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DaMuleRules
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| 20,000 wrote: | I enjoyed reading this article about the Feinstein encounter from The Atlantic.
| Quote: | But it was the sanctimonious comments of one of the teenagers in the group that provided the astonishing highlight of the film. “Senator,” the young woman said in a patronizing voice, “we are asking you to be brave.”
Brave? She wants Dianne Feinstein to be brave?
Feinstein was the president of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1978, at work in city hall on the day Dan White murdered Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone. She was the person who found Milk’s body and who announced the murders—calmly and with no indication of how physically close she had been to the danger—to the horrified city at an ad-hoc press conference an hour later. She was, by then, used to the confluence of violence and politics. She had previously been targeted by one of the lunatic revolutionary groups that operated in California in the 1970s, which attempted to bomb her San Francisco home and shot out the windows of her beach house. She served out the rest of Moscone’s term and went on to serve two full terms as mayor before her first senatorial campaign. You can say many things about Feinstein, but to suggest she lacks bravery is the assumption of someone who can’t imagine that old people have often had their characters forged by experiences in which they displayed great valor. |
| Quote: | | The children had been taught that confrontation is the way to achieve political goals. But the senior senator from California knows more about climate science and American realpolitik than all the fifth graders in the world. As a woman who stormed into the male world of city and national politics when it was an actual boys’ club, she’s had to put up with more rudeness and bullying than many of us can imagine; she’s used to people underestimating her. If she’s going to lose any of her famous courage, it’s not because angry children showed up to teach her a lesson. |
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Actually, the biggest sanctionmousness there is the Atlantic article.
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You know who is awful? Tucker Carlson. So I have admit feeling a sense of schadenfreude watching this interview with Dutch historian Rutger Bregman.
You may remember Mr. Bregman as the guy on a panel with billionaires at Davos who basically said that the super rich aren’t paying their fair share in taxes compared to everyone else. (Forcing Michael Dell if my memory is right to talk about all the wonderful things he does through philanthropy.)
Well Tucker Carlson brought him on the show because Trump calls the people in Davos the Davos elite, flying in on private jets to talk about the horrors of climate change. Seem like a great fit for Fox, right. Wrong. Fox refused to air the clip and you can watch Tucker Carlson lose his cool:
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| 20,000 wrote: | I enjoyed reading this article about the Feinstein encounter from The Atlantic.
| Quote: | But it was the sanctimonious comments of one of the teenagers in the group that provided the astonishing highlight of the film. “Senator,” the young woman said in a patronizing voice, “we are asking you to be brave.”
Brave? She wants Dianne Feinstein to be brave?
Feinstein was the president of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1978, at work in city hall on the day Dan White murdered Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone. She was the person who found Milk’s body and who announced the murders—calmly and with no indication of how physically close she had been to the danger—to the horrified city at an ad-hoc press conference an hour later. She was, by then, used to the confluence of violence and politics. She had previously been targeted by one of the lunatic revolutionary groups that operated in California in the 1970s, which attempted to bomb her San Francisco home and shot out the windows of her beach house. She served out the rest of Moscone’s term and went on to serve two full terms as mayor before her first senatorial campaign. You can say many things about Feinstein, but to suggest she lacks bravery is the assumption of someone who can’t imagine that old people have often had their characters forged by experiences in which they displayed great valor. |
| Quote: | | The children had been taught that confrontation is the way to achieve political goals. But the senior senator from California knows more about climate science and American realpolitik than all the fifth graders in the world. As a woman who stormed into the male world of city and national politics when it was an actual boys’ club, she’s had to put up with more rudeness and bullying than many of us can imagine; she’s used to people underestimating her. If she’s going to lose any of her famous courage, it’s not because angry children showed up to teach her a lesson. |
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Pointing out how brave she was in the 70's, when she was young and perhaps more passionate, doesn't really translate to how she is in her 80's. |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | 20,000 wrote: | I enjoyed reading this article about the Feinstein encounter from The Atlantic.
| Quote: | But it was the sanctimonious comments of one of the teenagers in the group that provided the astonishing highlight of the film. “Senator,” the young woman said in a patronizing voice, “we are asking you to be brave.”
Brave? She wants Dianne Feinstein to be brave?
