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Judah Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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MickMgl wrote: | How is he going to defend on switches with a stitched achilles?
Isn't that what everybody seems to demand of the Lakers' current centers?
And aren't the Lakers targeting character?
If they want a veteran center, I'd probably prefer a healthy Lopez to a gimpy malcontent. Or just go sink-or-swim with the young guys for a year knowing that the team's emphasis is small ball and that 2019 has another big FA target. |
Exactly. He couldn’t do it even when he was healthy. It’s painful to even try to imagine how bad he’d be coming off of a torn Achilles. We might as well have Rosie O’Donnell out there. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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SDLakersFan Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Before the injury he was number 1 on my free agen list. I really wanted us to go after Cousins / George.
If we get George and don’t get Lebron (and I severely hope we don’t) I wouldn’t mind us giving him a 1 year make-good contract. That way if he’s clearly done we just don’t resign him and use that cap space for Kawhi. And if he somehow returns to close to what he was, resign him long term. |
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Why do we say Cousin's can't play defense?
He had the 8th highest defensive rating in the NBA and 5th highest DBPM.
Aren't these the same advanced stats that we use to say Lonzo is great at defense? |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | Why do we say Cousin's can't play defense?
He had the 8th highest defensive rating in the NBA and 5th highest DBPM.
Aren't these the same advanced stats that we use to say Lonzo is great at defense? |
Because his Achilles is busted and his defense mainly matters against the Rockets and Warriors...... |
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SocalDevin Star Player
Joined: 26 May 2016 Posts: 7825 Location: Long Beach
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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I think you guys are going to be wrong about Cousins.. and his locker room demeanor is being overblown.
I do believe you'd have to choose between him and Randle though.. and I'd have to go with Randle. I hope we do everything humanly possible to retain him. |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
Joined: 04 Jul 2014 Posts: 12978
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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With both types of tendinitis, scar tissue develops on the tendon as the tears begin to heal. This scar tissue mends the tears in an abnormal way leaving the collagen fibers weaker and more prone to further injury. In the case of chronic quadriceps tendinitis, a build up of scar tissue over a long period of time will make the tendon and the entire knee joint more prone to re-injury
Quadriceps Tendinitis Risk Factors
Participating in "jumping" sports such as basketball, volleyball and jogging.
Having diabetes, gout or para-hypothyroidism.
Age can be a factor because as we grow older our tendons become more brittle and therefore prone to injury.
Activities that require sharp, sudden changes of direction or lots of stopping and starting.
Mis-alignment of the foot, ankle, and leg including flat feet, leg length discrepancy, tracking abnormalities, etc.
http://www.aidmyachilles.com/tendon-muscle-injuries-in-the-leg/quadricep-tendonitis-information.php |
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J.C. Smith Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:01 am Post subject: |
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I would have been fine with signing pre-injury though I always had concerns about his attitude. Unless he came for a huge discount though he's not worth taking a chance on at this stage. There's at best an even chance that he returns to a high form, and there's also a chance that he's done already. Add to that his attitude issues, and you have to wonder if he returns and he is not the same player, if he'd then lash out at teammates and coaches thinking its them who are holding him back. That is common with many stars when their abilities diminish, but you'd have to think it will be moreso for him. |
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Annihilator Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:15 am Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | I want to be on the Lakers too. Didn't know Cousins and I had anything in common. | _________________ “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Judah wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Trade Deng
Let randle walk
Sign cousins with remaining capspace |
Yeah, let’s just do something stupid for absolutely no reason. |
HOF-worthy bad idea.
Unload future draft picks
Let Randle walk
All so we can overpay a limping Cousins. |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:45 am Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | Why do we say Cousin's can't play defense?
He had the 8th highest defensive rating in the NBA and 5th highest DBPM.
Aren't these the same advanced stats that we use to say Lonzo is great at defense? |
I think the advanced stats only rate Boogie's defense for the times he managed to cross the halfcourt line, so it's a very small sample size. |
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KingKobe20 Franchise Player
Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 18738 Location: L.A County, 26 miles away from Staples Center
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:55 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | also would not be surprised if Lebron would have zero interest in playing with Cousins |
Fwiw Lebron did draft Demarcus on his All Star Team and we were gonna see those two play together for the first time. Boogie ended up getting hurt before the game and was replaced by Paul George go figure.
Does the plot thicken this upcoming season??!? |
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Judah Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:07 am Post subject: |
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pjiddy wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | Why do we say Cousin's can't play defense?
