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kikanga
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| ducasse wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | I think 2 things are true at once.
1) We are better off bringing back DLO than letting his salary cap space disappear. Even if it is an overpay in terms of $ per year and number of years.
2) His whole career his performance has massively cratered in the post season. So you have to be biased, blind, and/or naive to think you can win a chip relying on him as a starting PG. |
He needs to be brought back at a reasonable price so that you can move him if a trade opportunity presents itself. Another two year deal like the last one with a player option in second year. Worst case is signing him to a bad contract. But almost as bad is letting him go for nothing. |
I disagree. Worst case is letting him go for nothing. But almost as bad is signing him to a bad contract.
Even though it comes at a cost, we've seen bad contracts get moved. LINK
If he leaves for nothing. We don't even get the chance to use his money to try and change things.
But we agree. Signing him to a reasonable, trade-able contract should be the goal.
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| MJST wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Okay since a lot of people do a lot of talking and can't answer the simple question of "Who do you replace DLO with that does what he does and doesn't cost 25-50M?"
DJM can't do what DLO does, he's not the shooter DLO is and his offense comes from attacking inside and isn't the point guard DLO is either outside of one season in San Antonio where they intentionally built up his value. Which ATL now wants to get rid of realizing they'd been swindled. He often times doesn't get engaged in games because he isn't being utilized enough. He complains that he doesn't try on defense anymore because of refs. He goes back and forth on social media. He has attitude problems both in the locker room and on social media.
For a guy who isn't even the defender he was prior to the injury, he isn't worth the headache when you already have Austin Reaves, who costs less and is far less problematic.
But let's break down the facts here.
D'Angelo Russell as a 3rd option averaged
PPG 18.0
RPG 3.1
APG 6.3 (with a career low 2.1 Turnovers)
SPG 0.9
Field Goal 45.6%
Three Pointer 41.5% (on 7.2 per game)
Free Throw 82.8%
This what DLO put up as a THIRD option. The last third option to put up numbers akin to this next to LeBron? Chris Bosh.
Ya'll keep screaming "third star" on this team, heck ya'll even tried to convince yourselves it'd be Kyle Kuzma. But DLO actually WAS the third star, he put up 18/6 and sacrificed bits of his game for the sake of the team and was the most efficient high volume three point shooter in the league this season.
The first 10 Games of the season DLO averaged 17 points and 6.6 assists, and shot 49% from the gield and 41% from three. He averaged 31 MPG during that time. The beginning of December? Ham cut his minutes to 26 per game for no explicable reason. And over the next 7 games, DLO had 5 bad ones.
Then against Minnesota DLO seemed to bounce back and find his groove again in the 4th Quarter, putting up 17 points, coming out of his slump. Darvin Ham rewarded this by benching DLO for the next 7 games. That 7 game stretch DLO was forced to come off the bench he put up 12 points and 5.4 assists on 47.7% Field goal and 40% from three.
When Ham was forced to start DLO again he went off for 39 against Utah and Darvin Ham couldn't bench him anymore.
Prior to All-Star Break, Ham enabled DLO to be the point guard and have him the green light. During that 16 game stretch, DLO put up
PPG 23.4
RPG 2.9
APG 6.9 (with a career low 2.1 Turnovers)
SPG 0.8
Field Goal 46.6%
Three Pointer 46.0% (on 8.7 per game)
Free Throw 88.9%
It was one of the best stretches of his career and he firmly established himself as the third star on the team behind AD and LeBron, and many times lead the team in scoring for their wins. The Lakers went 11-5 during this stretch and 6 Straight that he played in, the one game he missed was the game they lost.
Post All-Star break, LeBron took the reigns as point guard again and DLO was relegated to an off-ball role. He still was able to rack up assists because of his basketball IQ, but he wasn't 'running the team' the same way and bringing the ball up the court the majority of the time or asked to dictate the offense like he was prior to All Star Break. But because he'd worked on becoming a good off-ball three point shooter he was still able to average 19.2 Points on 41% from three(on 8.8 a game) post all-star break.
