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Lakers Trade Rumors: Lakers haven't talked DeMarcus Cousins trade since drafting D'Angelo Russell, according to report
By Drew Garrison @DrewGarrisonSBN on Jul 2, 2015, 11:30a 7
Kyle Terada-USA TODAY Sports
The Lakers have no intention of trading D'Angelo Russell or opening DeMarcus Cousins trade talks again.
The Los Angeles Lakers cut negotiations with the Sacramento Kings regarding a DeMarcus Cousins trade the moment they drafted D'Angelo Russell with the No. 2 pick, reports Ramona Shelburne of ESPN. The Lakers have been focused on free agency since the NBA Draft, and neither side has re-visited the negotiation table following a blur of trade rumors.
The Kings reportedly wanted to clear out the Lakers' assets, targeting the No. 2 pick, Julius Randle, Jordan Clarkson, future draft considerations and potential salary dumps. Los Angeles, meanwhile, had no interest in including Randle in any package, and made their draft decision for the future with Russell.
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Lakers Rumors: Team Considering Robin Lopez
by Anthony F. Irwin 1h ago
So, about Kosta Koufos….
Related: Team Interested In Kosta Koufos
Lakers fans, meet your new savior: Robin Lopez. Nope, not Brook. The other one.
Here’s Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski:
This came right after Woj tweeted the Knicks and Lopez were working toward a quite fruitful deal, which, of course, blew up Twitter preemptively.
So, when news dropped the Lakers are active in such negotiations, there went Twitter again.
The numbers might be mind-boggling, but once the cap goes up, any deal the Lakers might sign becomes great value, injuries and such variables aside. The point here is the Lakers haven’t simply wasted their afternoon in some hopeless second meeting.
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Los Angeles Lakers discovering that free agents want to play with winners
Greg Monroe declined to join the Lakers, instead leaving Detroit to sign a three-year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks. Monroe is one of several free agents to turn down the Lakers. (AP Photo/Mark Duncan, File)
By Mark Whicker, LA Daily News
POSTED: 07/02/15, 7:18 PM PDT | UPDATED: 1 MIN AGO 0 COMMENTS
If NBA players are avoiding the Lakers for the same reasons they once flocked to them, it is not a world crisis.
It does not rise to the level of peas in guacamole, or where a baseball executive prefers to keep his decimal points. Actually, it dignifies the modern hoop star. It means he wants to win.
Nineteen years ago, Shaquille O’Neal signed with the Lakers because of Jerry West and the chance to make bad movies, but also because he could win a title, since the Lakers had won 53 games the year before. Three seasons later, with Phil Jackson on board, it happened, and then two more titles happened.
LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Monroe and DeAndre Jordan were wooed by a franchise that won 21 games last season. They don’t need the standings to know. They saw the chalk outline themselves, at court level. A stopover at Jack Nicholson’s house, or all the Pink’s Hot Dogs they can eat, can only go so far. They want to win while they’re young.
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Cha*n wrote: | Can Robert Upshaw Be A Future Laker Star?
by Ayron Beavers 4h ago
The story of Robert Upshaw can be a feel good story of the road from addiction to redemption. It is a tale that very few get to live up to, but so many will cheer for. Twice booted from the University of Washington, and Fresno State programs, diagnosed with potential heart issue that kept him away from draft workouts briefly, and undrafted, Upshaw is still a model of a potential rags to riches story.
http://lasportshub.com/2015/07/02/can-robert-upshaw-future-laker-star/ | Upshaw could be the next Boogie Cousins, given his immense talent. Upshaw, Randle, Russell, Clarkson and Kobe makes for an interesting lineup with a lot of upside with these young players.
With (hopefully) Robin Lopez providing rim protection and (hopefully) LA providing another legitimate scoring threat (Swaggy P does not count) working with the kids . .
As people such Ric Bucher have clearly stated, LA is not a "foundation@ player |
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rst08tierney wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | Jimmy doesn't have the same aura that has father had. I wouldn't want to play for him either. |
would you play for an owner who shows up for business meetings in a ball cap?
Jimbo is the perfect example of what happens when a child inherits their fathers wealth and success.