Feinstein was the president of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1978, at work in city hall on the day Dan White murdered Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone. She was the person who found Milk’s body and who announced the murders—calmly and with no indication of how physically close she had been to the danger—to the horrified city at an ad-hoc press conference an hour later. She was, by then, used to the confluence of violence and politics. She had previously been targeted by one of the lunatic revolutionary groups that operated in California in the 1970s, which attempted to bomb her San Francisco home and shot out the windows of her beach house. She served out the rest of Moscone’s term and went on to serve two full terms as mayor before her first senatorial campaign. You can say many things about Feinstein, but to suggest she lacks bravery is the assumption of someone who can’t imagine that old people have often had their characters forged by experiences in which they displayed great valor. |
| Quote: | | The children had been taught that confrontation is the way to achieve political goals. But the senior senator from California knows more about climate science and American realpolitik than all the fifth graders in the world. As a woman who stormed into the male world of city and national politics when it was an actual boys’ club, she’s had to put up with more rudeness and bullying than many of us can imagine; she’s used to people underestimating her. If she’s going to lose any of her famous courage, it’s not because angry children showed up to teach her a lesson. |
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Pointing out how brave she was in the 70's, when she was young and perhaps more passionate, doesn't really translate to how she is in her 80's. |
It also just proves what a sell out she is.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | 20,000 wrote: | I enjoyed reading this article about the Feinstein encounter from The Atlantic.
| Quote: | But it was the sanctimonious comments of one of the teenagers in the group that provided the astonishing highlight of the film. “Senator,” the young woman said in a patronizing voice, “we are asking you to be brave.”
Brave? She wants Dianne Feinstein to be brave?
Feinstein was the president of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1978, at work in city hall on the day Dan White murdered Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone. She was the person who found Milk’s body and who announced the murders—calmly and with no indication of how physically close she had been to the danger—to the horrified city at an ad-hoc press conference an hour later. She was, by then, used to the confluence of violence and politics. She had previously been targeted by one of the lunatic revolutionary groups that operated in California in the 1970s, which attempted to bomb her San Francisco home and shot out the windows of her beach house. She served out the rest of Moscone’s term and went on to serve two full terms as mayor before her first senatorial campaign. You can say many things about Feinstein, but to suggest she lacks bravery is the assumption of someone who can’t imagine that old people have often had their characters forged by experiences in which they displayed great valor. |
| Quote: | | The children had been taught that confrontation is the way to achieve political goals. But the senior senator from California knows more about climate science and American realpolitik than all the fifth graders in the world. As a woman who stormed into the male world of city and national politics when it was an actual boys’ club, she’s had to put up with more rudeness and bullying than many of us can imagine; she’s used to people underestimating her. If she’s going to lose any of her famous courage, it’s not because angry children showed up to teach her a lesson. |
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Pointing out how brave she was in the 70's, when she was young and perhaps more passionate, doesn't really translate to how she is in her 80's. |
It also just proves what a sell out she is. |
People can change over 40 years, especially if that time is spent in politics. |
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People can change over 40 years, especially if that time is spent in politics. |
Indeed.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: |
People can change over 40 years, especially if that time is spent in politics. |
Indeed. |
And there's much to be said about having experience and foreseeing what will get passed and what won't, but there are times and issues where getting behind something crazy or seemingly radical is a good idea, especially when doing "just enough" won't combat the issue. |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: |
People can change over 40 years, especially if that time is spent in politics. |
Indeed. |
And there's much to be said about having experience and foreseeing what will get passed and what won't, but there are times and issues where getting behind something crazy or seemingly radical is a good idea, especially when doing "just enough" won't combat the issue. |
And while democrats fight amongst themselves, boom! trump just got re-elected.
I believe feinstein has been privy to some testimonies that implicate trump on some level, and maybe the Dem party line right now is to focus on Mueller stuff and getting the clown out of office before focusing on the Green new deal?
Ever think of that?
Next you gonna tell me that someone other than Pelosi should have been house speaker and been as successful to date in playing hardball w trump in regards to the wall, and the shutdown?
Dem on dem infighting is gonna get Trump reelected, I know it's seems tough, but maybe give dem leadership, and long tenured Dems the chance to prove themselves with the new majority in the congress.
This whole last page is filled with posts of people speaking with near certainty that they know exactly what is going on behind closed doors with elected Dems in DC right now, which you don't.
