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jb2
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | Easy yes.
We lost:
(a) Harrell - an unplayable playoff big who can't shoot or defend who also we all fully expected and wanted to opt out unless it was to facilitate a trade. Addition by subtraction but his contract made the deal happen.
(b) Kuzma - and his whopping 28% playoff career 3pt shooting average with 3.3 rebound and .9 assists. On the biggest stage he plays his smallest. In meaningless games where there's no pressure, he puts up numbers. 99% of LG wanted him banished
(c) KCP - the only semblance of an important piece to this team. We will miss his shooting and defense but it was feast or famine with him. He's white hot or terrified to shoot. Still, only a role player that's easily replaceable.
(d) #22 - people are really complaining about this as the straw that broke the camel's back but we also got back two 2nd rounders. Are they in 24 and all the way in 28, sure. But those are the years we'll start to need to address our lack of assets to add youth and without question they will be in the the 30-40 range.
I'm sorry but I'm not seeing what others are seeing as this being a bad deal. How well it works will come down to how Westbrook approaches his style of play and what pieces Rob puts around these guys. Obviously we need shooting (Gay, Porter, Burks, etc) but we also didn't hard cap ourselves and can now bring back AC and THT. Oh and we kept our best trade asset in THT and still have the ability to move Dennis in a S&T for depth or a TPE which could be huge down the road. Excited to see how Rob approaches filling out the roster. |
Sure. Keep telling yourself that. |
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Alex Caruso played the same role |
KCP leaving means bigger role for THT and Alex. Not to mention if you can snag a guy like Alec Burks with mMLE. Again. KCP is replaceable.
Maybe BVH really bought into Rob's story about KCP, bread, and god. |
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rst08tierney
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | We got an MVP and GOT RID OF KUZMA in the deal???? Hell yeah, I'm all in. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | Easy yes.
We lost:
(a) Harrell - an unplayable playoff big who can't shoot or defend who also we all fully expected and wanted to opt out unless it was to facilitate a trade. Addition by subtraction but his contract made the deal happen.
(b) Kuzma - and his whopping 28% playoff career 3pt shooting average with 3.3 rebound and .9 assists. On the biggest stage he plays his smallest. In meaningless games where there's no pressure, he puts up numbers. 99% of LG wanted him banished
(c) KCP - the only semblance of an important piece to this team. We will miss his shooting and defense but it was feast or famine with him. He's white hot or terrified to shoot. Still, only a role player that's easily replaceable.
(d) #22 - people are really complaining about this as the straw that broke the camel's back but we also got back two 2nd rounders. Are they in 24 and all the way in 28, sure. But those are the years we'll start to need to address our lack of assets to add youth and without question they will be in the the 30-40 range.
I'm sorry but I'm not seeing what others are seeing as this being a bad deal. How well it works will come down to how Westbrook approaches his style of play and what pieces Rob puts around these guys. Obviously we need shooting (Gay, Porter, Burks, etc) but we also didn't hard cap ourselves and can now bring back AC and THT. Oh and we kept our best trade asset in THT and still have the ability to move Dennis in a S&T for depth or a TPE which could be huge down the road. Excited to see how Rob approaches filling out the roster. |
Sure. Keep telling yourself that. |
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Alex Caruso played the same role |
AC isn't anywhere near the same caliber of shooter. Much better defender overall, though KCP was always good at trailing shooters.
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | Easy yes.
We lost:
(a) Harrell - an unplayable playoff big who can't shoot or defend who also we all fully expected and wanted to opt out unless it was to facilitate a trade. Addition by subtraction but his contract made the deal happen.
(b) Kuzma - and his whopping 28% playoff career 3pt shooting average with 3.3 rebound and .9 assists. On the biggest stage he plays his smallest. In meaningless games where there's no pressure, he puts up numbers. 99% of LG wanted him banished
(c) KCP - the only semblance of an important piece to this team. We will miss his shooting and defense but it was feast or famine with him. He's white hot or terrified to shoot. Still, only a role player that's easily replaceable.
(d) #22 - people are really complaining about this as the straw that broke the camel's back but we also got back two 2nd rounders. Are they in 24 and all the way in 28, sure. But those are the years we'll start to need to address our lack of assets to add youth and without question they will be in the the 30-40 range.