So if we ignore the stretch of games that Darvin Ham lost his darn mind and bothdiminished his role and put DLO on the bench. DLO averaged
17.6/3.5/6.6 49%/41.8% prior to December(20 games)
20.8/3.4/6.6 45%/43% mid-January to Mid-April(post Darvin Ham insanity)
This is our third option not only doing this but doing it at a high efficiency(the highest in the league amongst high volume 3 point shooters) as the third option, despite having his role changed, and despite post ASB being relegated to an off-ball role more often because of LeBron.
You aren't getting this productivity in addition to efficiency as both a point guard and shooter from anyone else in the league that doesn't costa max or isn't about to get a max. The only guy in the league that gives a higher bang for his buck is Jalen Brunson whom makes $25M a year and plays like a max player.
There is no one you're feasibly replacing DLO with in a 1 to 1 scenario that does what he does as efficiently as he does. To get someone that replaces what DLO does you'd need to destroy your depth in the process.
DLO wants to be here, he's the third star of this team whether you like it or not, and without him the Lakers will be a lottery team that will hand over their top 5 pick to the Pelicans next season. That's reality. |
Lol regular season glory. |
Without that regular season glory we don't make the Playoffs, let alone the play-in. Trying to act like "Regular season" performance doesn't matter is one of the dumbest arguments.
If players don't perform well in the regular season, their teams don't have a chance of winning. If their teams don't have a chance of winning, they don't make the Playoffs. Really that simple.
| Day wrote: | | levon wrote: | "DLo gives you everything you want as a third option"
I too want donut games from my third option every other game, especially in Game 3 at home when you're down 0-2.
DLo is a role player with on-ball and microwave ability. He's D White in Boston without the defense, a player that he himself aspires to be. If DLo is your third option, get ready to be outplayed by every other team's third options in playoff series.
Disparate, rival organizations hold these opinions of DLo based on quantitative and qualitative analysis. You think DLo doesn't know his place in the league and you guys do? |
1 - He said he wanted to be like White as a defender and doing the little things, things he wanted to add to his game, not that White was better than him. DLo is 10 times the offensive player that White is.
2 - Why do you guys just ignore the playoff series' last year ? He wasn't outplayed by the Grizzlies or Warriors third best player. He's also played better than the opposing teams third option in all of our play in games.
3 - The entire logic behind bringing RW here was to be able to put in work during the regular season, get us to the playoffs, and take the load off of LeBron. We were paying a max salary for those perceived benefits, now we have all of those in DLo for a fraction of that cost.
4 - When we're in the playoffs, largely because of DLo, it should be the time that AD and LeBron can take over, no? Why would you blame your third option? If you get to the playoffs with a healthy LeBron and AD then you should be happy and having DLo takes a lot of the regular season responsibility from LeBron. |
Precisely. Unfortunately this is the level of common sense so rare to some people it should be a superpower. |
The common sense of Dlo is not a winning type of player nor we should believe this time its different. Lol . Yikes
No such thing as 40 year Lebron gonna take over consistently or AD has that offensive arsenal to take over.
So if you can’t win with this team, time to weed out carefree divas. And do something different |
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Lakeshow23_
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"DLo is 10 times the offensive player that White is"
DLO in 2024 playoffs: 14 PPG on 48 TS%
White in 2024 playoffs: 22 PPG on 72 TS%
DLO in 2023 playoffs: 13 PPG on 52 TS%
White in 2023 playoffs: 13 PPG on 67 TS%
DLO is theoretically a better offensive player but skillset means so much when it doesn't translate when it matters. He's giving significantly worse offensive production than White in the playoffs while being 1/20th of the defender. |
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miggz23
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DLO regular season(RS) stats and playoffs(PO) series stats on the same year.
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75% 
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
DLO's pattern play goes all the way back to his Nets and even his Wolves days, when he was the primary PG. Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance. But the pattern are all the same as each round series goes on. When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks. |
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JustaObserver
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | "DLo is 10 times the offensive player that White is"
DLO in 2024 playoffs: 14 PPG on 48 TS%
White in 2024 playoffs: 22 PPG on 72 TS%
DLO in 2023 playoffs: 13 PPG on 52 TS%
White in 2023 playoffs: 13 PPG on 67 TS%
DLO is theoretically a better offensive player but skillset means so much when it doesn't translate when it matters. He's giving significantly worse offensive production than White in the playoffs while being 1/20th of the defender. |
Ohhh does white play with Tatum Brown and Unicorn and a bench player sniper in PRitchard..you cant possibly be comparing the two based on team makeup and conference and coach......also is their coach DARVIN HAM who might be getting fired due to unheard of attrocities done on this team?
