the playin tournament exists is because teams wouldn’t play their guys the last month of the season. They won’t shorten the season because it’s less money and owners/players won’t agree to that. It is exciting for teams fighting for seeding position to the last game of the schedule. They just need to take out the 10th seed and rework the matchups. |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Play-in almost cost them Ja Morant tonight... Let's see if he will be healthy enough next game. |
That's exactly why it blows. Players are skating on thin ice when the season ends, and then all of a sudden they are forced to go 150% in an elimination game. That's when all the injuries happen. Give em all a week or two off before playing the games.
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| Playins a good idea, the number of regular season games is not. Reduce the regular season and keep the playin |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Play-in almost cost them Ja Morant tonight... Let's see if he will be healthy enough next game. |
That's exactly why it blows. Players are skating on thin ice when the season ends, and then all of a sudden they are forced to go 150% in an elimination game. That's when all the injuries happen. Give em all a week or two off before playing the games. |
Welp...
10th seed Heat, who was 3 games out of 8th seed and 8 games below .500 team just knocked out 8th seed Hawks.
82 games to earn the 8th seed, then imagine your whole season going down the drain because of stupid 1 game to a team not even close to sniffing the playoffs in the old format.
Grizz better win tonight or it will even look worse losing to a team 9 games out playoffs spot. |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Play-in almost cost them Ja Morant tonight... Let's see if he will be healthy enough next game. |
That's exactly why it blows. Players are skating on thin ice when the season ends, and then all of a sudden they are forced to go 150% in an elimination game. That's when all the injuries happen. Give em all a week or two off before playing the games. |
Welp...
10th seed Heat, who was 3 games out of 8th seed and 8 games below .500 team just knocked out 8th seed Hawks.
82 games to earn the 8th seed, then imagine your whole season going down the drain because of stupid 1 game to a team not even close to sniffing the playoffs in the old format.
Grizz better win tonight or it will even look worse losing to a team 9 games out playoffs spot. |
It makes the regular season games more important. You need to win more games to stay out of the 7th and 8th stop. It makes the 10th team less likely to just tank and keep trying. If you spent 82 games to struggle to 8th, your regular season record isn't important anyway |
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| drae wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Play-in almost cost them Ja Morant tonight... Let's see if he will be healthy enough next game. |
That's exactly why it blows. Players are skating on thin ice when the season ends, and then all of a sudden they are forced to go 150% in an elimination game. That's when all the injuries happen. Give em all a week or two off before playing the games. |
Welp...
10th seed Heat, who was 3 games out of 8th seed and 8 games below .500 team just knocked out 8th seed Hawks.
82 games to earn the 8th seed, then imagine your whole season going down the drain because of stupid 1 game to a team not even close to sniffing the playoffs in the old format.
Grizz better win tonight or it will even look worse losing to a team 9 games out playoffs spot. |
It makes the regular season games more important. You need to win more games to stay out of the 7th and 8th stop. It makes the 10th team less likely to just tank and keep trying. If you spent 82 games to struggle to 8th, your regular season record isn't important anyway |
How is a team who was 3+ games out of the final playoffs spot games are more important? Why should they have a chance to get lucky because of some stupid spirit of competition?
Let's be serious... Top and bottom teams were still sitting out players in the last month of the season... Tanking teams were still tanking.
If they don't want to get rid of it they need to change the rules of how many games 9th/10th seed are out of reach. With-in 2 games should be the cut-off. Anything more than 3+ should be automatically out.
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Best of 7 format determines the best team nearly 85-90% of the time, but best of 1 is pretty much a coinflip. It doesn't even give teams the chance to play chess and adjust. It's a checkers game because Silver wants his ratings, even if it comes at the expense of injuries. It's just not fair imo. I was saying the same thing when the Lakers were the recipients these past few seasons, so I'm not hypocritical. Just about the only thing I agreed with Bron on.
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| miggz23 wrote: | | drae wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Play-in almost cost them Ja Morant tonight... Let's see if he will be healthy enough next game. |
That's exactly why it blows. Players are skating on thin ice when the season ends, and then all of a sudden they are forced to go 150% in an elimination game. That's when all the injuries happen. Give em all a week or two off before playing the games. |
Welp...
10th seed Heat, who was 3 games out of 8th seed and 8 games below .500 team just knocked out 8th seed Hawks.
82 games to earn the 8th seed, then imagine your whole season going down the drain because of stupid 1 game to a team not even close to sniffing the playoffs in the old format.
Grizz better win tonight or it will even look worse losing to a team 9 games out playoffs spot. |
It makes the regular season games more important. You need to win more games to stay out of the 7th and 8th stop. It makes the 10th team less likely to just tank and keep trying. If you spent 82 games to struggle to 8th, your regular season record isn't important anyway |
How is a team who was 3+ games out of the final playoffs spot games are more important? Why should they have a chance to get lucky because of some stupid spirit of competition?