I'm sorry but I'm not seeing what others are seeing as this being a bad deal. How well it works will come down to how Westbrook approaches his style of play and what pieces Rob puts around these guys. Obviously we need shooting (Gay, Porter, Burks, etc) but we also didn't hard cap ourselves and can now bring back AC and THT. Oh and we kept our best trade asset in THT and still have the ability to move Dennis in a S&T for depth or a TPE which could be huge down the road. Excited to see how Rob approaches filling out the roster. |
Sure. Keep telling yourself that. |
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Alex Caruso played the same role |
KCP leaving means bigger role for THT and Alex. Not to mention if you can snag a guy like Alec Burks with mMLE. Again. KCP is replaceable.
Maybe BVH really bought into Rob's story about KCP, bread, and god. |
Caruso's a defensive specialist and THT is a terrible fit alongside Westbrook. He'll, Caruso's a bad fit next to Westbrook.
Let's hope Alec Burks or A Guy Like Alec Burks™ is interested in ring chasing at age 30 instead of taking the money now and coattail hopping at age 35.
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BadGuy
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | We got an MVP and GOT RID OF KUZMA in the deal???? Hell yeah, I'm all in. |
Similar to the Gasol for Kwame Brown trade. Sent out garbage/potential for a proven player |
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MrLaker
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | Easy yes.
We lost:
(a) Harrell - an unplayable playoff big who can't shoot or defend who also we all fully expected and wanted to opt out unless it was to facilitate a trade. Addition by subtraction but his contract made the deal happen.
(b) Kuzma - and his whopping 28% playoff career 3pt shooting average with 3.3 rebound and .9 assists. On the biggest stage he plays his smallest. In meaningless games where there's no pressure, he puts up numbers. 99% of LG wanted him banished
(c) KCP - the only semblance of an important piece to this team. We will miss his shooting and defense but it was feast or famine with him. He's white hot or terrified to shoot. Still, only a role player that's easily replaceable.
(d) #22 - people are really complaining about this as the straw that broke the camel's back but we also got back two 2nd rounders. Are they in 24 and all the way in 28, sure. But those are the years we'll start to need to address our lack of assets to add youth and without question they will be in the the 30-40 range.
I'm sorry but I'm not seeing what others are seeing as this being a bad deal. How well it works will come down to how Westbrook approaches his style of play and what pieces Rob puts around these guys. Obviously we need shooting (Gay, Porter, Burks, etc) but we also didn't hard cap ourselves and can now bring back AC and THT. Oh and we kept our best trade asset in THT and still have the ability to move Dennis in a S&T for depth or a TPE which could be huge down the road. Excited to see how Rob approaches filling out the roster. |
Agreed, it's not a bad deal, it's actually a great deal for the Lakers. It blows me away to see so many members here think so highly of KCP and Kuz. They're not great players, they're only mediocre at best. Lakers came out ahead in this trade. They'll change their tune though when we win the chip next season. |
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ribeye
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:12 am Post subject: |
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A little yah and a little nay says my head. A little more nay than yah says my heart. I don't feel particularly good about this, but then I wasn't feeling particularly good about where the team stood either. I guess it couldn't be done, but CP3 would be a better fit.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| I'm fine with it. I know it's popular to hate Russell, but he's a high character, high energy guy that pushes the pace and has vision. He's a super rondo to me. I liked KCP, but Kuzma was a dime a dozen and I always thought Pretzel was hot garbage. the #22 pick had a little chance of contributing right away. |
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Nash Vegas
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Would you be happy if Lakers gave up Kuz, Pope, Trez, #22 for John Wall and 1st round pick?
Basically the same trade Rockets got for him.
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I appreciate the effort. The devil is in the details, who is brought in around the big 3. They have a full 82 game season next year, getting through it will be the trick. We have better protection against Lebron/AD injuries now so that is a positive step. Keep in mind that the window is likely one season, maybe two. Worry about draft picks then.
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Big fat nay IF this is the final version of the trade.
There's no doubt that he'll be great in the regular season. But chances are, and I hope I'm wrong, he'll struggle yet again in the postseason once defenses target and exploit his deficiencies on offense.
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Ksig
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Nay, he has been, no exaggeration, the WORST volume shooting player in the past 5 years. People think KCP is inconsistent even though he shoots 40% from 3, Russ shoots 25-30% most seasons and his overall FG% aint much better. For this to work out Russ would need take a step back, change his game drastically, and play nice being 3rd fiddle in his 14th season after the myriad of all-star teammates hes had and didn't do any of these things... I don't know it doesnt seem very probable to me.
