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| governator wrote: | | I really think there's a concerted effort paint Bernie as sexist |
And a racist.
And probably next week an anti-semite. |
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| kikanga wrote: | Omar, DMR. Changing the subject from healthcare specifically.
Do you guys understand some of the rage behind some of the progressive support? Republicans act like Barack was Karl Marx mixed with some sort of Muslim extremist. And in reality he is so far from that.
What do you say to a staunch progressive who says, "Democrats aren't pushing our country to the left enough compared to tidal wave of extreme conservativism Republicans are championing"?
All I can say to those people is, step 1 is getting Trump out. Step 2 is fixing the grand canyon that is wealth and income inequality. |
I think there is too much identity extremism, where Hillary Clinton or joe Biden is a Marxist and a Conservative simultaneously to the people on the far right and left. And neither group (well, the far right group has pretty much co-opted the entire GOP now) will work with the more moderate mainstream. You have people in this thread from the far left who have far more antipathy for mainstream liberals than they do the Trumpists.
I'm happy there's a left wing of the party. It's good. But there's also a centrist wing, and that's fine too, and there's a mainstream liberal (not to be confused with progressive/socialists) cohort. And they all have something to offer, and they all have a vested interest in each other if they want their own agenda to have a chance.
To me, I'm idealistic as hell in what I want, and I'm happy to be reminded of it. But I'm also pragmatic as hell, and how is every bit as important as what, and taking a lot of people into account on what is important too. Not just in what we think is good for them, but what they think.
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| greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | governator wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Not defend Hilary on this one. But if one read the article before it was "updated" to remove the actual comment about not endorsing, she says she won't do so now because it is still the Primaries. |
She, just like Bernie has a large following and they will listen to those two, as long as either one don't pull a Tulsi and unite after the primary is over (whoever the nominee), it's primary season I guess |
I don't disagree. I am simply pointing out the blatant intellectual dishonesty in the article's presentation. I know a lot of people here and elsewhere don't care about that kind of thing (and I'm not putting you in that group), but I think now more than ever truth and accuracy are critically important. |
Going to the original source I find lessens the blow of any bias. Still, I don't see how the phrasing of "primary season" is exculpatory in any way. We know Trump and Pence are going to be on the ticket in Novemeber. Even an oligarch in Bloomberg committed to voting for him last week.
FYI, Bernie campaigned for Hillary 37 times in 2016. |
So she's got to back Bernie before he's the nominee or it's the same as not supporting him afterward? Are you supporting Biden right now?
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I disliked the times equating Bernie to Trump. I think he'd be a poor president in the general sense. I don't think he has the temperament or interest in the totality of things and how they work that you need as a president. I don't think he'd accomplish much and I think it would be fractious and ideological and the foreign policy bungling potential is pretty strong. Think of Jimmy Carter played by Larry David.
But.
That's fricken heaven compared to Trump's best day.
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| greenfrog wrote: | | governator wrote: | | I really think there's a concerted effort paint Bernie as sexist |
And a racist.
And probably next week an anti-semite. |
You repeatedly make that assertion yet you conveniently ignore any requests to reveal where that has occurred.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | governator wrote: | | I really think there's a concerted effort paint Bernie as sexist |
And a racist.
And probably next week an anti-semite. |
You repeatedly make that assertion yet you conveniently ignore any requests to reveal where that has occurred. |
Because you're bringing evidentiary expectations to a tribal event.
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| greenfrog wrote: | | governator wrote: | | I really think there's a concerted effort paint Bernie as sexist |
And a racist.
And probably next week an anti-semite. |
There's a difference between saying he's sexist and/or a racist, and saying he's tone deaf on those issues. On issues of sexism or racism, I don't think he even considers those issues because they have nothing to do with his platform. That's where he misses me. The old, know-it-all, grumpy grandpa wants to live only in his lane. As president, you don't have that luxury. At least not a good president.
Instead of digging in and listening, he's made up his mind and behaves as if those issues are irrelevant.
The guy has no bed-side manner and especially so where sexism and racism are concerned. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | governator wrote: | | I really think there's a concerted effort paint Bernie as sexist |
And a racist.
And probably next week an anti-semite. |
You repeatedly make that assertion yet you conveniently ignore any requests to reveal where that has occurred. |
Go back page a page or two. I wasn't even aware of it until here.
