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Interesting odds shift in the race. The bookies are now giving Trump Even money odds at winning the election (from about +140 or so about a week ago; obviously, it makes sense that he's the clear favorite because he's got his party's nomination locked up), and the Dems are -115 to win while the Republicans are -105, a virtual tie. Last week, it was something like -130/+115 for the Democrats. Even the Democratic nominee odds have changed. Biden is still the favorite at +200, but Mayor Pete has moved up to second choice (+450), and Warren has moved up to the third choice at +600. Bernie has fallen back to the fourth choice at +1000, and Harris is now the sixth choice at +1500. (Yang is actually listed at +1200.)
As a big fan of Mayor Pete, even if he doesn't win this nomination, he's setting himself up for a great future in politics, if he wants it. House Rep? Senator? A Cabinet post? I mean, he's 37. He could still run for president in 10 years. In 20. Who knows. |
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For those who hate him or those who like him or those conflicted or those who don't care, Bill Mahre is going to be on Cuomo's show on CNN starting at 6:00 PST.
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| ribeye wrote: | | For those who hate him or those who like him or those conflicted or those who don't care, Bill Mahre is going to be on Cuomo's show on CNN starting at 6:00 PST. |
The only reason to watch him is to hear his guests. Last think anyone needs is to watch Maher when he is the guest.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | For those who hate him or those who like him or those conflicted or those who don't care, Bill Mahre is going to be on Cuomo's show on CNN starting at 6:00 PST. |
The only reason to watch him is to hear his guests. Last think anyone needs is to watch Maher when he is the guest. |
We certainly know where you stand. Probably best that you didn't watch.
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| ribeye wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | For those who hate him or those who like him or those conflicted or those who don't care, Bill Mahre is going to be on Cuomo's show on CNN starting at 6:00 PST. |
The only reason to watch him is to hear his guests. Last think anyone needs is to watch Maher when he is the guest. |
We certainly know where you stand. Probably best that you didn't watch. |
Oh no doubt. Hope you enjoyed it though.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | Interesting odds shift in the race. The bookies are now giving Trump Even money odds at winning the election (from about +140 or so about a week ago; obviously, it makes sense that he's the clear favorite because he's got his party's nomination locked up), and the Dems are -115 to win while the Republicans are -105, a virtual tie. Last week, it was something like -130/+115 for the Democrats. Even the Democratic nominee odds have changed. Biden is still the favorite at +200, but Mayor Pete has moved up to second choice (+450), and Warren has moved up to the third choice at +600. Bernie has fallen back to the fourth choice at +1000, and Harris is now the sixth choice at +1500. (Yang is actually listed at +1200.)
As a big fan of Mayor Pete, even if he doesn't win this nomination, he's setting himself up for a great future in politics, if he wants it. House Rep? Senator? A Cabinet post? I mean, he's 37. He could still run for president in 10 years. In 20. Who knows. |
Even money sounds reasonable to me. Great economy (no matter how little he might've had to do with it) + incumbency advantage is nothing to sneeze at. Add in Trump's ability to drag his opponents down with him to the dirt, and that might make up for his historical unpopularity. |
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Again, still, Americans prefer progressive values.
Pelosi’s Agenda Is Popular — Much More So Than Impeaching Trump
| Quote: | | Under Pelosi’s direction, House Democrats have spent the past few months passing numerous bills on issues other than impeachment that Senate Republicans have ignored. |
| Quote: | | Pelosi has outlined an agenda of nine signature bills. Democrats have approved six of them. And Pelosi’s agenda, unlike impeachment, is popular with the public; it unites congressional Democrats and to some extent divides congressional Republicans. |
The polling for these nine bills is contained within the article.
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| ribeye wrote: | | For those who hate him or those who like him or those conflicted or those who don't care, Bill Maher is going to be on Cuomo's show on CNN starting at 6:00 PST. |
And, for what it is worth, part two will be on today.