GIVE.
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| eddiejonze wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: |
People can change over 40 years, especially if that time is spent in politics. |
Indeed. |
And there's much to be said about having experience and foreseeing what will get passed and what won't, but there are times and issues where getting behind something crazy or seemingly radical is a good idea, especially when doing "just enough" won't combat the issue. |
And while democrats fight amongst themselves, boom! trump just got re-elected.
I believe feinstein has been privy to some testimonies that implicate trump on some level, and maybe the Dem party line right now is to focus on Mueller stuff and getting the clown out of office before focusing on the Green new deal?
Ever think of that?
Next you gonna tell me that someone other than Pelosi should have been house speaker and been as successful to date in playing hardball w trump in regards to the wall, and the shutdown?
Dem on dem infighting is gonna get Trump reelected, I know it's seems tough, but maybe give dem leadership, and long tenured Dems the chance to prove themselves with the new majority in the congress.
This whole last page is filled with posts of people speaking with near certainty that they know exactly what is going on behind closed doors with elected Dems in DC right now, which you don't.
GIVE.
THEM.
A.
CHANCE.
TO.
PROVE.
THEMSELVES. |
Every serious Dem candidate is having to say if they are on board with the GND because it has favorable backing from an impassioned group of voters and future voters. Simply dismissing them will also hand Trump a 2nd term. |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | eddiejonze wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: |
People can change over 40 years, especially if that time is spent in politics. |
Indeed. |
And there's much to be said about having experience and foreseeing what will get passed and what won't, but there are times and issues where getting behind something crazy or seemingly radical is a good idea, especially when doing "just enough" won't combat the issue. |
And while democrats fight amongst themselves, boom! trump just got re-elected.
I believe feinstein has been privy to some testimonies that implicate trump on some level, and maybe the Dem party line right now is to focus on Mueller stuff and getting the clown out of office before focusing on the Green new deal?
Ever think of that?
Next you gonna tell me that someone other than Pelosi should have been house speaker and been as successful to date in playing hardball w trump in regards to the wall, and the shutdown?
Dem on dem infighting is gonna get Trump reelected, I know it's seems tough, but maybe give dem leadership, and long tenured Dems the chance to prove themselves with the new majority in the congress.
This whole last page is filled with posts of people speaking with near certainty that they know exactly what is going on behind closed doors with elected Dems in DC right now, which you don't.
GIVE.
THEM.
A.
CHANCE.
TO.
PROVE.
THEMSELVES. |
Every serious Dem candidate is having to say if they are on board with the GND because it has favorable backing from an impassioned group of voters and future voters. Simply dismissing them will also hand Trump a 2nd term. |
Hows that? because if the progressives don't get what they want they will petulantly just not vote like the "bernie or bust" cowards?
The very definition of insanity is to repeat the same mistake twice when you know what the outcome will be.
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| vanexelent wrote: | | eddiejonze wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: |
People can change over 40 years, especially if that time is spent in politics. |
Indeed. |
And there's much to be said about having experience and foreseeing what will get passed and what won't, but there are times and issues where getting behind something crazy or seemingly radical is a good idea, especially when doing "just enough" won't combat the issue. |
And while democrats fight amongst themselves, boom! trump just got re-elected.
I believe feinstein has been privy to some testimonies that implicate trump on some level, and maybe the Dem party line right now is to focus on Mueller stuff and getting the clown out of office before focusing on the Green new deal?
Ever think of that?
Next you gonna tell me that someone other than Pelosi should have been house speaker and been as successful to date in playing hardball w trump in regards to the wall, and the shutdown?
Dem on dem infighting is gonna get Trump reelected, I know it's seems tough, but maybe give dem leadership, and long tenured Dems the chance to prove themselves with the new majority in the congress.
This whole last page is filled with posts of people speaking with near certainty that they know exactly what is going on behind closed doors with elected Dems in DC right now, which you don't.
GIVE.
THEM.
A.
CHANCE.
TO.
PROVE.
THEMSELVES. |
Every serious Dem candidate is having to say if they are on board with the GND because it has favorable backing from an impassioned group of voters and future voters. Simply dismissing them will also hand Trump a 2nd term. |
I think there is a generational changing of the guard happening, and it is going to take a little time to figure things out. And that's OK. The biggest thing that needs to happen is for all of the constituencies to sit down and hammer out a priority list of things they are all behind, and work toward a common position on the other things, while keeping the focus on who the real enemy is.
