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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:05 pm Post subject:
People are forgetting how well Rondo tends to play in big games. Remember the game against Boston when he had only 4 points, but had 5 assists and 5 steals and made a noticeable impact?
As they say, Playoff Rondo is a thing. Plus he's won a championship before, and we shouldn't underestimate the importance of that in the playoffs. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
We're a better team with Caruso playing more and Waiters taking Rondo's minutes.
If Caruso can handle the ball against a team like the Clippers then yes. I think he’s better than earlier this season, probably getting some work in with Handy.
That will be one of the keys. Need about 15 minutes of ball handling or Lebron is going to run out of gas in those 4th quarters.
10 minutes when he sits and maybe another 5 minutes when he is in the game.
If there is a playoffs matchup with the clippers, they will play LBJ all 94 feet in the playoffs. I could see other teams doing it too.
James will not have the luxury of sitting for 10mpg.
Historically he averages 42mpg in the playoffs. With this team, this year, it can be argued he should exceed that.
Rest will come in retirement. He is sixteen games from reaching his goal.
Finish the job!
Remeber, This Playoffs have only 1 Day off between each game. Playing More than his career average may seriosuly put him in the danger of getting an injury.
This is why shooting is very important. it gives the luxury of resting and working less in the paint
I may regret this, but I can’t wait until Rondo comes back.
I’m with you. They need him, as weird as it sounds.
We know he has his shortcomings but certain matchups he will be needed for those 10 minutes.
Our offense is non-existent when Lebron sits. Rondo can’t defend anymore and he can’t shoot, but we need his ball handling and setting teammates up _________________ “You have to dance beautifully in the box that you are comfortable dancing in.” - Kobe Bryant
If nothing else, Rondo's poise, basketball IQ, competitiveness, toughness, and leadership will be beneficial. I don't want him playing too many minutes, but I'm thrilled that he's going to be around. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
We're dead last in offensive rating out of all 22 teams in the bubble. Only team who can't even average 100 pts a game. Not saying all of that is Rondo. But at least some of it is.
we are struggling with shooting, how does adding rondo who sucks at shooting going to help us?
Vogel is a defensive coach that needs an offensive brain on the floor, especially when LBJ sits. The fact that Hollins isn't in the bubble makes the problem twice as bad at least.
Everybody skips over the fact that LBJ vouches for Rondo offensively. Even when they are on the floor together. LBJ gets a break from playmaking and trusts Rondo. Not to mention the easy buckets Rondo creates for AD. The blind hatred for Rondo is funny.
"Blind"? lmao. He's statistically and empirically one of the worst players in the NBA. He takes away way more on defense than he provides offense. He's a giant net negative. And Lebron has a poor track record as a GM. Give him a better player, he'll trust him too.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:56 am Post subject:
pjiddy wrote:
kikanga wrote:
roger_federer wrote:
kikanga wrote:
We're dead last in offensive rating out of all 22 teams in the bubble. Only team who can't even average 100 pts a game. Not saying all of that is Rondo. But at least some of it is.
we are struggling with shooting, how does adding rondo who sucks at shooting going to help us?
Vogel is a defensive coach that needs an offensive brain on the floor, especially when LBJ sits. The fact that Hollins isn't in the bubble makes the problem twice as bad at least.
Everybody skips over the fact that LBJ vouches for Rondo offensively. Even when they are on the floor together. LBJ gets a break from playmaking and trusts Rondo. Not to mention the easy buckets Rondo creates for AD. The blind hatred for Rondo is funny.
"Blind"? lmao. He's statistically and empirically one of the worst players in the NBA. He takes away way more on defense than he provides offense. He's a giant net negative.
This. _________________ Don't make me give you a trout slap!
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29581 Location: La La Land
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:18 am Post subject:
Big Game James wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
kikanga wrote:
roger_federer wrote:
kikanga wrote:
We're dead last in offensive rating out of all 22 teams in the bubble. Only team who can't even average 100 pts a game. Not saying all of that is Rondo. But at least some of it is.
we are struggling with shooting, how does adding rondo who sucks at shooting going to help us?
Vogel is a defensive coach that needs an offensive brain on the floor, especially when LBJ sits. The fact that Hollins isn't in the bubble makes the problem twice as bad at least.
Everybody skips over the fact that LBJ vouches for Rondo offensively. Even when they are on the floor together. LBJ gets a break from playmaking and trusts Rondo. Not to mention the easy buckets Rondo creates for AD. The blind hatred for Rondo is funny.
"Blind"? lmao. He's statistically and empirically one of the worst players in the NBA. He takes away way more on defense than he provides offense. He's a giant net negative.
This.
Based on what stats? I wouldn't categorize his traditional stats or his BPM, VORP, Win shares as one of the worst in the NBA. It's even funnier somebody agreed with you. Shows you the herd mentality people have about Rondo here on LG. Maybe his on/off court +/- is bad. But it's because he's carrying the load when LBJ sits. And if you look at every team LBJ has been on, their +/- is bad when he's off the floor.
The fact that you guys admit he's a positive offensively is more than you normally see on LG. I'm fine with the argument he's a net negative. But I mean, look at the post I replied to. They were saying he doesn't help us in any facet of the game. That's standard for LG when it comes to Rondo. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
We're dead last in offensive rating out of all 22 teams in the bubble. Only team who can't even average 100 pts a game. Not saying all of that is Rondo. But at least some of it is.
we are struggling with shooting, how does adding rondo who sucks at shooting going to help us?