I can tell you now if they had HAM White would be deligated to a 3-D shooter nothing more. He actually has a role and a actual offense White also doesnt deal with LBJ who can play ISO ball at a drop of a hat and the coach will say nothing when ecerything goes stagnant.. |
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Lakeshow23_
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | "DLo is 10 times the offensive player that White is"
DLO in 2024 playoffs: 14 PPG on 48 TS%
White in 2024 playoffs: 22 PPG on 72 TS%
DLO in 2023 playoffs: 13 PPG on 52 TS%
White in 2023 playoffs: 13 PPG on 67 TS%
DLO is theoretically a better offensive player but skillset means so much when it doesn't translate when it matters. He's giving significantly worse offensive production than White in the playoffs while being 1/20th of the defender. |
Ohhh does white play with Tatum Brown and Unicorn and a bench player sniper in PRitchard..you cant possibly be comparing the two based on team makeup and conference and coach......also is their coach DARVIN HAM who might be getting fired due to unheard of attrocities done on this team?
I can tell you now if they had HAM White would be deligated to a 3-D shooter nothing more. He actually has a role and a actual offense White also doesnt deal with LBJ who can play ISO ball at a drop of a hat and the coach will say nothing when ecerything goes stagnant.. |
You do realize DLO's playoff numbers as a Laker are the best in his career? He was even worse in BK and Minny. |
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JustaObserver
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| miggz23 wrote: | DLO regular season(RS) stats and playoffs(PO) series stats on the same year.
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
DLO's pattern play goes all the way back to his Nets and even his Wolves days, when he was the primary PG. Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance. But the pattern are all the same as each round series goes on. When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks. |
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%[
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance
Not all player performance goes up..it usally goes DOWN as things get tighter and adjustments are made THANKS FOR PROVING THAT..Thumbs up!
When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared
Without him you dont get there..forgot those other series hugh? I didnt....
Also MJST and others have told you how to use the guy..HE...NOT..CHUCKY... ATKINS. You dont know him? Go look him up. go look in this thread from MJST how to use him..i tired of repeating the same points.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks
He didnt shrink in the playoffs getting to the WCF? WHAT HAPPENED?
He didnt shrink. in game 1 YOU LOST A 20pts LEAD! Was that his fault?
He didnt shrink in Game 3 ..you still lost..smh.
Game 5 wasnt good but not bad or disapeared..he got even the layup to tie..WHAT HAPPENED? WAS it his fault too in that game down the stretch?
This blind hate is crazy..but why dont you answer who you want to get to replace him? As this question like your narrative not going away...  |
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MJST
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | "DLo is 10 times the offensive player that White is"
DLO in 2024 playoffs: 14 PPG on 48 TS%
White in 2024 playoffs: 22 PPG on 72 TS%
DLO in 2023 playoffs: 13 PPG on 52 TS%
White in 2023 playoffs: 13 PPG on 67 TS%
DLO is theoretically a better offensive player but skillset means so much when it doesn't translate when it matters. He's giving significantly worse offensive production than White in the playoffs while being 1/20th of the defender. |
Ohhh does white play with Tatum Brown and Unicorn and a bench player sniper in PRitchard..you cant possibly be comparing the two based on team makeup and conference and coach......also is their coach DARVIN HAM who might be getting fired due to unheard of attrocities done on this team?
I can tell you now if they had HAM White would be deligated to a 3-D shooter nothing more. He actually has a role and a actual offense White also doesnt deal with LBJ who can play ISO ball at a drop of a hat and the coach will say nothing when ecerything goes stagnant.. |
You do realize DLO's playoff numbers as a Laker are the best in his career? He was even worse in BK and Minny. |
Playoff experience = growth.
And no other third option outplayed him outside of the Nuggets. And his performance this year against Nuggets this season was an improvement over last season. Two great games, and one solid game. Being off from three but going to the basket and hitting big shots is a solid game and helped put us in winning position.
I'd much rather a player continue to get better through playoff experience such as DLO, as opposed to regressing like Rui did.