And that's the first I've brought that up (might have me confused with someone else). |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | governator wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Not defend Hilary on this one. But if one read the article before it was "updated" to remove the actual comment about not endorsing, she says she won't do so now because it is still the Primaries. |
She, just like Bernie has a large following and they will listen to those two, as long as either one don't pull a Tulsi and unite after the primary is over (whoever the nominee), it's primary season I guess |
I don't disagree. I am simply pointing out the blatant intellectual dishonesty in the article's presentation. I know a lot of people here and elsewhere don't care about that kind of thing (and I'm not putting you in that group), but I think now more than ever truth and accuracy are critically important. |
Going to the original source I find lessens the blow of any bias. Still, I don't see how the phrasing of "primary season" is exculpatory in any way. We know Trump and Pence are going to be on the ticket in Novemeber. Even an oligarch in Bloomberg committed to voting for him last week.
FYI, Bernie campaigned for Hillary 37 times in 2016. |
So she's got to back Bernie before he's the nominee or it's the same as not supporting him afterward? Are you supporting Biden right now? |
I support Biden if he's the nominee. That was literally the question. It's not hard to say. The oligarch who could potentially be taxed out the ass is even willing to go there. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | governator wrote: | | I really think there's a concerted effort paint Bernie as sexist |
And a racist.
And probably next week an anti-semite. |
You repeatedly make that assertion yet you conveniently ignore any requests to reveal where that has occurred. |
Go back page a page or two. I wasn't even aware of it until here.
And that's the first I've brought that up (might have me confused with someone else). |
"I hope Sanders takes a more intersectional approach to structural reform than what he expressed to the NYT's editorial board. Some of his arguments were ahistorical and could be more thoughtfully nuanced."
"Neolib shills call Bernie racist because they're scared of their taxes going up."
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | governator wrote: | | I really think there's a concerted effort paint Bernie as sexist |
And a racist.
And probably next week an anti-semite. |
You repeatedly make that assertion yet you conveniently ignore any requests to reveal where that has occurred. |
Go back page a page or two. I wasn't even aware of it until here.
And that's the first I've brought that up (might have me confused with someone else). |
"I hope Sanders takes a more intersectional approach to structural reform than what he expressed to the NYT's editorial board. Some of his arguments were ahistorical and could be more thoughtfully nuanced."
"Neolib shills call Bernie racist because they're scared of their taxes going up." |
If I misintepreted your position I apologize. I seem to recall something about him having a "racism" problem. Maybe I (bleep) up. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | governator wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Not defend Hilary on this one. But if one read the article before it was "updated" to remove the actual comment about not endorsing, she says she won't do so now because it is still the Primaries. |
She, just like Bernie has a large following and they will listen to those two, as long as either one don't pull a Tulsi and unite after the primary is over (whoever the nominee), it's primary season I guess |
I don't disagree. I am simply pointing out the blatant intellectual dishonesty in the article's presentation. I know a lot of people here and elsewhere don't care about that kind of thing (and I'm not putting you in that group), but I think now more than ever truth and accuracy are critically important. |
Going to the original source I find lessens the blow of any bias. Still, I don't see how the phrasing of "primary season" is exculpatory in any way. We know Trump and Pence are going to be on the ticket in Novemeber. Even an oligarch in Bloomberg committed to voting for him last week.
FYI, Bernie campaigned for Hillary 37 times in 2016. |
So she's got to back Bernie before he's the nominee or it's the same as not supporting him afterward? Are you supporting Biden right now? |
I support Biden if he's the nominee. That was literally the question. It's not hard to say. The oligarch who could potentially be taxed out the ass is even willing to go there. |
I'm sorry, but how is this the same as her saying she's not supporting him right now because there is still a primary going on?
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| Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | governator wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Not defend Hilary on this one. But if one read the article before it was "updated" to remove the actual comment about not endorsing, she says she won't do so now because it is still the Primaries. |
She, just like Bernie has a large following and they will listen to those two, as long as either one don't pull a Tulsi and unite after the primary is over (whoever the nominee), it's primary season I guess |
I don't disagree. I am simply pointing out the blatant intellectual dishonesty in the article's presentation. I know a lot of people here and elsewhere don't care about that kind of thing (and I'm not putting you in that group), but I think now more than ever truth and accuracy are critically important. |
Going to the original source I find lessens the blow of any bias. Still, I don't see how the phrasing of "primary season" is exculpatory in any way. We know Trump and Pence are going to be on the ticket in Novemeber. Even an oligarch in Bloomberg committed to voting for him last week.
