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dabask11
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| YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo  |
Middleton isn't though 
Walker and Vucevic would be worse given other factors. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | But Ingram's the guy who really doesn't fit with Lebron. |
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Trading lonzo ball would be a tremendous mistake |
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| whitemamba wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | | whitemamba wrote: | | First time he’s had a full off season under his belt , he’s going to be a walking triple double next year, lakers should not blow up this core. deal anyone else keep zo. |
Huh?
Do you know how he spends his off-season?
Making Rap records perhaps?
Caring for his baby perhaps?
Worrying about his Shoe deal perhaps?
Listening to his dad perhaps?
Working on his 3point shot? HOPEFULLY
Working on his Free Throws? HOPEFULLY
This is a guy who has averaged 10ppg in 2 seasons (which is kinda low right?), missed 57% of his FT's (which is REALLY low, right?), missed about 70% of his 3point shots (Which is also really low, right?) and has missed an average of 30+ games per year (Which is terrible for a young guy, right?)..
A guy who is under contract to make $11mil in the 2020/21, (which is kinda high based on his poor stats, don't ya think?)
Trade him as fast as possible and move on, Lakers would be LUCKY to get the Suns or Bulls first round pick for him... |
Can you read? Do you understand that player development takes time? This is the first time he’s had a full offseason under his belt.. how can he train if he’s hurt. Lakers are extremely sensitive with injuries. Ball possesses something only a few players ever had. Team first! Elite defense st a young age , go look up Giannis first few years numbers and come back to me. Rome wasn’t build in a day kid. |
Great comparison
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| dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo |
Middleton isn't though
Walker and Vucevic would be worse given other factors. |
Wow talk about bias
Kemba - all nba
Vucevic - 20/10 and stretch big
Middleton - 3 and D wing
DLo - 3’s and what else? |
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BigGameHames
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| adkindo wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | lonzobryant wrote: | | You guys are scared to trade him because of the mistake we made with D'Angelo. And I've learned that this board values defense over everything. I like Lonzo but he's Ricky Rubio at best. |
I do not know what Lonzo will become for sure....my projection is probably a little lower than most on LG. I do believe if Lonzo was from Kalamazoo and played for Michigan State....his support among Laker fans would be a fraction of what it currently is today, but if that was his background, he would not have been drafted by the Lakers. I do not say that based on what I think of him, but no player on the Lakers has been given so much rope and blind faith. It is what it is...he is not the first guy that fans wear their hometown glasses when evaluating, nor will he be the last. |
Come on man. You’re entitled to your opinion but don’t try and act like you’re objective and everybody else has blind faith. You don’t appreciate what he brings to the game, others do. He has contributed more to winning when he’s healthy than any other young guy on the roster. It’s not close, the team has been drastically worse when he’s out. Don’t convince yourself that it’s all bias, it’s not. |
I am not going to go (bleep) for tat with you because we have been there, and done that too often...nor do I think that is what you are trying to do. I would ask when we look at it through the lens you are viewing it through, how much is it related to the alternative (his backups)? I believe Ball is a good team defender, and has a special ability to run the team at an "optimal pace"....and I admit that matters. At the same time, it is an ability that many NBA PG's have, and they can also shoot, create in the half court, and create their own shot. Rondo can go at one pace....and when it works, it worked well....but games rarely remain at one optimal pace for more than a few minutes. He is an extremely flawed player....more so than any other young player on the roster, and unless he make significant gains in his weak areas, he is the exact type of player that will be eliminated in a 7 game series.
***fyi...that (bleep) above was not a bad word.....assume it thought I was referring to part of the female anatomy. |
Considering you and many others thought Rondo was better than Zo going into last year, no I don’t think that’s a valid point. Also, I don’t think it worked very often at all with Rondo, with him at point and the rest of the roster sans Zo, they were bad. I don’t think the trade rumors had as much of an impact as most considering the guys involved in the trade were still playing relatively well.