The team in their second season together, had a better record than last season(would have been 50+ wins if not for Darvin Ham punting a month of the season for no reason) and were tooth and nail with the defending champs and should be going back 3-2. The team is growing and continuity is what allows for that kind of growth. DLO will continue to grow in the Playoffs and progress just as everyone else.
I'm more worried about Rui than I am DLO as DLO moved forward and Rui moved backwards.
| JustaObserver wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | DLO regular season(RS) stats and playoffs(PO) series stats on the same year.
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
DLO's pattern play goes all the way back to his Nets and even his Wolves days, when he was the primary PG. Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance. But the pattern are all the same as each round series goes on. When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks. |
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%[
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance
Not all player performance goes up..it usally goes DOWN as things get tighter and adjustments are made THANKS FOR PROVING THAT..Thumbs up!
When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared
Without him you dont get there..forgot those other series hugh? I didnt....
Also MJST and others have told you how to use the guy..HE...NOT..CHUCKY... ATKINS. You dont know him? Go look him up. go look in this thread from MJST how to use him..i tired of repeating the same points.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks
He didnt shrink in the playoffs getting to the WCF? WHAT HAPPENED?
He didnt shrink. in game 1 YOU LOST A 20pts LEAD! Was that his fault?
He didnt shrink in Game 3 ..you still lost..smh.
Game 5 wasnt good but not bad or disapeared..he got even the layup to tie..WHAT HAPPENED? WAS it his fault too in that game down the stretch?
This blind hate is crazy..but why dont you answer who you want to get to replace him? As this question like your narrative not going away... |
Again, common sense.
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levon
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@Day
These are DLo's quote exact quotes:
| Quote: | “My inspiration has been Derrick White,” Russell said. “I want to be Derrick White. He doesn’t get a lot of credit for what he does. He makes all the winning plays. That’s who I want to be.”
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| Quote: | | “Last year they found a way to get me off the floor by not playing defense, I guess,” Russell said. “So, try to be a reason to eliminate that. Not give them a reason to not have me on the floor. Try to be as dangerous as I can on offense and try not to be a liability on defense. So, that’s what I’m working on. I’m trying to do it now before the season so I continue to practice those good habits.” |
This is him aspiring to become more of a complete player while also being an efficient offensive player. Yet both on tape and in the numbers, we observe him year-after-year be a less dangerous offensive player than White is while being a much worse defensive player. And White is Boston's 4th best player? That's what contender builds look like. You have a player worse than Boston's 4th as your 3rd best and you think this build is everything you could want?
30/30 gms would take White over DLo today. |
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levon
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | DLO regular season(RS) stats and playoffs(PO) series stats on the same year.
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
DLO's pattern play goes all the way back to his Nets and even his Wolves days, when he was the primary PG. Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance. But the pattern are all the same as each round series goes on. When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks. |
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%[
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance
Not all player performance goes up..it usally goes DOWN as things get tighter and adjustments are made THANKS FOR PROVING THAT..Thumbs up!
When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared
Without him you dont get there..forgot those other series hugh? I didnt....
Also MJST and others have told you how to use the guy..HE...NOT..CHUCKY... ATKINS. You dont know him? Go look him up. go look in this thread from MJST how to use him..i tired of repeating the same points.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks
He didnt shrink in the playoffs getting to the WCF? WHAT HAPPENED?
He didnt shrink. in game 1 YOU LOST A 20pts LEAD! Was that his fault?
He didnt shrink in Game 3 ..you still lost..smh.
Game 5 wasnt good but not bad or disapeared..he got even the layup to tie..WHAT HAPPENED? WAS it his fault too in that game down the stretch?
This blind hate is crazy..but why dont you answer who you want to get to replace him? As this question like your narrative not going away... |
Are you that into manbuns? It's rich calling it "blind hate" when level-headed posters are just posting stats. If that's blind hate, is your posting "eyes open infatuation"? |
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Dlo has played his last game for lakers
Opt in and he gets traded
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| miggz23 wrote: | DLO's pattern play goes all the way back to his Nets and even his Wolves days, when he was the primary PG. Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance. But the pattern are all the same as each round series goes on. When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks. |
I've liked a Lakers player more than the franchise before (Kobe). And I'm sympathetic.