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Biden continues to be pretty clueless about the current world, and that should be concerning:
Joe Biden: Republicans ‘Know Better,’ Will Change After Trump
″[T]he thing that will fundamentally change things is with Donald Trump out of the White House. Not a joke,” Biden said at an event in New Hampshire in May. “It’s already beginning ― in the House now, you’ve seen people that in fact were not willing to vote for any Democratic initiative, even if they agreed with it, because they didn’t want to be the odd person out if it wasn’t going to happen.”
While campaigning for reelection in 2012, Obama predicted that if he won a second term, the “Republican fever may break.” He added: “My hope, my expectation, is that after the election, now that it turns out that the goal of beating Obama doesn’t make much sense because I’m not running again, that we can start getting some cooperation again.”
The fever never broke. Instead, it intensified, culminating in 2016 with Republicans’ nomination of the man who once led the birther movement against Obama.
He should know from first hand experience that the idea that the GOP will come around if Trump is out of office is pure fantasy.
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June 11, 2019 - Top Dems Lead Trump In Head-To-Head Matchups, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Democratic Primary Race Narrows As Biden Goes Flat
| Quote: | In a first look at head-to-head 2020 presidential matchups nationwide, several Democratic challengers lead President Donald Trump, with former Vice President Joseph Biden ahead 53 - 40 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today.
In other matchups, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University National Poll finds:
Joseph Biden ahead 53 - 40 percent (+13)
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders over President Trump 51 - 42 percent; (+9)
California Sen. Kamala Harris ahead of Trump 49 - 41 percent; (+8)
Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren tops Trump 49 - 42 percent; (+7)
South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg edges Trump 47 - 42 percent; (+5)
New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker by a nose over Trump 47 - 42 percent.(+5) |
| Quote: | A total of 70 percent of American voters say the nation's economy is "excellent" or "good," but only 41 percent of voters say Trump deserves credit for an excellent or good economy. Another 27 percent say Trump does not deserve credit and 28 percent say the economy is "not so good" or "poor."
American voters give Trump a negative 42 - 53 (-11) percent overall job approval rating.
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| Quote: | | Voters disapprove 55 - 41 percent of the way Trump is handling the nation's policy toward Mexico. |
| Quote: | Democratic Primary
Biden leads the presidential primary race with 30 percent among Democrats and voters leaning Democratic. This compares to his 35 percent standing May 21, his 38 percent standing in an April 30 Quinnipiac University National Poll, right after he announced his candidacy, and his 29 percent standing March 28.
Sanders is next with 19 percent, compared to 16 percent last month. Warren has 15 percent, compared to 13 percent May 21. Buttigieg has 8 percent, compared to 5 percent last month. Harris is at 7 percent, compared to 8 percent May 21. Former U.S. Rep. Beto O'Rourke is at 3 percent, compared to 2 percent last month.
No other Democrat tops 1 percent, with 14 candidates polling at less than 1 percent. |
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Washington Post: More brutal 2020 poll numbers for Trump
| Quote: | The New York Times just dropped a brutal story reporting that President Trump is instructing his aides to lie about his poor standing in internal polls. And a new poll just made their job much more difficult.
Quinnipiac University has for the first time conducted national head-to-head polls matching up Trump and some of the leading Democratic presidential hopefuls. None of the matchups is good for Trump.
Trump trails all six by between five and 13 points, with Joe Biden holding the biggest advantage and the lesser-known candidates — Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.) and Mayor Pete Buttigieg — holding the smallest leads.
The findings mirror the limited head-to-head polling we’ve seen in some key early states, with Trump trailing by as much as double digits in crucial Michigan and Pennsylvania, and even trailing Biden in Texas (!) in another Quinnipiac poll. Trump also trails in most national head-to-heads, although often not by as much as Quinnipiac indicates. |
| Quote: | But these polls are beginning to paint a pretty unified picture of Trump’s current political standing as the 2020 race lurches to a start, and it’s decidedly not a strong one. And if there’s one thing the last two years have shown us, it’s that Trump’s political standing hasn’t changed much.
