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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:22 am Post subject:
Ocasio Cortez is becoming my favorite legislator. She lacks experience and polish. But she's improving quickly. I think paying her staff a living wage unlike most Congressmen is a factor.
She's genuine. One of Obama's greatest political attributes. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:58 am Post subject:
Surfitall wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
Surfitall wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
tlim wrote:
I've always felt that the efforts against Pelosi were really just misogyny.
Love what she has done and will do.
You know why? . . . Because that is exactly what it is.
Really? You can’t disagree with some of the policies she has supported and her reluctance to support other policies (like Medicare For All)? You can’t be against corporatism in the Democratic Party, of which she plays a significant role and crave something different? It has to be misogyny?
Plenty of men have similar positions and don't get the amount of flack that she does. I wonder what the difference is . . .
I have substantive differences with Surf, but I will vouch for him on the fact that he views all the mainstream democrats pretty equally. He’s an exception though.
Where did I imply otherwise?
I didn’t read in one way or the other whether you were implying Surf was one of those people (it was ambiguous). I was just making sure the point was made.
Much obliged.
Back to the topic at hand...Da Mule...you wonder what the difference is? It could be that she’s a woman. It could also be that she’s speaker of the house and gets the extra attention because of the power one in that role can wield.
There is no question that misogyny exists and that has been used against Pelosi, especially from the right. But to make a blanket statement that the efforts against Pelosi were really just misogyny is ignoring the policies many Progressives in the party are passionate about, and which Pelosi hedges or downright disagrees with. Hell, Ocasio-Cortez-Cortez joined protesters in her office just a couple weeks ago to demand faster action on climate change.
I say this about Pelosi though, she skillfully managed to get the new young progressives on her side and the reality is everyone else who was even considering running against Pelosi was to the right of her, so the progressives went with the best possible option at this time. It will be interesting to see how her Speakership plays outover the coming years.
Misogyny isn't the only reason she gets heat, but it is no doubt a large factor in it. And yes, some of here policies garner criticism and that's fair. But the amplitude and language in regards to Pelosi is different than men of a similar position policy-wise. It's just like Hilary. There are certainly reasons to be critical of her, but the nature of much of that criticism is quite different than that leveled towards her male counterparts. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:24 am Post subject:
VicXLakers wrote:
Now
Russia'a
Accomplice
One of the Horror Movies of my childhood was the first
Red Dawn.
Russian Migs flying over and Soviets locking us up in caged cities
Really odd how Republicans call everyone else traitor and unpatriotic yet they would give the keys
To a man they knew was beholden to Russia and watch him repeatedly not enact sanctions that
Were mandated to be enacted
Now they are doing the least patriotic thing and trying to remove democracy from the people of their states
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:29 am Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
Ocasio Cortez is becoming my favorite legislator. She lacks experience and polish. But she's improving quickly. I think paying her staff a living wage unlike most Congressmen is a factor.
She's genuine. One of Obama's greatest political attributes.
Send her a Facebook or email and let her know the only way real change happens in
US politics is when you start locking up all of the above the law types from any party
Georgia let Russia hack their servers in 2016. And erased the whole server immediately after courts told them to let investigators look at them. Lock up the person responsible immediately
I like her a lot too Moxie Articulate Attractive
Ready to punch trolls in their mouths
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:34 pm Post subject:
Trump said people are clamoring to work for this administration. He can't find a replacement for Kelly. His first choice, Nick Ayers, declined the job. This administration is falling apart at the seams. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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One of the Horror Movies of my childhood was the first
Red Dawn.
Russian Migs flying over and Soviets locking us up in caged cities
Really odd how Republicans call everyone else traitor and unpatriotic yet they would give the keys
To a man they knew was beholden to Russia and watch him repeatedly not enact sanctions that
Were mandated to be enacted
Now they are doing the least patriotic thing and trying to remove democracy from the people of their states
growing up I never bought into the hide under the desk 60's cold war stuff and I knew they wouldn't invade (just throwing a bar-b-q with some blondes on the beach would stop them) so I never had that worry...
...but after the petty and not so petty stuff the republicans pulled for Nixon I knew it wasn't this country they were working for
Trump said people are clamoring to work for this administration. He can't find a replacement for Kelly. His first choice, Nick Ayers, declined the job. This administration is falling apart at the seams.
other trump fantasies...