People think its Russ vs Kuz, KCP, Trez, 22nd; but its also Russ vs whoever else we could have gotten like Hield without trading KCP. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| Depends on our depth. |
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Polarbear
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:54 am Post subject: |
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KCP is who he is
Montrez was a merc
Kuzma was the guy I was holding out hope that last year he was going to put it together and be that 3rd star on the team.....not only did that happen but down the stretch (when we really needed it with LJ and AD' injuries....he actually went BACKWARDS
I am totally ok with this trade.....we do need shooters |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:04 am Post subject: |
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as expected, the legit unbiased NBA analysts are hating this trade and Westbrook's fit with Lebron.
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| TBD. I'll keep an open mind but WB by himself doesn't counter the losses of KCP/Kuz and likely Schroeder. I'll wait to see whether this is a piece of a bigger move (interesting) or whether it's just vet-min signings (horrible). |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | as expected, the legit unbiased NBA analysts are hating this trade and Westbrook's fit with Lebron. |
Aren’t most of those guys from Boston, New York and Miami? 🤣😂🤣 |
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| KingKobe20 wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | as expected, the legit unbiased NBA analysts are hating this trade and Westbrook's fit with Lebron. |
Aren’t most of those guys from Boston, New York and Miami? 🤣😂🤣 |
Didnt u know ... only east coast media is legit lolz |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:51 am Post subject: |
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If we got rid of Schroder and kept KCP, I'd say it was a win.
I think Russ will provide a lot of intimidation and competitive spirit but I think we'd have been better off with Hield/KCP this season. Long term Russ will help replace LBJ so there is benefit there.
If there is more to the story and we still end up with Hield for Schroder and picks... then it's an even bigger win.
I don't get the KCP disrespect... I get that Russ is way better than him, but this is like comparing a long range wide receiver to a running back.
We now have two of the best running backs but we gave up our only long threat to add him. Think of signing Le'Veon Bell when you already have Derrick Henry.
It sounds good on paper... until you consider the fit... and that you no longer have any good receivers.
I'm just hoping we have more than Carmelo up our sleeve for the shooting.
Don't get me wrong... this still will be a good team... and it will prolong LBJ's career... but they will lose to one of the shooting teams that get hot if we don't upgrade that soon. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:56 am Post subject: |
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If AD and Lebron are healthy, they will be contenders no matter who is around them.
I feel the same way I do about the Westbrook deal as I did about last season's moves -- seems like a significant reshuffling of the deck chairs without much consideration for whether the various pieces will fit well together.
I'm not sold this trade will increase our chances of winning more than standing pat or other deals we could have made.
At this point, it's moot. If the deal is done, all we can do is hope for the best. Should be a fun experiment to watch. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:59 am Post subject: |
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it'd be cool if Westbrook re-invented himself. became a great cutter and defender..maybe in the playoffs..
re-invent that shooting form too, i don't see why not, seriously, why not overhaul it |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| I approve. It's not perfect, but stars win championships. Last time Russ teamed with two great players, they did pretty well. Would've been a dynasty if OKC didn't cheap out on Harden. |
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BILBJH
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| Mark10 45 wrote: | it'd be cool if Westbrook re-invented himself. became a great cutter and defender..maybe in the playoffs..
re-invent that shooting form too, i don't see why not, seriously, why not overhaul it |
It doesn't make sense to me when good free throw shooters struggle to become competent 3 point shooters. Especially wide open threes.
At any rate, I'd rather be sitting here hoping Russ's three point shot improves with all the gravity than hoping for Dennis's shot to get better.
LBJ shot better from three than Harden did this season... and he shot better than KD did the season before the Achilles. If LBJ can raise that up even one more point... from 36 to 37% and Russ can get to 34% which might not be impossible considering AD and LBJ's gravity and that he no longer needs to run like a maniac all game for his new team to win, that would go a long way to narrowing the shooting gap. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:11 am Post subject: |
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It's a tough one, but overall I guess I'm a nay. It will certainly be intrigueing to see how Russ fits in with this team, but I'm also thinking we desperate need to add some 3-point shooters. Both Caruso and THT are capable of becoming good there, but they need to pick it up. Plus, THT and LeBron both need the ball in their hands a lot, and Westbrook is not that useful without the ball in his hands.
I admit I do look forward to next season and seeing if they can make this work. |
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