He never had to work for anything and build relationships. He sat his spoiled butt in the back seat and mooched off his fathers success and money. He knew one day the empire would be his but assumed it would be on auto pilot. Little did he know, by not staying on top of the business side of things the league quickly changed and his first major decisions as an owner back fired in his face causing the domino effect into mediocrity.
Players are done with Lakers at this point. Jimmy needs to step down. Its the only way to fix things before the spiral does even more damage then its already caused. |
What he wears is irrelevant.
Mark Zuckerberg wears the same hoodie every single day he runs Facebook and he gets plenty of people to meet with him just fine. This whole baseball cap thing is absurd and only signifies a lack of any real substance.
Do you guys think people focus on that so much because its Hollywood where we obsess over how people look and dress?
Who cares what we wears if he was getting the job done? |
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LaMarcus Aldridge Turned Off With LA Lakers Pitch; Houston Rockets And San Antonio Spurs Frontrunners To Acquire All-Star
By Byron Cayetano | July 02, 2015 10:29 PM EDT
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In an unexpected turn of events, the Los Angeles Lakers is now out of the conversation as LaMarcus Aldridge's new landing spot. After their meeting last Wednesday, Aldridge was reportedly not impressed with the Laker's pitch.
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LaMarcus Aldridge Turned Off With LA Lakers Pitch; Houston Rockets And San Antonio Spurs Frontrunners To Acquire All-Star
By Byron Cayetano | July 02, 2015 10:29 PM EDT
(Photo : Scott Halleran | Getty Images Sport)
In an unexpected turn of events, the Los Angeles Lakers is now out of the conversation as LaMarcus Aldridge's new landing spot. After their meeting last Wednesday, Aldridge was reportedly not impressed with the Laker's pitch.
http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/216375/20150702/lamarcus-aldridge-la-lakers-pitch-houston-rockets-san-antonio.htm |
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Another sad day for Lakers free agency. Robin Lopez ![](images/smiles/icon_facepalm.gif) |
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Cha*n wrote: | Another sad day for Lakers free agency. Robin Lopez ![](images/smiles/icon_facepalm.gif) |
Wow, one of the clown brothers…the less offensively talented one at that. |
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I don't think the article is about the result of the second mtg |
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Quote: | Free agent center Robin Lopez has picked the New York Knicks over the Los Angeles Lakers, sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein, and will sign with the Knicks as long as DeAndre Jordan, as expected, chooses the Los Angeles Clippers or Dallas Mavericks and not the Knicks. |
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ringfinger wrote: | rst08tierney wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | Jimmy doesn't have the same aura that has father had. I wouldn't want to play for him either. |
would you play for an owner who shows up for business meetings in a ball cap?
Jimbo is the perfect example of what happens when a child inherits their fathers wealth and success.
He never had to work for anything and build relationships. He sat his spoiled butt in the back seat and mooched off his fathers success and money. He knew one day the empire would be his but assumed it would be on auto pilot. Little did he know, by not staying on top of the business side of things the league quickly changed and his first major decisions as an owner back fired in his face causing the domino effect into mediocrity.
Players are done with Lakers at this point. Jimmy needs to step down. Its the only way to fix things before the spiral does even more damage then its already caused. |
What he wears is irrelevant.
Mark Zuckerberg wears the same hoodie every single day he runs Facebook and he gets plenty of people to meet with him just fine. This whole baseball cap thing is absurd and only signifies a lack of any real substance.
Do you guys think people focus on that so much because its Hollywood where we obsess over how people look and dress?
Who cares what we wears if he was getting the job done? |
What you wear shouldn't be judged by others. But to be fair to Zuckerberg, it's almost a cliche that most software developers wear hoodies. However, I'm not sure if most basketball execs wear baseball caps while conducting business meetings. |
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lakersfreak wrote: | Quote: | Free agent center Robin Lopez has picked the New York Knicks over the Los Angeles Lakers, sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein, and will sign with the Knicks as long as DeAndre Jordan, as expected, chooses the Los Angeles Clippers or Dallas Mavericks and not the Knicks. |
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Now even a team with a worse record and FO can outbid the Lakers. This free agency season can't be over fast enough. |
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DB8 wrote: | I don't want Aldridge .... I don't want Rondo.... I want young and exciting.
LA is not winning a championship in the next two years and by the time they could be back in the hunt a player like Aldridge will only have a couple of years left... He knows this and for that reason alone he won't sigh with the Lakers.