As you said, no reason to go back and forth because I adamantly disagree with much of what you’re saying. Well see what the future holds. |
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dabask11
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| YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo |
Middleton isn't though
Walker and Vucevic would be worse given other factors. |
Wow talk about bias
Kemba - all nba
Vucevic - 20/10 and stretch big
Middleton - 3 and D wing
DLo - 3’s and what else? |
Talk about bias?
Kemba - all nba but didn't make the playoffs in the east
Vucevic - contract year
Middleton - 3 and D isn't worth that much.
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Trading lonzo ball would be a tremendous mistake |
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| whitemamba wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | | whitemamba wrote: | | First time he’s had a full off season under his belt , he’s going to be a walking triple double next year, lakers should not blow up this core. deal anyone else keep zo. |
Huh?
Do you know how he spends his off-season?
Making Rap records perhaps?
Caring for his baby perhaps?
Worrying about his Shoe deal perhaps?
Listening to his dad perhaps?
Working on his 3point shot? HOPEFULLY
Working on his Free Throws? HOPEFULLY
This is a guy who has averaged 10ppg in 2 seasons (which is kinda low right?), missed 57% of his FT's (which is REALLY low, right?), missed about 70% of his 3point shots (Which is also really low, right?) and has missed an average of 30+ games per year (Which is terrible for a young guy, right?)..
A guy who is under contract to make $11mil in the 2020/21, (which is kinda high based on his poor stats, don't ya think?)
Trade him as fast as possible and move on, Lakers would be LUCKY to get the Suns or Bulls first round pick for him... |
Can you read? Do you understand that player development takes time? This is the first time he’s had a full offseason under his belt.. how can he train if he’s hurt. Lakers are extremely sensitive with injuries. Ball possesses something only a few players ever had. Team first! Elite defense st a young age , go look up Giannis first few years numbers and come back to me. Rome wasn’t build in a day kid. |
I like Lonzo but he is nothing like Giannis is or was.
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| dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo |
Middleton isn't though
Walker and Vucevic would be worse given other factors. |
Wow talk about bias
Kemba - all nba
Vucevic - 20/10 and stretch big
Middleton - 3 and D wing
DLo - 3’s and what else? |
Talk about bias?
Kemba - all nba but didn't make the playoffs in the east
Vucevic - contract year
Middleton - 3 and D isn't worth that much. |
You didn’t answer what DLo does better than shoot 3s? |
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dabask11
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| YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo |
Middleton isn't though
Walker and Vucevic would be worse given other factors. |
Wow talk about bias
Kemba - all nba
Vucevic - 20/10 and stretch big
Middleton - 3 and D wing
DLo - 3’s and what else? |
Talk about bias?
Kemba - all nba but didn't make the playoffs in the east
Vucevic - contract year
Middleton - 3 and D isn't worth that much. |
You didn’t answer what DLo does better than shoot 3s? |
It doesn't matter when the prospect of signing kemba, vucevic and middleton to more money is even worse. |
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| YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo |
Middleton isn't though
Walker and Vucevic would be worse given other factors. |
Wow talk about bias
Kemba - all nba
Vucevic - 20/10 and stretch big
Middleton - 3 and D wing
DLo - 3’s and what else? |
Talk about bias?
Kemba - all nba but didn't make the playoffs in the east
Vucevic - contract year
Middleton - 3 and D isn't worth that much. |
You didn’t answer what DLo does better than shoot 3s? |
Basketball.
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| Quote: | One general manager suggested not to diminish the upside on those players, contending the Lakers still have the best trade assets. "That's what they look like in that environment -- and playing with that guy," the GM told NBC Sports Washington.
If there's a deal with the Lakers, most sources would want Ball involved regardless of any parent distractions from his attention-seeking father, Lavar. "People just don't grasp how good he is," a source said. |
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/bradley-beals-potential-all-nba-scenario-leads-league-sources-toward-trade-route |
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| YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo |
And seven years older.
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | But Ingram's the guy who really doesn't fit with Lebron. |
I disagree. |
I respect that even if you're wrong.