DiFi isn't the enemy of AOC, and vice versa. They will disagree on a lot, but that is disagreement within a family. We all need to remember that and respect each other.
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| eddiejonze wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: |
Every serious Dem candidate is having to say if they are on board with the GND because it has favorable backing from an impassioned group of voters and future voters. Simply dismissing them will also hand Trump a 2nd term. |
Hows that? because if the progressives don't get what they want they will petulantly just not vote like the "bernie or bust" cowards?
The very definition of insanity is to repeat the same mistake twice when you know what the outcome will be. |
So why wouldn't equal expectations be placed on the elder statesman, who fought to give HRC the nomination, which lead to a Trump victory? |
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I think there is a generational changing of the guard happening, and it is going to take a little time to figure things out. And that's OK. The biggest thing that needs to happen is for all of the constituencies to sit down and hammer out a priority list of things they are all behind, and work toward a common position on the other things, while keeping the focus on who the real enemy is.
DiFi isn't the enemy of AOC, and vice versa. They will disagree on a lot, but that is disagreement within a family. We all need to remember that and respect each other. |
I agree. I think the Green New Deal is catchy and is an easy sell to the American public. But, it will take centrist backing to hammer out how it will be implemented and how to get backing. Republicans are always passing legislation and then saying "we'll hammer out the details later". That's what should be happening with the GND. |
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I remember Anthony Robbins saying something about looks and demeanor meaning a Lot to voters and their willingness to vote for a person
Bernie just looks like some angry old man yelling at the wind or something
The evil Mr Burns scheming and plotting
In our no attention span society it counts
Sorry Burnie
*an aside but the topic reminded me of times when i used to watch Democracy Now. The lady on the show.. years back.. looked just disgusted and pissed off most every show.. I tuned in awhile back and she looked less grumped  |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | eddiejonze wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: |
Every serious Dem candidate is having to say if they are on board with the GND because it has favorable backing from an impassioned group of voters and future voters. Simply dismissing them will also hand Trump a 2nd term. |
Hows that? because if the progressives don't get what they want they will petulantly just not vote like the "bernie or bust" cowards?
The very definition of insanity is to repeat the same mistake twice when you know what the outcome will be. |
So why wouldn't equal expectations be placed on the elder statesman, who fought to give HRC the nomination, which lead to a Trump victory? |
Sorry, we might be in different media bubbles- HRC would have won if Comey didn't come out with the report 10 DAYS before the election, even IF she didn't campaign in the midwest.
Even Comey himself now admits this.
She was a strong candidate.
She would have been a fine president as well.
70,000 total votes man.
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| eddiejonze wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | eddiejonze wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: |
Every serious Dem candidate is having to say if they are on board with the GND because it has favorable backing from an impassioned group of voters and future voters. Simply dismissing them will also hand Trump a 2nd term. |
Hows that? because if the progressives don't get what they want they will petulantly just not vote like the "bernie or bust" cowards?
The very definition of insanity is to repeat the same mistake twice when you know what the outcome will be. |
So why wouldn't equal expectations be placed on the elder statesman, who fought to give HRC the nomination, which lead to a Trump victory? |
Sorry, we might be in different media bubbles- HRC would have won if Comey didn't come out with the report 10 DAYS before the election, even IF she didn't campaign in the midwest.
Even Comey himself now admits this.
She was a strong candidate.
She would have been a fine president as well.
70,000 total votes man. |
I voted for her... And I'm not going to discuss why she lost for millionth time, but I will say that the political machine was behind her and against any newcomer (even if Bernie was older). |
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When I read this I almost SMH. I say almost because I've come to realize he throws ish upside the wall to see what sticks. How he can say anything about racist hits use to puzzle me. Now it I take it as Trump norm.
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Heads up. Set your clocks.
Michael Cohen to testify on Capitol Hill this week
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I always thought minorities, especially Asians/Latinos where the 0&1st generations are abundant that it’s a more conservative voting block, I think with GOP being pretty openly racist causes 70%+ to vote Democrat |
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CNN Bernie
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Gonna fight big pharma
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