What is pathetic is that the Lakers can't figure this out....... how dam stupid can a single group of people be and now the pity meeting to try to save face.
The Laker organization is an embarrassment to its self.
The whole Buss family needs to go from operations, they are destroying the brand their father build in just three short years.... Jennie needs to attend to her Phil, Jimmy needs to go back and play with horses and both need to clip coupons and sit on a Laker BoD and let some real basketball people run this team.
To rebuild the brand the Buss kiddos need to go away.
Bring back Jerry West to run the organization as CEO, Mitch can stay, but get some other respected basketball people involved and I'm not talking about former players. This is a billion dollar business that needs to act like one.
Example- apply the same standard to the Laker FO as you do players. If Jimmy, Jennie and other Buss kids were to seek FO jobs with other teams based on their talents who would hire them? NO ONE........
I'm sad for the Jerry Buss legacy ... His leaving his children in charge was his blind spot but not an uncommon one.
Lakers should cancel the LA meeting now... walk away and stop this sad desperate and needy show. |
I think you are being a bit harsh on management. Personally I think they have made some excellent moves and a few boneheaded ones. Thankfully the boneheaded moves had mostly to do with the hiring of coaches and not the selection of players. You make a great point though about getting West back or coercing Riley back to finish his career. That would be noiiiice!
But despite all that, they have managed to build a young core within 2 years of having virtually no assents (thanks to the Nash deal). The Nash deal was a necessary move at the time when you consider that it was actually Plan B. The Lakers had no choice but to accept Plan B when Plan A, the CP3 deal was unprecedently nixed. Despite all the blows they have endured, they have actually done quite well.
I know people love to (bleep) and moan because we've had a tough stretch, and that's what fans do, but the reality is that we have a young, extremely talented group that, IMO, fans will love. I was listening to satellite radio and they commented how jealous the Celtics are of our youngsters (Russ, Randle, Clarkson, Nance). Boston is especially not happy that we got Russell. So that makes me .
But, it's like people here have not watched Russ's games. Instead of being excited that we may actually have, what some refer to as a basketball "savant" to lead our team for years to come, people want to moan about free agency. This team is not ready for a decent free agent. There is no rational reason for a top FA to come to the Lakers this year, unless it is purely money driven. The Lakers aren't winning a title in the next couple of years so why throw money away now and/or make your organization appear desperate. The Lakers don't do desperate.
So instead of watching Aldridge waste away on a team that's not there yet, we instead get to watch the exciting youngsters play more minutes;, gain more valuable experience and hopefully flourish. Then, when the league sees that we really have something sweet going on, the FAs will once again flock to L.A. So, IMO, the "Lakers brand" is not damaged at all. It's just a bunch of media hacks overreacting to what has been a rational building up of the franchise. Either that or it's all Kobe's fault. ![](images/smiles/icon_magtongue.gif) |
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:33 pm Post subject: The Lakers need professional management |
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See post below.
The other owners let the GM and coach completely run the basketball part of the operation. The Lakers don't seem to know who they can get or who will be interested. This is part of the game.
They seem to be without a plan.
They need to hire a professional GM and give him the power to turn things around. |
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Dwarf Nebula wrote: | DB8 wrote: | I don't want Aldridge .... I don't want Rondo.... I want young and exciting.
LA is not winning a championship in the next two years and by the time they could be back in the hunt a player like Aldridge will only have a couple of years left... He knows this and for that reason alone he won't sigh with the Lakers.
What is pathetic is that the Lakers can't figure this out....... how dam stupid can a single group of people be and now the pity meeting to try to save face.
The Laker organization is an embarrassment to its self.
The whole Buss family needs to go from operations, they are destroying the brand their father build in just three short years.... Jennie needs to attend to her Phil, Jimmy needs to go back and play with horses and both need to clip coupons and sit on a Laker BoD and let some real basketball people run this team.
To rebuild the brand the Buss kiddos need to go away.
Bring back Jerry West to run the organization as CEO, Mitch can stay, but get some other respected basketball people involved and I'm not talking about former players. This is a billion dollar business that needs to act like one.
Example- apply the same standard to the Laker FO as you do players. If Jimmy, Jennie and other Buss kids were to seek FO jobs with other teams based on their talents who would hire them? NO ONE........
