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lakerican
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| Kava wrote: | | scout0_0 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | So I wanna know the observation on this... is Avery Bradley a better player then Lonzo Ball right now? |
bro Ball is pretty trash. |
Zo had his moments - Elite passing and help defense. Avery is the better player in every category except for passing. You could argue that Zo is a better help defender as well...but with our current shot blockers that will be less missed. |
Even that is overrated. Outside of the full court summer league passes to Kuzma, the rest were underwhelming. I screamed to the screen every time he tried the telegraphed jumping hook pass, good for steal, alone fastbreak score and the Lebron death stare.  |
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Ziggy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| lakerican wrote: | | Kava wrote: | | scout0_0 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | So I wanna know the observation on this... is Avery Bradley a better player then Lonzo Ball right now? |
bro Ball is pretty trash. |
Zo had his moments - Elite passing and help defense. Avery is the better player in every category except for passing. You could argue that Zo is a better help defender as well...but with our current shot blockers that will be less missed. |
Even that is overrated. Outside of the full court summer league passes to Kuzma, the rest were underwhelming. I screamed to the screen every time he tried the telegraphed jumping hook pass, good for steal, alone fastbreak score and the Lebron death stare. |
He's a great passer in the open court. They may not be flashy passes but they're in the right spot at just the right time. And sometimes he'll see 2 passes ahead and get the hockey assist. He sucked in halfcourt though. |
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Dr. Laker
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| Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | lakerican wrote: | | Kava wrote: | | scout0_0 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | So I wanna know the observation on this... is Avery Bradley a better player then Lonzo Ball right now? |
bro Ball is pretty trash. |
Zo had his moments - Elite passing and help defense. Avery is the better player in every category except for passing. You could argue that Zo is a better help defender as well...but with our current shot blockers that will be less missed. |
Even that is overrated. Outside of the full court summer league passes to Kuzma, the rest were underwhelming. I screamed to the screen every time he tried the telegraphed jumping hook pass, good for steal, alone fastbreak score and the Lebron death stare. |
He's a great passer in the open court. They may not be flashy passes but they're in the right spot at just the right time. And sometimes he'll see 2 passes ahead and get the hockey assist. He sucked in halfcourt though. |
In terms of his impact as a floor general, he's been good - but no where near elite. His asst% understandably went down once LBJ came, but even before LBJ, Lonzo was not top-20 in the league.
Contrast that to Trae Young, Ben Simmons & Luka Doncic, all of whom were top-20 as rookies, and De'Aaron Fox was top-20 last year. Some of their success may come from having more touches, but a PG who doesn't have the ball in his hands is a problem on its own.
Lonzo is good and can get better - but he's not elite.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| Avery Bradley: "Each and every night, every opportunity I get I’m going to try to prove, to show the world I’m the best perimeter defender in the NBA.” |
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KBandKB
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I definitely think that Bradley should start at the 1. Have LeBron play the point on offense, but with the west having loaded backcourts, it would be very ideal to have Danny Green and Avery Bradley lock those players down:
Harden/Westbrook
Steph/Klay
Lillard/CJ
Lou Wil/PG/Kawhi
And to add on top of this, Caruso and Rondo can be vital facilitators in the bench unit. Lebron and AD can be the main facilitators in the starting unit. |
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laker50
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| Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | Avery Bradley: "Each and every night, every opportunity I get I’m going to try to prove, to show the world I’m the best perimeter defender in the NBA.” |
Avery might just be the missing piece in the rotation. A PG who can slow down the elite PGs like Curry, Westbrook, and Lilliard. And he can playmake just enough and shoot well.
The Lakers offense if the shooters are as good as advertised should be able to keep up with any team.
It is on the defensive side that will make the difference Especially perimeter defense. The inside defense should be among the best in the league with AD, Howard, and McGee. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | Avery Bradley: "Each and every night, every opportunity I get I’m going to try to prove, to show the world I’m the best perimeter defender in the NBA.” |
This season is gonna be so special. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| AB looking like Pat Bev last night, guard the whole length, chase around screen, active hands, light feet, dog attitude |
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LakerSD
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| governator wrote: | | AB looking like Pat Bev last night, guard the whole length, chase around screen, active hands, light feet, dog attitude |
AD looking like the MVP is obviously #1 for Lakers, but I thought what AB did on Steph was #2 in importance.