FYI, Bernie campaigned for Hillary 37 times in 2016. |
So she's got to back Bernie before he's the nominee or it's the same as not supporting him afterward? Are you supporting Biden right now? |
I support Biden if he's the nominee. That was literally the question. It's not hard to say. The oligarch who could potentially be taxed out the ass is even willing to go there. |
I'm sorry, but how is this the same as her saying she's not supporting him right now because there is still a primary going on? |
It's a meaningless distinction without a difference. We know the primary is going to end at some point, right? We also know that Trump and Pence will be on the ballot. What magical scenario is she anticipating that would change these basic facts to make the timing relevant? |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | governator wrote: | | I really think there's a concerted effort paint Bernie as sexist |
And a racist.
And probably next week an anti-semite. |
You repeatedly make that assertion yet you conveniently ignore any requests to reveal where that has occurred. |
Go back page a page or two. I wasn't even aware of it until here.
And that's the first I've brought that up (might have me confused with someone else). |
"I hope Sanders takes a more intersectional approach to structural reform than what he expressed to the NYT's editorial board. Some of his arguments were ahistorical and could be more thoughtfully nuanced."
"Neolib shills call Bernie racist because they're scared of their taxes going up." |
If I misintepreted your position I apologize. I seem to recall something about him having a "racism" problem. Maybe I (bleep) up. |
It's not a problem, it's likely a small boon for his campaign while a platform to extend universal suffrage to everyone in prisons is one of the most meaningful policy positions any of the remaining candidates have taken that would disproportionately help people of color. Let's get more of that even if he's (smartly) unwilling to alienate racist voters.
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| greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | governator wrote: | | I really think there's a concerted effort paint Bernie as sexist |
And a racist.
And probably next week an anti-semite. |
You repeatedly make that assertion yet you conveniently ignore any requests to reveal where that has occurred. |
Go back page a page or two. I wasn't even aware of it until here.
And that's the first I've brought that up (might have me confused with someone else). |
I not only went back a page or two, but I went back a dozen plus, and saw nothing indicating any claims that Bernie is a racist (I did however see that it wasn't you who brought it up the first time, so sincere apologies for that mistaken identity).
So would you be so kind to point specifically to those places where Bernie was called racist?
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | governator wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Not defend Hilary on this one. But if one read the article before it was "updated" to remove the actual comment about not endorsing, she says she won't do so now because it is still the Primaries. |
She, just like Bernie has a large following and they will listen to those two, as long as either one don't pull a Tulsi and unite after the primary is over (whoever the nominee), it's primary season I guess |
I don't disagree. I am simply pointing out the blatant intellectual dishonesty in the article's presentation. I know a lot of people here and elsewhere don't care about that kind of thing (and I'm not putting you in that group), but I think now more than ever truth and accuracy are critically important. |
Going to the original source I find lessens the blow of any bias. Still, I don't see how the phrasing of "primary season" is exculpatory in any way. We know Trump and Pence are going to be on the ticket in Novemeber. Even an oligarch in Bloomberg committed to voting for him last week.
FYI, Bernie campaigned for Hillary 37 times in 2016. |
So she's got to back Bernie before he's the nominee or it's the same as not supporting him afterward? Are you supporting Biden right now? |
I support Biden if he's the nominee. That was literally the question. It's not hard to say. The oligarch who could potentially be taxed out the ass is even willing to go there. |
I'm sorry, but how is this the same as her saying she's not supporting him right now because there is still a primary going on? |
It's a meaningless distinction without a difference. We know the primary is going to end at some point, right? We also know that Trump and Pence will be on the ballot. What magical scenario is she anticipating that would change these basic facts to make the timing relevant? |
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/hillary-clinton-full-a-fiery-new-documentary-trump-regrets-harsh-words-bernie-1271551
If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?
I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season. I will say, however, that it's not only him, it's the culture around him. It's his leadership team. It's his prominent supporters. It's his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture — not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it. And I don't think we want to go down that road again where you campaign by insult and attack and maybe you try to get some distance from it, but you either don't know what your campaign and supporters are doing or you're just giving them a wink and you want them to go after Kamala [Harris] or after Elizabeth [Warren]. I think that that's a pattern that people should take into account when they make their decisions. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | governator wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Not defend Hilary on this one. But if one read the article before it was "updated" to remove the actual comment about not endorsing, she says she won't do so now because it is still the Primaries. |
She, just like Bernie has a large following and they will listen to those two, as long as either one don't pull a Tulsi and unite after the primary is over (whoever the nominee), it's primary season I guess |
I don't disagree. I am simply pointing out the blatant intellectual dishonesty in the article's presentation. I know a lot of people here and elsewhere don't care about that kind of thing (and I'm not putting you in that group), but I think now more than ever truth and accuracy are critically important. |
Going to the original source I find lessens the blow of any bias. Still, I don't see how the phrasing of "primary season" is exculpatory in any way. We know Trump and Pence are going to be on the ticket in Novemeber. Even an oligarch in Bloomberg committed to voting for him last week.