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| ForumBlueFrank wrote: | | Quote: | One general manager suggested not to diminish the upside on those players, contending the Lakers still have the best trade assets. "That's what they look like in that environment -- and playing with that guy," the GM told NBC Sports Washington.
If there's a deal with the Lakers, most sources would want Ball involved regardless of any parent distractions from his attention-seeking father, Lavar. "People just don't grasp how good he is," a source said. |
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/bradley-beals-potential-all-nba-scenario-leads-league-sources-toward-trade-route |
Knicks trade 3/Robinson
But
Lakers have to trade 4/kuzma/Ingram
For BeAl
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| dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo |
Middleton isn't though
Walker and Vucevic would be worse given other factors. |
Wow talk about bias
Kemba - all nba
Vucevic - 20/10 and stretch big
Middleton - 3 and D wing
DLo - 3’s and what else? |
Talk about bias?
Kemba - all nba but didn't make the playoffs in the east
Vucevic - contract year
Middleton - 3 and D isn't worth that much. |
You didn’t answer what DLo does better than shoot 3s? |
It doesn't matter when the prospect of signing kemba, vucevic and middleton to more money is even worse. |
Yes the it doesn’t matter response.
DLo I hope invests in a more sophisticated container than arizona Ice tea |
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| ForumBlueFrank wrote: | | Quote: | One general manager suggested not to diminish the upside on those players, contending the Lakers still have the best trade assets. "That's what they look like in that environment -- and playing with that guy," the GM told NBC Sports Washington.
If there's a deal with the Lakers, most sources would want Ball involved regardless of any parent distractions from his attention-seeking father, Lavar. "People just don't grasp how good he is," a source said. |
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/bradley-beals-potential-all-nba-scenario-leads-league-sources-toward-trade-route |
Obviously.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo |
And seven years older. |
And? |
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dabask11
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| YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo |
Middleton isn't though
Walker and Vucevic would be worse given other factors. |
Wow talk about bias
Kemba - all nba
Vucevic - 20/10 and stretch big
Middleton - 3 and D wing
DLo - 3’s and what else? |
Talk about bias?
Kemba - all nba but didn't make the playoffs in the east
Vucevic - contract year
Middleton - 3 and D isn't worth that much. |
You didn’t answer what DLo does better than shoot 3s? |
It doesn't matter when the prospect of signing kemba, vucevic and middleton to more money is even worse. |
Yes the it doesn’t matter response.
DLo I hope invests in a more sophisticated container than arizona Ice tea |
Given your other responses, it fits perfectly. Case in point
| YSong wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo |
And seven years older. |
And? |
More sophisticated container or not doesn't change the laker's predicament of having to give such players a max contract. |
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Trading lonzo ball would be a tremendous mistake |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | whitemamba wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | | whitemamba wrote: | | First time he’s had a full off season under his belt , he’s going to be a walking triple double next year, lakers should not blow up this core. deal anyone else keep zo. |
Huh?
Do you know how he spends his off-season?
Making Rap records perhaps?
Caring for his baby perhaps?
Worrying about his Shoe deal perhaps?
Listening to his dad perhaps?
Working on his 3point shot? HOPEFULLY
Working on his Free Throws? HOPEFULLY
This is a guy who has averaged 10ppg in 2 seasons (which is kinda low right?), missed 57% of his FT's (which is REALLY low, right?), missed about 70% of his 3point shots (Which is also really low, right?) and has missed an average of 30+ games per year (Which is terrible for a young guy, right?)..
A guy who is under contract to make $11mil in the 2020/21, (which is kinda high based on his poor stats, don't ya think?)