The guy set the franchise record for 3pts made in the regular season.
We don't make the play-in without him. And he was huge in the play-in game for us.
But if we bet on him to be a starting PG on a championship team moving forward, given his history. We have nobody else to blame but ourselves.
Maybe he beats the odds. And becomes a good playoff player for the first time next year. In his 10th season in the league. But, I don't want to make that bet.
I'm glad you highlighted his best postseason was last year. Under Ham. DLO's only all star season was under Atkinson. But post season wise. His best performance was here. With a coach, that Shams said isn't coming back next year.
I was kind of buying the "we need to put him on-ball more arguments". And the "he was our best spot up shooter arguments". But unfortunately when I dug into his playoff stats this year. Those arguments aren't backed up by data.
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| Bron2AD wrote: | Dlo has played his last game for lakers
Opt in and he gets traded
Opt out and he is gone to highest bidder |
Yeah. There’s no way we gonna keep recycling the same excuses all over again. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | DLO's pattern play goes all the way back to his Nets and even his Wolves days, when he was the primary PG. Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance. But the pattern are all the same as each round series goes on. When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks. |
I've liked a Lakers player more than the franchise before (Kobe). And I'm sympathetic.
The guy set the franchise record for 3pts made in the regular season.
We don't make the play-in without him. And he was huge in the play-in game for us.
But if we bet on him to be a starting PG on a championship team moving forward, given his history. We have nobody else to blame but ourselves.
Maybe he beats the odds. And becomes a good playoff player for the first time next year. In his 10th season in the league. But, I don't want to make that bet.
I'm glad you highlighted his best postseason was last year. Under Ham. DLO's only all star season was under Atkinson. But post season wise. His best performance was here. With a coach, that Shams said isn't coming back next year.
I was kind of buying the "we need to put him on-ball more arguments". And the "he was our best spot up shooter arguments". But unfortunately when I dug into his playoff stats this year. Those arguments aren't backed up by data. |
That’s the conundrum that the Lakers should not even entertain. It’s Like a false hope. You can’t win with Dlo as a starting PG. so what exactly are we playing for. Regular season, lol. Lebron ain’t getting younger and AD is not getting healthier . Truth pill might be hard to swallow but at least you can move on. |
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| levon wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | DLO regular season(RS) stats and playoffs(PO) series stats on the same year.
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
DLO's pattern play goes all the way back to his Nets and even his Wolves days, when he was the primary PG. Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance. But the pattern are all the same as each round series goes on. When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks. |
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%[
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance
Not all player performance goes up..it usally goes DOWN as things get tighter and adjustments are made THANKS FOR PROVING THAT..Thumbs up!
When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared
Without him you dont get there..forgot those other series hugh? I didnt....
Also MJST and others have told you how to use the guy..HE...NOT..CHUCKY... ATKINS. You dont know him? Go look him up. go look in this thread from MJST how to use him..i tired of repeating the same points.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks
He didnt shrink in the playoffs getting to the WCF? WHAT HAPPENED?
He didnt shrink. in game 1 YOU LOST A 20pts LEAD! Was that his fault?
He didnt shrink in Game 3 ..you still lost..smh.
Game 5 wasnt good but not bad or disapeared..he got even the layup to tie..WHAT HAPPENED? WAS it his fault too in that game down the stretch?
This blind hate is crazy..but why dont you answer who you want to get to replace him? As this question like your narrative not going away... |
Are you that into manbuns? It's rich calling it "blind hate" when level-headed posters are just posting stats. If that's blind hate, is your posting "eyes open infatuation"? |
All that and you still didnt answer the simple question.... |
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| levon wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | DLO regular season(RS) stats and playoffs(PO) series stats on the same year.
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
DLO's pattern play goes all the way back to his Nets and even his Wolves days, when he was the primary PG. Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance. But the pattern are all the same as each round series goes on. When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks. |
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%[
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance
Not all player performance goes up..it usally goes DOWN as things get tighter and adjustments are made THANKS FOR PROVING THAT..Thumbs up!
When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared
Without him you dont get there..forgot those other series hugh? I didnt....
Also MJST and others have told you how to use the guy..HE...NOT..CHUCKY... ATKINS. You dont know him? Go look him up. go look in this thread from MJST how to use him..i tired of repeating the same points.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks
He didnt shrink in the playoffs getting to the WCF? WHAT HAPPENED?