FYI, Bernie campaigned for Hillary 37 times in 2016. |
So she's got to back Bernie before he's the nominee or it's the same as not supporting him afterward? Are you supporting Biden right now? |
I support Biden if he's the nominee. That was literally the question. It's not hard to say. The oligarch who could potentially be taxed out the ass is even willing to go there. |
I'm sorry, but how is this the same as her saying she's not supporting him right now because there is still a primary going on? |
It's a meaningless distinction without a difference. We know the primary is going to end at some point, right? We also know that Trump and Pence will be on the ballot. What magical scenario is she anticipating that would change these basic facts to make the timing relevant? |
Okay, I thought of one. Bernie comes out as a nazi. Even then I'd have to weigh it with Trump. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | governator wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Not defend Hilary on this one. But if one read the article before it was "updated" to remove the actual comment about not endorsing, she says she won't do so now because it is still the Primaries. |
She, just like Bernie has a large following and they will listen to those two, as long as either one don't pull a Tulsi and unite after the primary is over (whoever the nominee), it's primary season I guess |
I don't disagree. I am simply pointing out the blatant intellectual dishonesty in the article's presentation. I know a lot of people here and elsewhere don't care about that kind of thing (and I'm not putting you in that group), but I think now more than ever truth and accuracy are critically important. |
Going to the original source I find lessens the blow of any bias. Still, I don't see how the phrasing of "primary season" is exculpatory in any way. We know Trump and Pence are going to be on the ticket in Novemeber. Even an oligarch in Bloomberg committed to voting for him last week.
FYI, Bernie campaigned for Hillary 37 times in 2016. |
So she's got to back Bernie before he's the nominee or it's the same as not supporting him afterward? Are you supporting Biden right now? |
I support Biden if he's the nominee. That was literally the question. It's not hard to say. The oligarch who could potentially be taxed out the ass is even willing to go there. |
I'm sorry, but how is this the same as her saying she's not supporting him right now because there is still a primary going on? |
It's a meaningless distinction without a difference. We know the primary is going to end at some point, right? We also know that Trump and Pence will be on the ballot. What magical scenario is she anticipating that would change these basic facts to make the timing relevant? |
I saw the quote from Hilary (before the article was "updated to remove the actual words she used). She stated she wasn't going to support him because the Primaries are still going on. Which is essentially what Obama said in regards to Biden. So are you going to malign Obama for allegedly saying "he won't support Biden" . . . or Bernie or any other candidate?
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Every time I see Schiff I ask myself did he just take a big booyow? His eyes are owl like.  
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | governator wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Not defend Hilary on this one. But if one read the article before it was "updated" to remove the actual comment about not endorsing, she says she won't do so now because it is still the Primaries. |
She, just like Bernie has a large following and they will listen to those two, as long as either one don't pull a Tulsi and unite after the primary is over (whoever the nominee), it's primary season I guess |
I don't disagree. I am simply pointing out the blatant intellectual dishonesty in the article's presentation. I know a lot of people here and elsewhere don't care about that kind of thing (and I'm not putting you in that group), but I think now more than ever truth and accuracy are critically important. |
Going to the original source I find lessens the blow of any bias. Still, I don't see how the phrasing of "primary season" is exculpatory in any way. We know Trump and Pence are going to be on the ticket in Novemeber. Even an oligarch in Bloomberg committed to voting for him last week.