They are going to need that kind of defense against Dame, Harden, etc. |
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trablos
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | AB looking like Pat Bev last night, guard the whole length, chase around screen, active hands, light feet, dog attitude |
For 1/3 of the price |
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TheKing23
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| He gave us a glimpse of why he was considered one of the best (if not the best) perimeter defenders in the league. |
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hydrohead
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This teams identity needs to be defense, it’s the one aspect that you can get multiple players engaged and to rally around (as opposed to the offensive end where is clearly the Lebron AD show)With that, it’s critical that you set the tone immediately with AB applying pressure at the jump to all the great point guards out West. Last night was the blueprint.
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StoicChalice392
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| hydrohead wrote: | | This teams identity needs to be defense, it’s the one aspect that you can get multiple players engaged and to rally around (as opposed to the offensive end where is clearly the Lebron AD show)With that, it’s critical that you set the tone immediately with AB applying pressure at the jump to all the great point guards out West. Last night was the blueprint. |
saw it last night. GSW where taking 3rd and 4rth contested options and not getting the rebounds. A sign of things to come I'm hoping. |
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KingKobe20
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | AB looking like Pat Bev last night, guard the whole length, chase around screen, active hands, light feet, dog attitude |
Hopefully he kicks Pat Bev's ass on opening Night.
He has a huge chip on his shoulder especially against Doc and the Clippers who basically gave up on him completely as he was dumped in Memphis to rot. |
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Lucky_Shot
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | He gave us a glimpse of why he was considered one of the best (if not the best) perimeter defenders in the league. |
He's good but far from the best. Ball was a much better defender and got his hands on everything.
AB is a journeyman who plays good defense. He doesnt have to be the best perimeter defender in the league to win the starting job but he will need to score more |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | He gave us a glimpse of why he was considered one of the best (if not the best) perimeter defenders in the league. |
He's good but far from the best. Ball was a much better defender and got his hands on everything.
AB is a journeyman who plays good defense. He doesnt have to be the best perimeter defender in the league to win the starting job but he will need to score more |
Well can’t have them all. At least Ball got us AD.
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When Bradley is good, he's basically the best case scenario for Lonzo. Less vision, slightly less motor and much more reliable shooting. Zo probably has another year at least before he reaches that level.
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Lucky_Shot
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| manlisten wrote: | | When Bradley is good, he's basically the best case scenario for Lonzo. Less vision, slightly less motor and much more reliable shooting. Zo probably has another year at least before he reaches that level. |
Ball is a better player than AB right now. Zo would have to take a step back to be on the same level as AB.
AB is nice piece when you have LBJ and AD but that doesnt make him better than Zo |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Ball is gone and Bradley likely isn't a long-term answer for the Lakers PG needs.
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| If he can slow down Lou Williams, Westbrook, Lilliard, and Murray just a little bit, then it's a great pick-up. That's his role and so far, it's looking good. |
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | He gave us a glimpse of why he was considered one of the best (if not the best) perimeter defenders in the league. |
He's good but far from the best. Ball was a much better defender and got his hands on everything.
AB is a journeyman who plays good defense. He doesnt have to be the best perimeter defender in the league to win the starting job but he will need to score more |
Like I said "was". There are a ton of sights that said he was the best on the ball defender in the league. He forces everyone who he guards to give up the rock. He is only 28, in shape, and he has never had structural damage to his body. He is not here to score, but he can hit the open 3 and take it to the basket. I do not see him scoring much (he will barely average double figures), but that will not be his role. We are lucky (no pun intended) to have him and he is going to become a fan favorite. I watched a ton of Celtics games and always said I would love him to be a Laker. He is the real deal. |
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| Scoffs wrote: | | If he can slow down Lou Williams, Westbrook, Lilliard, and Murray just a little bit, then it's a great pick-up. That's his role and so far, it's looking good. |
Teams are gonna try to draw fouls on him. As long as he can avoid them it helps our chances of winning games significantly. It's a PG dominant league.
And he's definitely a top tier PG defender.
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I remember watching this video when it first came out 2 years ago: LINK
I've been so excited since we signed him.
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The days of opposing point guards circling the Lakers game for when they’re going for career highs are done.
It’s been a minute since we’ve had an even semi-decent defender at the 1. |
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