He didnt shrink. in game 1 YOU LOST A 20pts LEAD! Was that his fault?
He didnt shrink in Game 3 ..you still lost..smh.
Game 5 wasnt good but not bad or disapeared..he got even the layup to tie..WHAT HAPPENED? WAS it his fault too in that game down the stretch?
This blind hate is crazy..but why dont you answer who you want to get to replace him? As this question like your narrative not going away... |
Are you that into manbuns? It's rich calling it "blind hate" when level-headed posters are just posting stats. If that's blind hate, is your posting "eyes open infatuation"? |
Blind hatred is when you ignore all the good someone does and try to make 1-2 games their entire legacy.
Ignoring the good playoff performances he had in the two rounds previously. They want to make Denver his only performance and neglect that we don't get past The Warriors or Grizzlies without him.
And without him we wouldn't have been on the verge of beating Denver in Games 2, 4 and 5. He wasn't the one that let us down in the Playoffs.
Not when you have the performances of Vincent, Dinwiddie and Rui.
| JustaObserver wrote: | | levon wrote: |
Are you that into manbuns? It's rich calling it "blind hate" when level-headed posters are just posting stats. If that's blind hate, is your posting "eyes open infatuation"? |
All that and you still didnt answer the simple question.... |
They can't. That's why they never give an answer.
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That’s the conundrum that the Lakers should not even entertain. It’s Like a false hope. You can’t win with Dlo as a starting PG. so what exactly are we playing for. Regular season, lol. Lebron ain’t getting younger and AD is not getting healthier . Truth pill might be hard to swallow but at least you can move on. |
The best argument one could make for keeping him long term is: who do you get instead of him?
But when you've been on LG as long as you and I have been. You realize. Us fans lack the knowledge and imagination to really answer that question.
Perfect example is the trade that brought DLO here. We were all heavily crapping on "Westbrick". Kicking, screaming, and yelling about how he single-handedly destroyed our great franchise in a way that couldn't be repaired.
And within a day, near the trade deadline, a multi-team, multi player deal, with "Westbrick" as the biggest contract, turned our doomed season around with a trade nobody even imagined.
Bring DLO back so we can trade him. But history has shown. If we can't name a way we can get better trading him. That doesn't mean a way doesn't exist.
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| CRoost wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | Dlo has played his last game for lakers
Opt in and he gets traded
Opt out and he is gone to highest bidder |
Yeah. There’s no way we gonna keep recycling the same excuses all over again. |
What are you talking about? You going to take the same excuses of why we lose in the playoffs and apply them to the same group of players or role players. If not DLO ..then Rui..Not Rui then Gabe..Not Gabe ..then Spence..Not Spence? ..then Prince 
However i know the two you wont... 
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| kikanga wrote: | | CRoost wrote: |
That’s the conundrum that the Lakers should not even entertain. It’s Like a false hope. You can’t win with Dlo as a starting PG. so what exactly are we playing for. Regular season, lol. Lebron ain’t getting younger and AD is not getting healthier . Truth pill might be hard to swallow but at least you can move on. |
The best argument one could make for keeping him long term is: who do you get instead of him?
But when you've been on LG as long as you and I have been. You realize. Us fans lack the knowledge and imagination to really answer that question.
Perfect example is the trade that brought DLO here. We were all heavily crapping on "Westbrick". Kicking, screaming, and yelling about how he single-handedly destroyed our great franchise.
And within a day, near the trade deadline, a multi-team, multi player deal, with him as the biggest contract, turned our doomed season around with a trade nobody even imagined. |
And that trade took us to the WCF.
The ideas of "Hield/Turner" didn't conceive any of that. Not Rui, not DLO and Beasley and not Vando.
The Playoffs made me wish we had Beasley instead of Gabe Vincent in the corners. But more so just made me upset that Ham kept Christie on the bench when Vincent and Dinwiddie were playing bad.
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| MJST wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | CRoost wrote: |
That’s the conundrum that the Lakers should not even entertain. It’s Like a false hope. You can’t win with Dlo as a starting PG. so what exactly are we playing for. Regular season, lol. Lebron ain’t getting younger and AD is not getting healthier . Truth pill might be hard to swallow but at least you can move on. |
The best argument one could make for keeping him long term is: who do you get instead of him?