Vogel is a defensive coach that needs an offensive brain on the floor, especially when LBJ sits. The fact that Hollins isn't in the bubble makes the problem twice as bad at least.
Everybody skips over the fact that LBJ vouches for Rondo offensively. Even when they are on the floor together. LBJ gets a break from playmaking and trusts Rondo. Not to mention the easy buckets Rondo creates for AD. The blind hatred for Rondo is funny.
"Blind"? lmao. He's statistically and empirically one of the worst players in the NBA. He takes away way more on defense than he provides offense. He's a giant net negative.
This.
Based on what stats? I wouldn't categorize his traditional stats or his BPM, VORP, Win shares as one of the worst in the NBA. It's even funnier somebody agreed with you. Shows you the herd mentality people have about Rondo here on LG. Maybe his on/off court +/- is bad. But it's because he's carrying the load when LBJ sits. And if you look at every team LBJ has been on, their +/- is bad when he's off the floor.
The fact that you guys admit he's a positive offensively is more than you normally see on LG. I'm fine with the argument he's a net negative. But I mean, look at the post I replied to. They were saying he doesn't help us in any facet of the game. That's standard for LG when it comes to Rondo.
I don’t consider him a big positive on offense either. His stats are padded by his assist hunting. The advanced stats don’t show the horrible spacing he creates as soon as the ball is out of his hands. A rondo led offense was one of the more painful displays of basketball i had to watch this season. He cannot come back late enough. I hate that we have to reintegrate him.
I know fans don’t think highly of Rondo but if it’s obvious to anyone, we really missed Rondo in the bubble because he makes the offense flow a lot better then guys like Waiters and Caruso, I’m not sure if we are gonna get Playoff Rondo but I expect him to help us in some of the playoff games.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:18 pm Post subject:
pjiddy wrote:
I don’t consider him a big positive on offense either. His stats are padded by his assist hunting. The advanced stats don’t show the horrible spacing he creates as soon as the ball is out of his hands. A rondo led offense was one of the more painful displays of basketball i had to watch this season. He cannot come back late enough. I hate that we have to reintegrate him.
Keep that same energy. Keep that same level of criticism.
Now describe what our "we're lucky if we score 100 points" offense looked like in the bubble without him. It's painfully obvious our offense is sub par, especially when LBJ isn't in. Rondo is just the lightning rod that absorbs all the complaints. And conveniently the complaints about our offense are alot softer when he's not around. Despite being the worst offense in the bubble.
But hey, maybe you're smarter than Vogel, LBJ, and Brow. You realize Rondo is a cancer and those 3 are too dumb to agree with you. It's not like LBJ is known for his basketball IQ or something. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:56 pm Post subject:
MookieBetts50 wrote:
Rios news, you guys can breath a sigh of relief.
@DodgersLowDown
1h
Injury Update: #Dodgers manager Dave Roberts said Edwin Ríos is considered day-to-day. The training staff believes Ríos is dealing with a cramp rather than a hamstring strain. Ríos added that the injury happened on the slide and not while running the bases.
Can Rios play PG? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
I don’t consider him a big positive on offense either. His stats are padded by his assist hunting. The advanced stats don’t show the horrible spacing he creates as soon as the ball is out of his hands. A rondo led offense was one of the more painful displays of basketball i had to watch this season. He cannot come back late enough. I hate that we have to reintegrate him.
Keep that same energy. Keep that same level of criticism.
Now describe what our "we're lucky if we score 100 points" offense looked like in the bubble without him. It's painfully obvious our offense is sub par, especially when LBJ isn't in. Rondo is just the lightning rod that absorbs all the complaints. And conveniently the complaints about our offense are alot softer when he's not around. Despite being the worst offense in the bubble.
But hey, maybe you're smarter than Vogel, LBJ, and Brow. You realize Rondo is a cancer and those 3 are too dumb to agree with you. It's not like LBJ is known for his basketball IQ or something.
I recognize there’s more that goes into the decision to play Rondo than his capability. Lebron’s “trust” does not mean much to me. Like most superstars He’s a notoriously uneven evaluator of talent around him, hence the derogatory connotation if “LeGM.” And like most superstars, he can be slow with the trust of new players. Case in point: Caruso. His view of Rondo is probably also colored by his memory of the Rondo he faced in a Celtic uniform. And do we know AD is still a huge fan of Rondo? Or is that an assumption grandfathered in from his pelican days? As for Vogel, he knows full well how much of a lockerroom distraction Rondo can be if he’s not getting playing time. That was a bad hand dealt to him by Rob. And now he has to play him.
And the poor offense was a function of our horrendous shooting. Not bc we didn’t have Rondo dribbling the air out of the ball for 18 seconds.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:16 am Post subject:
pjiddy wrote:
And the poor offense was a function of our horrendous shooting. Not bc we didn’t have Rondo dribbling the air out of the ball for 18 seconds.
Why was our shooting horrendous? Does the pass. Heck, the play. Leading up to the shot not matter?
I guess it's just a coincidence we look lost offensively for stretches of games and Rondo isn't playing. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Man, what does it say about your team construction when you have LBJ/AD, it's 2020, and people are saying that the Lakers need a 34 year old Rondo coming off a broken hand (and playing 0 games in the bubble)? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29581 Location: La La Land
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:44 am Post subject:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Man, what does it say about your team construction when you have LBJ/AD, it's 2020, and people are saying that the Lakers need a 34 year old Rondo coming off a broken hand (and playing 0 games in the bubble)?
It says we can't score 100 points regularly. I'm sure Jack in the Box is happy though. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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