I'm sad for the Jerry Buss legacy ... His leaving his children in charge was his blind spot but not an uncommon one.
Lakers should cancel the LA meeting now... walk away and stop this sad desperate and needy show. | I think you are being a bit harsh on management. Personally I think they have made some excellent moves and a few boneheaded ones. Thankfully the boneheaded moves had mostly to do with the hiring of coaches and not the selection of players. You make a great point though about getting West back or coercing Riley back to finish his career. That would be noiiiice!
But despite all that, they have managed to build a young core within 2 years of having virtually no assents (thanks to the Nash deal). The Nash deal was a necessary move at the time when you consider that it was actually Plan B. The Lakers had no choice but to accept Plan B when Plan A, the CP3 deal was unprecedently nixed. Despite all the blows they have endured, they have actually done quite well.
I know people love to (bleep) and moan because we've had a tough stretch, and that's what fans do, but the reality is that we have a young, extremely talented group that, IMO, fans will love. I was listening to satellite radio and they commented how jealous the Celtics are of our youngsters (Russ, Randle, Clarkson, Nance). Boston is especially not happy that we got Russell. So that makes me .
But, it's like people here have not watched Russ's games. Instead of being excited that we may actually have, what some refer to as a basketball "savant" to lead our team for years to come, people want to moan about free agency. This team is not ready for a decent free agent. There is no rational reason for a top FA to come to the Lakers this year, unless it is purely money driven. The Lakers aren't winning a title in the next couple of years so why throw money away now and/or make your organization appear desperate. The Lakers don't do desperate.
So instead of watching Aldridge waste away on a team that's not there yet, we instead get to watch the exciting youngsters play more minutes;, gain more valuable experience and hopefully flourish. Then, when the league sees that we really have something sweet going on, the FAs will once again flock to L.A. So, IMO, the "Lakers brand" is not damaged at all. It's just a bunch of media hacks overreacting to what has been a rational building up of the franchise. Either that or it's all Kobe's fault. ![](images/smiles/icon_magtongue.gif) | As Ric Bucher confirmed in a recent ESPN article, Aldridge is not a "Foundation" player that seeks to lead a team - he (along with Jordan and others) are looking to go to team where they are the missing piece to winning a title.
Monroe is a version of Okafor, good offense but little defense.
Jordan is an excellent defensive presence with an incomplete offensive game that cannot play during crunch time because of his FT woes
Mike Fratella made an observation that the Knicks should trade Melo for assets (or CAP relief) to help the Knicks be a little relevant. Maybe a 3 team trade with the Lakers getting Melo (they can take his salary) with another team having additional assets to trade.
Fascinating that people are willing (typical and seen many times) to jettison proven championship management. They have seen the lows and the highs. At this time, the Spurs have proven management and success. One wonders what will happen when Duncan retires. What will happen this year when either Duncan or Aldridge will play center. How much space will be available in the paint when both are playing since they don't have a legitimate center.
Aldridge must be asking Mitch and Scott how he will be functioning in their offense. Will he be playing center, if so - how. If he is playing PF, how will be working with Black or Sacre(?!?).
Mitch and Jimbo have done good after suffering Stern's "basketball" decision to bring the Lakers down and making an "All In" effort to win one final championship before Dr. Buss died. The vast majority of people were praising the moves of Mitch to get Howard and Nash. Who knew that D12 was wimp (still a wimp at Houston) and Nash would be more injured than his previous years right before playing for the Lakers.
Note: Would be satisfied with Howard's production at Houston, as being "The Face" for the Lakers - nope.
Talent evaluation has been a strong point for Mitch, remembering the players he has selected. In 2015 - has Julius Randle, Jordan Clarkson, Tarik Black, Jabari Brown, D’Angelo Russell, Larry Nance Jr., Anthony Brown, Dwight Buycks and Robert Upshaw (who could be a big key in the Lakers' return to prominence).
Aldridge and Jordan would be key FA acquisition IF they are strategic in obtaining another piece - if not, one wonders why they would leave a better team to a rebuilding team - especially if they are not a "Cornerstone" talent (of which, they are not). |
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:17 am Post subject: Re: The Lakers need professional management |
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laker50 wrote: | See post below.