But when you've been on LG as long as you and I have been. You realize. Us fans lack the knowledge and imagination to really answer that question.
Perfect example is the trade that brought DLO here. We were all heavily crapping on "Westbrick". Kicking, screaming, and yelling about how he single-handedly destroyed our great franchise.
And within a day, near the trade deadline, a multi-team, multi player deal, with him as the biggest contract, turned our doomed season around with a trade nobody even imagined. |
And that trade took us to the WCF.
The ideas of "Hield/Turner" didn't conceive any of that. Not Rui, not DLO and Beasley and not Vando.
The Playoffs made me wish we had Beasley instead of Gabe Vincent in the corners. But more so just made me upset that Ham kept Christie on the bench when Vincent and Dinwiddie were playing bad. |
Even if we had Beasley, even if Ham had an ounce of foresight to develop our young guys (like Christie) throughout the season (instead of wasting minutes on Cam). So Christie was playoff ready.
Ham still would've found a way to screw it up.
I don't know if I'm trying to make you feel better or worse by saying that.
But good news is. Shams doesn't miss. Ham won't be back next year.
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@MJST It isn't 1-2 games, and I'm not talking legacy. Feels like I'm talking to a pair of walls here.
I'm talking about the best thing for the team moving forward. That falls into a range of acceptable futures among most level-headed posters, which I consider myself. If you and others think I'm being too hard on DLo, strongly consider that you aren't starting from an unbiased perspective yourself.
The two ends of that range are DLo walking in disgrace and fans shaming him on his way out, and the other side is DLo staying and us entering into the playoffs again with him as our third best player.
I want a future in between that involves either: signing and trading him for an upgrade, which you seem to believe doesn't exist on this planet, or trading others to acquire a true 3a that DLo can maybe alternate with as 3B, much like D White does (though again, White's a much better player).
No, he's not a dependable 3A who's just been misunderstood. No, he's not an above-average starting point guard in this league. We have to operate based on that going forward if we're still building around AD. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | CRoost wrote: |
That’s the conundrum that the Lakers should not even entertain. It’s Like a false hope. You can’t win with Dlo as a starting PG. so what exactly are we playing for. Regular season, lol. Lebron ain’t getting younger and AD is not getting healthier . Truth pill might be hard to swallow but at least you can move on. |
The best argument one could make for keeping him long term is: who do you get instead of him?
But when you've been on LG as long as you and I have been. You realize. Us fans lack the knowledge and imagination to really answer that question.
Perfect example is the trade that brought DLO here. We were all heavily crapping on "Westbrick". Kicking, screaming, and yelling about how he single-handedly destroyed our great franchise in a way that couldn't be repaired.
And within a day, near the trade deadline, a multi-team, multi player deal, with "Westbrick" as the biggest contract, turned our doomed season around with a trade nobody even imagined.
Bring DLO back so we can trade him. But history has shown. If we can't name a way we can get better trading him. That doesn't mean a way doesn't exist. |
Lakers will revisit the DJM trade proposal again. This time armed with 2 FRPs that Hawks want and also a couple of contract that can match his salary.
We can also explore Schroder again. We need some warrior in this squad. We have have 2 unathletic guards on a perimeter . |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | Dlo has played his last game for lakers
Opt in and he gets traded
Opt out and he is gone to highest bidder |
Yeah. There’s no way we gonna keep recycling the same excuses all over again. |
What are you talking about? You going to take the same excuses of why we lose in the playoffs and apply them to the same group of players or role players. If not DLO ..then Rui..Not Rui then Gabe..Not Gabe ..then Spence..Not Spence? ..then Prince
However i know the two you wont... |
LMAO. Even if make up million of excuses for those players, it does not change anything about how terrible Dlo when it matters. |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | DLO regular season(RS) stats and playoffs(PO) series stats on the same year.
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
DLO's pattern play goes all the way back to his Nets and even his Wolves days, when he was the primary PG. Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance. But the pattern are all the same as each round series goes on. When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks. |
Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance[/b]
Not all player performance goes up..it usally goes DOWN as things get tighter and adjustments are made THANKS FOR PROVING THAT..Thumbs up!