The Times reports this has begun to register with Trump, so much that he has instructed aides to pretend the polls don’t say what they do |
| Quote: | | Trump also trails each Democrat among independents by at least 15 points, so even if you think the sample is off in some way, that’s a pretty grim starting point. Trump won independents in 2016, according to exit polls, by four points. He trails Biden among them by 30 points. |
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| Quote: | Josh Marshall Verified account @joshtpm
Fascinating backstory. Trump gets asked abt report that Kim Jong Un's brother was a CIA source. Kim Jong Nam was assassinated in 2017 by North Korea. Trump responds by pledging to Kim that he won't let the CIA do that "under my auspices." |
It's almost like he's not actually putting American interests first...
Link to video of Trump making a complete ass of himself again |
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| Quote: | There's a reason House Democrats haven't started impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump yet: almost none of their most vulnerable members support the move.
CNN reached out to 41 freshmen Democrats who flipped Republican seats last year to ask if they currently support starting an impeachment inquiry. The results were telling -- nearly half (20) didn't respond. Of those who did, the vast majority were either a "no" or undecided.
Known as the "majority makers" or "front-liners," this group was key to securing the Democrats' House majority last year. And Democratic leaders are intensely focused on holding those districts in 2020.
That gives these members enormous influence in whatever direction the party takes -- and hardly any are calling for impeachment.
Of the 43 Democratic challengers who flipped seats from red to blue in 2018, only two -- Reps. Tom Malinowski of New Jersey and Mary Gay Scanlon of Pennsylvania -- have publicly said they support opening an impeachment inquiry. And only Scanlon represents a more liberal seat than her Republican predecessor due to redistricting. |
Impeachment Put's House in Great Jeopardy
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| focus wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | GOP Attack on Women Number 3,987: Breast feeding
A resolution to encourage breast-feeding was expected to be approved quickly and easily by the hundreds of government delegates who gathered this spring in Geneva for the United Nations-affiliated World Health Assembly.
Based on decades of research, the resolution says that mother’s milk is healthiest for children and countries should strive to limit the inaccurate or misleading marketing of breast milk substitutes.
Then the United States delegation, embracing the interests of infant formula manufacturers, upended the deliberations.
American officials sought to water down the resolution by removing language that called on governments to “protect, promote and support breast-feeding” and another passage that called on policymakers to restrict the promotion of food products that many experts say can have deleterious effects on young children.
When that failed, they turned to threats, according to diplomats and government officials who took part in the discussions. Ecuador, which had planned to introduce the measure, was the first to find itself in the cross hairs.
The Americans were blunt: If Ecuador refused to drop the resolution, Washington would unleash punishing trade measures and withdraw crucial military aid. The Ecuadorean government quickly acquiesced. |
Trump really appears to have let the Christian groups have free reign at so many different levels in so many areas. I feel like his bluster and the Russia collusion stories and his response is providing the cover to what is happening at the nitty-gritty level. He talks about Christians being unfairly treated but I don't see too much news about what is happening on the ground in these matters too often. Between this and DeVos for education and probably plenty of other areas, there's maybe a quiet takeover on the ground. Abortion is obvious, but maybe there are a ton of not so obvious. This post makes me think how deep their influence must be if they feel so much free reign that they can run around international orgs to fight friggin misleading marketing of breast feeding. Media should report on what's going on at the lesser reported agencies to see what's really happening.
Interesting article otherwise too. |
Just to be fair, this issue has nothing to do with Christian groups or their interests. It is surely true that Christian groups, as well as many other special interest groups, have Trump's attention and influence him. But the article mentions nothing about Christian groups or how their influence, in particular, make the difference in how Trump views this particular issue. I don't see the connection.
Many do indeed perceive that Muslims are much more welcome on the Left side of American politics than Christians are. True or not, I don't see how that influences anything in a breastfeeding "for or against" debate. |
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Religious people are afraid of breasts
They defile the world with their gross definitions of human life
Why are people too aroused by a milk filled breast used only as a feeding vessel? |
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WHO IS YOUR CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT 2020?