He had the 8th highest defensive rating in the NBA and 5th highest DBPM.
Aren't these the same advanced stats that we use to say Lonzo is great at defense? |
I think the advanced stats only rate Boogie's defense for the times he managed to cross the halfcourt line, so it's a very small sample size. |
lmbooooo _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:26 am Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | MJST wrote: | LakerLanny wrote: | This guy makes teams worse when he is healthy.
Not just No, but hell No. |
The Pelicans probably win more than one game vs the Warriors if they have him however. |
The Pelicans probably don't make the playoffs if they have Cousins. |
They were already headed towards making the playoffs and were on a run cause they'd finally found their groove and had won 8 of their last 10 games and an 8-1 stretch(where the 1 loss was by 1 point) before he went down with injury against the Rockets, whom they beat.
So what are you basing that upon other than "I just don't like Cousins" logic? _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:33 am Post subject: |
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SocalDevin wrote: | I think you guys are going to be wrong about Cousins.. and his locker room demeanor is being overblown.
I do believe you'd have to choose between him and Randle though.. and I'd have to go with Randle. I hope we do everything humanly possible to retain him. |
If the two you land is Cousins and George, you can stretch Deng and keep Randle.
If the two you land is Cousins and LeBron, you'd need to move Deng's salary completely in order to keep Randle.
And if the Lakers were indeed to sign George and Cousins and re-sign Randle. Then defensively the 1-4 tandem is Lonzo, George, Ingram, Randle and that defense 1-4 is scary. For the rest of the league. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Eindhoven Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:10 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | SocalDevin wrote: | I think you guys are going to be wrong about Cousins.. and his locker room demeanor is being overblown.
I do believe you'd have to choose between him and Randle though.. and I'd have to go with Randle. I hope we do everything humanly possible to retain him. |
If the two you land is Cousins and George, you can stretch Deng and keep Randle.
If the two you land is Cousins and LeBron, you'd need to move Deng's salary completely in order to keep Randle.
And if the Lakers were indeed to sign George and Cousins and re-sign Randle. Then defensively the 1-4 tandem is Lonzo, George, Ingram, Randle and that defense 1-4 is scary. For the rest of the league. |
Before the injury, that was my plan, not only because we could keep everyone, but it would allow us to be competitive for 5-7 years. But, after the injury, I really don't know.
I even suggested a deadline trade, Cousins for Lopez, so we'd have all the info to make a safer bet, but now, there's a big risk of sinking 1 Max spot on a player that may return as a shadow of his former self. _________________ .... |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:49 am Post subject: |
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The rumors floating around is that if the Lakers land Cousins it would be for a two year deal at a lot of money.
So I'm guessing they'd be going for either a 1+1 at max level, or a 2 year deal at max level. Either way it seems that 2 years is the target time period. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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legend825 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:52 am Post subject: |
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So he’d be the backup option if they don’t land PG and LBJ? Similar deal to KCP last year? |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:29 am Post subject: |
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I want to be a Laker too. It doesn't mean Magic has to sign me! |
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AirKobe8 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:51 am Post subject: |
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I'm not opposed to the short term prove yourself deal to Cousins. I just think someone else will jump the gun and give him something better than that just to sign a household name, like the Mavericks or some other team who doesn't give a damn, like the Bulls or Hawks.
And Cousins isn't really in position to sign for less to prove himself. He'd be really dumb not to take the most guaranteed money he can in his current position. _________________ www.lakersbrasil.com
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Lakesh0wtime Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:57 am Post subject: |
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I’d do a 1 year max deal.
Or multi if we can get him really cheap. |
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Buck32 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Just setting attitiude and injury concerns aside, a center fills a need more than 3 superstar small forwards. _________________ “Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.”
― Isaac Asimov |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Buck32 wrote: | Just setting attitiude and injury concerns aside, a center fills a need more than 3 superstar small forwards. |
Versatile elite wings own the league not centers |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:13 am Post subject: |
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I really wanted boogie preinjury but he needs to be a backup plan at best and we shouldn’t offer him more than 10 mil for 1 year. |
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Of course Boogie would like to be a Laker. But their sights are rightly on LBJ/PG13. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Buck32 wrote: | Just setting attitiude and injury concerns aside, a center fills a need more than 3 superstar small forwards. |
Def no.
When the two best teams in the West play 3-4 SF sized players in their best lineups . (Yes Klay is a SF sized player) |
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