When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared
Without him you dont get there..forgot those other series hugh? I didnt....
Also MJST and others have told you how to use the guy..HE...NOT..CHUCKY... ATKINS. You dont know him? Go look him up. go look in this thread from MJST how to use him..i tired of repeating the same points.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks
He didnt shrink in the playoffs getting to the WCF? WHAT HAPPENED?
He didnt shrink. in game 1 YOU LOST A 20pts LEAD! Was that his fault?
He didnt shrink in Game 3 ..you still lost..smh.
Game 5 wasnt good but not bad or disapeared..he got even the layup to tie..WHAT HAPPENED? WAS it his fault too in that game down the stretch?
This blind hate is crazy..but why dont you answer who you want to get to replace him? As this question like your narrative not going away... |
Posting actual stats and numbers are called BLIND HATE now? Those numbers shows that come playoffs time, he does not raise his game. Actually it shows his numbers goes down and shrinks. We're not talking about 1 or 2 games here. Were talking about 6 playoffs series. YES HE SHRINKS!!!
His replacement is irrelevant at this point, because we don't know who's available and will be targeted in the off season. One thing I know, this team has won a title with a bunch of defensive poa defenders at the PG spot before.
Also I'm NOT on the TRAE YOUNG wagon. Just want to mention that. |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | DLO regular season(RS) stats and playoffs(PO) series stats on the same year.
2019 Nets
RS: 21.1ppg/7apg/3.9rpg in 43%/37%/78% (Allstar)
PO: 19.4ppg/3.6apg/3.6rpg in 36%/32%/84%
2022 Twolves
RS: 18.1ppg/7.1apg/3.3rpg in 41%/34%/83%
PO: 12ppg/6.7apg/2.5rpg in 33%/39%/75%
2023 Wolves/Lakers:
RS: 17.5ppg/6.2apg/3rpg in 47%/40%/80%
1st: 16.7ppg/5.8apg/3.7rpg in 44%/37%/77%
2nd: 14.7ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 45%/31%/78%
WCF: 6.3ppg/3.5apg/2.0rpg in 32%/13%/75%
2024 Lakers:
RS: 18ppg/6.3apg/3.1rpg in 46%/42%/83% (Best career season)
PO: 14.2ppg/4.2apg/2.8rpg in 38%/32%/50%
DLO's pattern play goes all the way back to his Nets and even his Wolves days, when he was the primary PG. Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance. But the pattern are all the same as each round series goes on. When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks. |
Even his best playoffs series last year was a downgrade from his regular season performance[/b]
Not all player performance goes up..it usally goes DOWN as things get tighter and adjustments are made THANKS FOR PROVING THAT..Thumbs up!
When he got to the WCF he pretty much disappeared
Without him you dont get there..forgot those other series hugh? I didnt....
Also MJST and others have told you how to use the guy..HE...NOT..CHUCKY... ATKINS. You dont know him? Go look him up. go look in this thread from MJST how to use him..i tired of repeating the same points.
You can blame coaches, play calls, team mates. But multiple similar patterns on different teams? At some point, you just have to look at the player for who he is. Very good regular season guy, but come playoffs time he just shrinks
He didnt shrink in the playoffs getting to the WCF? WHAT HAPPENED?
He didnt shrink. in game 1 YOU LOST A 20pts LEAD! Was that his fault?
He didnt shrink in Game 3 ..you still lost..smh.
Game 5 wasnt good but not bad or disapeared..he got even the layup to tie..WHAT HAPPENED? WAS it his fault too in that game down the stretch?
This blind hate is crazy..but why dont you answer who you want to get to replace him? As this question like your narrative not going away... |
Posting actual stats and numbers are called BLIND HATE now? Those numbers shows that come playoffs time, he does not raise his game. Actually it shows his numbers goes down and shrinks. We're not talking about 1 or 2 games here. Were talking about 6 playoffs series. YES HE SHRINKS!!!
His replacement is irrelevant at this point, because we don't know who's available and will be targeted in the off season. One thing I know, this team has won a title with a bunch of defensive poa defenders at the PG spot before.
Also I'm NOT on the TRAE YOUNG wagon. Just want to mention that. |
The question is not hard..its a simple who do you want to replace him with? |
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