Joe Biden
12%
6079 votes
Pete Buttigieg
10%
5365 votes
Bernie Sanders
24%
12606 votes
Elizabeth Warren
35%
17968 votes
Kamala Harris
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3927 votes
Andrew Yang
. 2%
984 votes
Jay Inslee
. 2%
788 votes
Beto O'Rourke
. 2%
882 votes
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Id Vote for Warren/Harris
Warren/Mayor Pete |
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Question..
Say Warren gets the Nomination
Do the Presidential candidates that were also trying to win the Nod get a chance to offer their services as Vice President or does she pick anyone she wants after she gets the Nod?
I guess I am asking .. How is VP picked? |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Question..
Say Warren gets the Nomination
Do the Presidential candidates that were also trying to win the Nod get a chance to offer their services as Vice President or does she pick anyone she wants after she gets the Nod?
I guess I am asking .. How is VP picked? |
That is and must be the candidate's choice.
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| ribeye wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Question..
Say Warren gets the Nomination
Do the Presidential candidates that were also trying to win the Nod get a chance to offer their services as Vice President or does she pick anyone she wants after she gets the Nod?
I guess I am asking .. How is VP picked? |
That is and must be the candidate's choice. |
Well I guess the candidate does have only the best interests of the DNC and Country so .. I can give them that
Can Obama be a Vice President?  |
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| ribeye wrote: | WHO IS YOUR CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT 2020?
Joe Biden
12%
6079 votes
Pete Buttigieg
10%
5365 votes
Bernie Sanders
24%
12606 votes
Elizabeth Warren
35%
17968 votes
Kamala Harris
. 8%
3927 votes
Andrew Yang
. 2%
984 votes
Jay Inslee
. 2%
788 votes
Beto O'Rourke
. 2%
882 votes |
Then there is this:
Today’s Quinnipiac poll finds all the better known Democratic candidates would defeat Donald Trump if the election were held today.
Joe Biden leads by 53% to 40%
Bernie Sanders 51%, Trump 42%
Kamala Harris 49%, Trump 41%
Elizabeth Warren 49%, Trump 42%
Pete Buttigieg 47%, Trump 42%
Cory Booker 47%, Trump 42%
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | Well I guess the candidate does have only the best interests of the DNC and Country so .. I can give them that |
The Candidate that wins the nomination has done so at the will of the voters. They have chosen him/her to be their representative, thus he/she is the one who choses who will on the ticket with him.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | Well I guess the candidate does have only the best interests of the DNC and Country so .. I can give them that |
The Candidate that wins the nomination has done so at the will of the voters. They have chosen him/her to be their representative, thus he/she is the one who choses who will on the ticket with him. |
Thank you.. made me look to educate myself more on it
I have lived my whole life not trusting politicians so I didn't care to know how they elected themselves 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Convention
| Quote: | | The party's presidential nominee is chosen in a series of individual state caucuses and primary elections. Superdelegates, delegates whose votes are not bound to the outcome of a state's caucus or primary, may also influence the nomination. To secure the nomination for the Democratic party in 2016, a candidate must secure 2,383 delegates. This number includes both pledged delegates and superdelegates.[2] |
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| ribeye wrote: |
Joe Biden leads by 53% to 40%
Bernie Sanders 51%, Trump 42%
Kamala Harris 49%, Trump 41%
Elizabeth Warren 49%, Trump 42%
Pete Buttigieg 47%, Trump 42%
Cory Booker 47%, Trump 42% |
The one thing I find flawed in this type of poll is what do these numbers actually mean in reality. That 6% difference for example. Is that 6% of voters actually not going to vote? Doubtful
There's no doubt the poll demonstrates a preference by voters for a specific candidate. But in practice I don't think it has any true meaning in regards to what would actually happen if one candidate versus the other was the actual candidate.
I'm not questioning the numbers or their accuracy. I just think it's a poll for polls sake, because as soon as one of those Primary candidates becomes the Party's candidate, those numbers really become meaningless. It's not really an accurate depiction of how any of them would actually fare against Trump in the General Election.
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