Trade him as fast as possible and move on, Lakers would be LUCKY to get the Suns or Bulls first round pick for him... |
Can you read? Do you understand that player development takes time? This is the first time he’s had a full offseason under his belt.. how can he train if he’s hurt. Lakers are extremely sensitive with injuries. Ball possesses something only a few players ever had. Team first! Elite defense st a young age , go look up Giannis first few years numbers and come back to me. Rome wasn’t build in a day kid. |
I like Lonzo but he is nothing like Giannis is or was. |
Wel if you look at his rookie numbers Or just how he looked .. You would’ve never thought he would’ve been what he is today, look at Jason kids numbers , you would’ve never thought he was going to be a Hall of Famer. The point is he is transcendent. His shot will fall , too many laker fans blow their load based on his dad or rookie woes. Side note , we didn’t loose anything on dlo , he’s not worth the contract he’s going to get.
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| ForumBlueFrank wrote: | | Quote: | One general manager suggested not to diminish the upside on those players, contending the Lakers still have the best trade assets. "That's what they look like in that environment -- and playing with that guy," the GM told NBC Sports Washington.
If there's a deal with the Lakers, most sources would want Ball involved regardless of any parent distractions from his attention-seeking father, Lavar. "People just don't grasp how good he is," a source said. |
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/bradley-beals-potential-all-nba-scenario-leads-league-sources-toward-trade-route |
Unless you're trading him for a piece that transforms us into a legit contender there's little sense in trading him.
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| YSong wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | DLo LoL ... I’m happy Lakers are NOT FACING THE PREDICAMENT of giving this guy a 5/$150mm extension |
They face the PREDICAMENT of giving kemba, vucevic, middleton such money instead, which is even worse. |
All 3 guys who are better than DLo |
And seven years older. |
And? |
They're done getting better whereas DLo probably isn't.
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Jason Kidd reference is valid. Mainly because they are similar in play styles. The Giannis comparison just random and pointless, Giannis is truly transcendent in every form. Lonzo , not so much. Tho he does possess an elite skill already at least (his passing). Which is why I'm higher on him than Ingram, he isn't elite at anything.
Kidd was Rookie of the Year btw.
With Lonzo .. until he improves his shooting and ball handling he is essentially 6'6" Rubio. A solid player to have on the team but not necessarily a guy you'd wanna base your future around.
Tough to say what he will or won't be. I'm keeping some hope for Lonzo but if we could package him and Ingram for a Beal or someone good that would help LeBron right away I'd do it. It's hard for me to put much faith in that ugly shooting stroke. Defense and passing is good tho
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | Considering you and many others thought Rondo was better than Zo going into last year |
not sure that is accurate....I always advocated for the Lakers starting Ball over Rondo before the season. |
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| LKA wrote: | Jason Kidd reference is valid. Mainly because they are similar in play styles. The Giannis comparison just random and pointless, Giannis is truly transcendent in every form. Lonzo , not so much. Tho he does possess an elite skill already at least (his passing). Which is why I'm higher on him than Ingram, he isn't elite at anything.
Kidd was Rookie of the Year btw.
With Lonzo .. until he improves his shooting and ball handling he is essentially 6'6" Rubio. A solid player to have on the team but not necessarily a guy you'd wanna base your future around.
Tough to say what he will or won't be. I'm keeping some hope for Lonzo but if we could package him and Ingram for a Beal or someone good that would help LeBron right away I'd do it. It's hard for me to put much faith in that ugly shooting stroke. Defense and passing is good tho |
Kidd was rookie of the year with worse numbers than lonzo iirc. And I’m not comparing zo to Giannis I’m pointing out that player development takes time.
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| Quote: | One general manager suggested not to diminish the upside on those players, contending the Lakers still have the best trade assets. "That's what they look like in that environment -- and playing with that guy," the GM told NBC Sports Washington.
If there's a deal with the Lakers, most sources would want Ball involved regardless of any parent distractions from his attention-seeking father, Lavar. "People just don't grasp how good he is," a source said. |
I hate these anonymous sources from nobody. They keep saying how GREAT Lonzo is but when it comes to actual trading, nobody wants him. New Orleans didn't really jump out of their shoes when he was offered. Did the Spurs get excited when we offered him for Kawhi or did they even ask for Lonzo?
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