The other owners let the GM and coach completely run the basketball part of the operation. The Lakers don't seem to know who they can get or who will be interested. This is part of the game.
They seem to be without a plan.
They need to hire a professional GM and give him the power to turn things around. | Who is more proven (successful) than Mitch? |
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Rashomon wrote: | lakersfreak wrote: | Quote: | Free agent center Robin Lopez has picked the New York Knicks over the Los Angeles Lakers, sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein, and will sign with the Knicks as long as DeAndre Jordan, as expected, chooses the Los Angeles Clippers or Dallas Mavericks and not the Knicks. | SOURCE | Now even a team with a worse record and FO can outbid the Lakers. This free agency season can't be over fast enough. | Which conference is the easiest to get into the playoffs - Eastern Conference (where one can have 30+ wins and get into the 2nd Season |
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Mitch wasn't as successful as it appears. Kobe/Shaq was West. Even the Gasol trade involved West from the other side. I am not sure how much Mitch has done well. Then again is it Jimbo or Mitch or Jeanie. Can someone just buy the Lakers already and fix this mess. Worst FO in the NBA right now. |
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cthroatgtr wrote: | Mitch wasn't as successful as it appears. Kobe/Shaq was West. Even the Gasol trade involved West from the other side. I am not sure how much Mitch has done well. Then again is it Jimbo or Mitch or Jeanie. Can someone just buy the Lakers already and fix this mess. Worst FO in the NBA right now. |
I will say this, you hit the nail on the head in regards to the front office. I don't think they would ever sell this franchise, too many siblings in the Buss family involved.
However I do think they can turn it around. Jeanie has to get her brother out of there, maybe let one of the younger siblings take over because of the time and culture we're in.
Never the less the Lakers can turn it around, all hope is not lost. They have to look over the list of available players, define what's needed and go after it HARD. It won't be what the team wants, but it can be what the team needs. Hopefully they can get some semblance of character back after all of this mess... |
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Cha*n wrote: | Los Angeles Lakers discovering that free agents want to play with winners
Greg Monroe declined to join the Lakers, instead leaving Detroit to sign a three-year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks. Monroe is one of several free agents to turn down the Lakers. (AP Photo/Mark Duncan, File)
By Mark Whicker, LA Daily News
POSTED: 07/02/15, 7:18 PM PDT | UPDATED: 1 MIN AGO 0 COMMENTS
If NBA players are avoiding the Lakers for the same reasons they once flocked to them, it is not a world crisis.
It does not rise to the level of peas in guacamole, or where a baseball executive prefers to keep his decimal points. Actually, it dignifies the modern hoop star. It means he wants to win.
Nineteen years ago, Shaquille O’Neal signed with the Lakers because of Jerry West and the chance to make bad movies, but also because he could win a title, since the Lakers had won 53 games the year before. Three seasons later, with Phil Jackson on board, it happened, and then two more titles happened.
LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Monroe and DeAndre Jordan were wooed by a franchise that won 21 games last season. They don’t need the standings to know. They saw the chalk outline themselves, at court level. A stopover at Jack Nicholson’s house, or all the Pink’s Hot Dogs they can eat, can only go so far. They want to win while they’re young.
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lakurluv wrote: | cthroatgtr wrote: | Mitch wasn't as successful as it appears. Kobe/Shaq was West. Even the Gasol trade involved West from the other side. I am not sure how much Mitch has done well. Then again is it Jimbo or Mitch or Jeanie. Can someone just buy the Lakers already and fix this mess. Worst FO in the NBA right now. |
I will say this, you hit the nail on the head in regards to the front office. I don't think they would ever sell this franchise, too many siblings in the Buss family involved.
However I do think they can turn it around. Jeanie has to get her brother out of there, maybe let one of the younger siblings take over because of the time and culture we're in.
Never the less the Lakers can turn it around, all hope is not lost. They have to look over the list of available players, define what's needed and go after it HARD. It won't be what the team wants, but it can be what the team needs. Hopefully they can get some semblance of character back after all of this mess... |
Meh, Lakers (bleep) themselves over. That Hollywood sales pitch doesn't work anymore. So outdated and old fashion. The "other Lopez" choosing NY over us? 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😤😤😤😤😤👿👿👿 _________________ New Beginings |
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