FYI, Bernie campaigned for Hillary 37 times in 2016. |
So she's got to back Bernie before he's the nominee or it's the same as not supporting him afterward? Are you supporting Biden right now? |
I support Biden if he's the nominee. That was literally the question. It's not hard to say. The oligarch who could potentially be taxed out the ass is even willing to go there. |
I'm sorry, but how is this the same as her saying she's not supporting him right now because there is still a primary going on? |
It's a meaningless distinction without a difference. We know the primary is going to end at some point, right? We also know that Trump and Pence will be on the ballot. What magical scenario is she anticipating that would change these basic facts to make the timing relevant? |
I saw the quote from Hilary (before the article was "updated to remove the actual words she used). She stated she wasn't going to support him because the Primaries are still going on. Which is essentially what Obama said in regards to Biden. So are you going to malign Obama for allegedly saying "he won't support Biden" . . . or Bernie or any other candidate? |
In the context of being the eventual nominee and against Trump, he actually said that? I seem to recall him saying, or it being floated from his camp, the opposite. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
I saw the quote from Hilary (before the article was "updated to remove the actual words she used). She stated she wasn't going to support him because the Primaries are still going on. Which is essentially what Obama said in regards to Biden. So are you going to malign Obama for allegedly saying "he won't support Biden" . . . or Bernie or any other candidate? |
In the context of being the eventual nominee and against Trump, he actually said that? I seem to recall him saying, or it being floated from his camp, the opposite. |
Obama said he wasn't endorsing Biden while the Primaries were going on. Exactly what Hilary said in regards to Bernie. So where's the outrage directed at Obama? Or do you just save that stuff for Hilary?
Oh . . . and I'm still waiting for you to point us to all those alleged accusations that Bernie was a racist that you said were made here.
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If I'm not mistaken Obama had control of both houses in the first 2 years of his Presidency. How were the Republicans able to defeat so many of his offers?
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | governator wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Not defend Hilary on this one. But if one read the article before it was "updated" to remove the actual comment about not endorsing, she says she won't do so now because it is still the Primaries. |
She, just like Bernie has a large following and they will listen to those two, as long as either one don't pull a Tulsi and unite after the primary is over (whoever the nominee), it's primary season I guess |
I don't disagree. I am simply pointing out the blatant intellectual dishonesty in the article's presentation. I know a lot of people here and elsewhere don't care about that kind of thing (and I'm not putting you in that group), but I think now more than ever truth and accuracy are critically important. |
Going to the original source I find lessens the blow of any bias. Still, I don't see how the phrasing of "primary season" is exculpatory in any way. We know Trump and Pence are going to be on the ticket in Novemeber. Even an oligarch in Bloomberg committed to voting for him last week.
FYI, Bernie campaigned for Hillary 37 times in 2016. |
So she's got to back Bernie before he's the nominee or it's the same as not supporting him afterward? Are you supporting Biden right now? |
I support Biden if he's the nominee. That was literally the question. It's not hard to say. The oligarch who could potentially be taxed out the ass is even willing to go there. |
I'm sorry, but how is this the same as her saying she's not supporting him right now because there is still a primary going on? |
It's a meaningless distinction without a difference. We know the primary is going to end at some point, right? We also know that Trump and Pence will be on the ballot. What magical scenario is she anticipating that would change these basic facts to make the timing relevant? |
I saw the quote from Hilary (before the article was "updated to remove the actual words she used). She stated she wasn't going to support him because the Primaries are still going on. Which is essentially what Obama said in regards to Biden. So are you going to malign Obama for allegedly saying "he won't support Biden" . . . or Bernie or any other candidate? |
In the context of being the eventual nominee and against Trump, he actually said that? I seem to recall him saying, or it being floated from his camp, the opposite. |
Obama said he wasn't endorsing Biden while the Primaries were going on. Exactly what Hilary said in regards to Bernie. So where's the outrage directed at Obama? Or do you just save that stuff for Hilary?
Oh . . . and I'm still waiting for you to point us to all those alleged accusations that Bernie was a racist that you said were made here. |
I apologized to BVH for that. And the question was not about issuing a premature endorsement, it was about whether she would do it if he was the eventual nominee. My God...
One endorsement would be against fellow Democrats. The other would be against Trump. That's the one she's not committing to. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | If I'm not mistaken Obama had control of both houses in the first 2 years of his Presidency. How were the Republicans able to defeat so many of his offers? |
He only had a super majority for 2 months. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Oh . . . and I'm still waiting for you to point us to all those alleged accusations that Bernie was a racist that you said were made here. |
I apologized to BVH for that. |
Wait . . . wait . . . wait . . . you misunderstood one thing one person said and turned that into a collective claim that Bernie was now being called racist. Holy crap, you are real piece of work man.
| Quote: | And the question was not about issuing a premature endorsement, it was about whether she would do it if he was the eventual nominee. My God...
One endorsement would be against fellow Democrats. The other would be against Trump. That's the one she's not committing to. |
She said "i am not going there right now" or words almost exactly to that.
Talk about "My God" . . .
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