“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”
“I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I’m more honest and my women are more beautiful.”
“The point is, you can never be too greedy.”
“My IQ is one of the highest — and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure; it’s not your fault.”
and class is class..
“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”
Trump Having Marine One Practice Drill for his Delivery to the Russians Post Presidency _________________ I'm On point, On task, On message, and Off drugs. A Streetwise Smart Bomb, Out of rehab and In denial. Over the Top, On the edge, Under the Radar, and In Control. Behind the 8 ball, Ahead of the Curve and I've got a Love Child who sends me Hate mail.
Trump in a cell block for Mexicans, so he can look back and reflect on his "rapists" comment. _________________ “Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.”
― Isaac Asimov
Rachel had a segment on whether the Southern District might just be independent enough to try to indict Trump (her guest thought that would be a real long shot) and can the statute of limitations be extended, which is just one more of those unprecedented areas we now face, so we don't know.
On another note, imagine if Trump and his kids were all convicted. That is going to be one crowded jail as he and his children are entitled to lifetime secret service protection. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
^ From what I've heard from the experts, a sealed indictment right now would take care of the statute of limitations. The indictment wouldn't become public until he left office, but he would technically be indicted years earlier while in office. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
White House reporters coming out of the meeting between President Trump, Senator Chuck Schumer and Rep Nancy Pelosi look stunned. I'm told all three were yelling at each other, sparring openly and accusing each other of mischaracterizing comments.
They're not playing anymore. And Pelosi's not rolling over on money for a wall like Schumer would.
President Trump said: I'd like to not have a government shutdown but border security is a top priority.
"Border security is extremely important and we have to take care of border security," Trump said.
President Trump in meeting: "We are going to talk about the wall...And I'll tell you it's a tough issue because we are on opposite sides."
Nancy Pelosi: I don't think we should have a debate in front of reporters...There are no votes for a wall.
Trump: If I needed the votes in the House I would have them...I need 10 Democratic Senators but I can't get it.
Trump talking over Pelosi: "We need border security. We need border security."
Nancy Pelosi: "Of course we do."
Trump: "We need the wall....Chuck did you want to say something?"
Chuck: The WaPo gives you pinocchios for misstatements on the wall.
Chuck: "We want to do what we did last year...Let's debate in private."
Trump: "See we get along...We need border security and the wall is part of border security."
President Trump repeatedly interrupted and talked over Nancy Pelosi as she made the case that they should continue debating in private and not in front of reporters.
Pelosi: This is not transparency when we can't agree on the same set of facts.
Trump: "We need border security."
Trump: "Nancy is in a situation where it is not easy for her to talk."
Pelosi quickly defended herself: Please don't mischaracterize the strength I bring as the leader of the House Dems who just had a big victory.
Pelosi adds, "We need to have an evidence based conversation."
Pres. Trump: "I am proud to shut down the government for border security...I will be the one of shutdown the government."
Trump adds that he won't blame Democrats for the shutdown if he shuts down for border security.
Trump did not like that Nancy Pelosi called it the "Trump Shutdown."
God, he's an idiot. He thinks he's going to bully her. Bad move. And bragging that he can proudly shut down the government?
And no Chief-of-Staff candidate in sight.
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I caught a bit of mini-press conference afterward (not verbatim, just my recollection):
Nancy Pelosi: I wanted to have the conversation in private. It had nothing to do with lack of transparency. I wanted a fact-based discussion. Trump was saying numbers that aren't accurate. I didn't want to have to say before the cameras, "You don't know what you're talking about."
NV GOP chair says 2018, in which GOP lost U.S. Senate seat, lost gov for first time in 20 years, lost 5 of 6 statewide offices, lost two contested congressional races and lost seats in both leg houses "built a strong foundation to put us in a position to win in 2020 and beyond.”
Trump is the loud, obnoxious, overbearing know-it-all at the bar who thinks he's an expert on everything, but actually knows very little and still tries to filibuster every conversation. It was even worse to watch than reading the transcript. How +50 million people fell for this huskster con-man will mystify me until my dying day.
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