Let's be serious... Top and bottom teams were still sitting out players in the last month of the season... Tanking teams were still tanking.
If they don't want to get rid of it they need to change the rules or how many games 9th/10th seed are out of reach. |
Why should they have the chance to get lucky? Because nobody cares about the records of 7-10 teams. The league chooses the cut off for the Finals, they've changed it from top 8 to top 6 with 7-10 being a lottery. That lottery keeps teams playing til the last game and adds a bit of excitement for spectators.
It's a spectator sport after all, the spectator part being it has to bring in fans to the game. And the playins have been a commercial success.
Top and bottom teams were sitting out sure, but it prevented us for example from taking any game other than the last 1 off.
If people are concerned about injuries due to playing more games hard, reduce the number of games til below 70. Season's too long, teams play much harder than they did in the 80s when people were just standing around |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | drae wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Play-in almost cost them Ja Morant tonight... Let's see if he will be healthy enough next game. |
That's exactly why it blows. Players are skating on thin ice when the season ends, and then all of a sudden they are forced to go 150% in an elimination game. That's when all the injuries happen. Give em all a week or two off before playing the games. |
Welp...
10th seed Heat, who was 3 games out of 8th seed and 8 games below .500 team just knocked out 8th seed Hawks.
82 games to earn the 8th seed, then imagine your whole season going down the drain because of stupid 1 game to a team not even close to sniffing the playoffs in the old format.
Grizz better win tonight or it will even look worse losing to a team 9 games out playoffs spot. |
It makes the regular season games more important. You need to win more games to stay out of the 7th and 8th stop. It makes the 10th team less likely to just tank and keep trying. If you spent 82 games to struggle to 8th, your regular season record isn't important anyway |
How is a team who was 3+ games out of the final playoffs spot games are more important? Why should they have a chance to get lucky because of some stupid spirit of competition?
Let's be serious... Top and bottom teams were still sitting out players in the last month of the season... Tanking teams were still tanking.
If they don't want to get rid of it they need to change the rules or how many games 9th/10th seed are out of reach. |
Why should they have the chance to get lucky? Because nobody cares about the records of 7-10 teams. The league chooses the cut off for the Finals, they've changed it from top 8 to top 6 with 7-10 being a lottery. That lottery keeps teams playing til the last game and adds a bit of excitement for spectators.
It's a spectator sport after all, the spectator part being it has to bring in fans to the game. And the playins have been a commercial success.
Top and bottom teams were sitting out sure, but it prevented us for example from taking any game other than the last 1 off.
If people are concerned about injuries due to playing more games hard, reduce the number of games til below 70. Season's too long, teams play much harder than they did in the 80s when people were just standing around |
Reducing the season down to 70 games does not guarantee anything. Teams will still sit out players if injured. The same thing towards the end, top and bottom teams will sit out players. Teams close to each record wise will still compete. Tanking teams will tank. It's always been that way before the play-in... This also changes things for all stats record and will make things harder to break.
We're seeing both the good and the ugly of the play-in... NBA willing to sacrifice players health for ratings and profit is bs.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Play-in almost cost them Ja Morant tonight... Let's see if he will be healthy enough next game. |
That's exactly why it blows. Players are skating on thin ice when the season ends, and then all of a sudden they are forced to go 150% in an elimination game. That's when all the injuries happen. Give em all a week or two off before playing the games. |
Welp...
10th seed Heat, who was 3 games out of 8th seed and 8 games below .500 team just knocked out 8th seed Hawks.
82 games to earn the 8th seed, then imagine your whole season going down the drain because of stupid 1 game to a team not even close to sniffing the playoffs in the old format.
Grizz better win tonight or it will even look worse losing to a team 9 games out playoffs spot. |
In my view, Atl, Miami, and Chicago are all awful (though they all did manage to beat us during the regular season lol) so none of them deserve to be the playoffs. One will happen to get in because you need either 2, 4, or 8 teams from each conference to have a tournament-style playoff. Only LA and Miami have made noise as play-in teams and both happen to be 7/8. If you can't win one of two against borderline (if even) playoff teams then IMO you probably won't be a factor in the playoffs.
Someone did bring up a good idea though that if the 9/10th seed are too many games behind the 7/8th seed, then at least one of the play-in games should be cancelled. If 10th is too far behind 7th and 8th/9th are fairly close then the play-in just consists of the 8th/9th seed and maybe you make it double-elimination for the 8th seed and only single for the 9th seed. If even the 8th/9th record disparity is too high then no play-in altogether.
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I agree... abolish the playins... who cares about the additional revenue these games generate... f*ck money.
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