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realking24
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Quote: | Fred Roggin
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According to sources..
#Lakers set meeting with D’Angelo Russell. Club working towards setting meetings with defensive specialist and a lights out shooter also has interest. To be continued.... |
Hard to tell who Fred's source is though. |
David Nwaba, Anthony Brown, and DLo?!  |
Trying not to be a downer on every source pluse I like Fred, is this somewhat legit. Some of the rumors should have some legs because aren’t the teams trying to get a feel which players are thinking before the start to free agency? |
Idk if Fred's sources are legit or not, but yeah, this close to 7/1 a lot of things are already hashed out or close to being done behind the scenes. |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The lights out shooter could be Korver, no? |
lights out for 10mins a game |
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TheBlackMamba
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| Defensive specialist = Ariza? Ah, I love this time of year... |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | I wouldn't be surprised if Roggin just saw Arye's tweet and ran with it. Though he did add a new tidbit about the other two mystery players the Lakers were trying to line up meetings with, so he could have a different source. Until someone more reputable runs this, I refuse to get my hopes up that we actually have a solid plan for the cap space. |
Fred Roggin has been covering the Lakers since 1980, he’s not gonna copy a work from arye. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Defensive specialist = Ariza? Ah, I love this time of year... |
I love Ariza but just keep in mind he is on the Tyson Chandler path of decline.
I don’t mind him as a role player off the bench, but price has to be right. |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Defensive specialist = Ariza? Ah, I love this time of year... |
Is he still good on defense? |
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| nomoreshaq wrote: | beginning to think we are going to add Dlo, Seth curry and a "Defensive specialist" - beverly. something like 27 for DLO, 6 for beverly and the room for seth curry. korver for the min.
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If they're adding Seth as a shooter (which would be awesome), I hope D. Green is the "defensive specialist" target to get more size in the backcourt.
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| Lots of buzz from Roggin’s tweet that the shooting specialist we are targeting is JJ Reddick. |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | Woj on SC right now: "Russell has an open mind in returning to the Lakers" |
so when he spreads the good Lakers news, all of a sudden he is a credible source again....lol |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | Kobe_Is_King13 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | Beverly
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You can literally rotate anyone on defense good for switching. |
I'd rather have KCP than Beverley... Pat's getting old and KCP can score way more if he gets hot. I like Beverley's intangibles... but I think KCP adds more true offensive threat. |
Truth be told, Beverley's got 1 or 2 more years max at this level of defense...maybe less. But he's going to want to get paid as much as KCP. For me if their salaries are the same, I'd rather keep KCP. He can get hot and has decent defense. He's also decent on the fast break and can shoot off the dribble and in catch & shoot situations.
Beverley is a decent 3pt shooter, but outside of catch & shoot is pretty much useless on the offensive end. If cost is the same, I'd rather have KCP. |
Yeah, everyone is biased because of KCP's bonehead plays... and Beverley has evolved into more of a myth than a player. If you look at it objectively KCP is the better player and we don't have enough talent at guard to have only a spiritual leader. |
By RPM Beverley has been the much better player - one of the truly best defensive guards in the NBA and a smart offensive player who knows his limitations. |
KCP had the better VORP the year before last.
I get why people like Pat... he's tenacious and fiery and the better leader.
I just have zero fear of him as an offensive threat and I think he's going to decline defensively due to age.
I won't be upset if we sign him... but that's just my opinion.
I'd rather face Pat than KCP on the opposing team... especially with the spacing this team will provide for him. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Lots of buzz from Roggin’s tweet that the shooting specialist we are targeting is JJ Reddick. |
We don't have money for DLO + Redick
I think Korver....
Redick is going to cost $10-12 mil per year.... |
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Specialists?
Shooters: Korver, Curry, Melo
Defenders: Aminu, Green, Hollis-Jefferson, Ariza
My choices would be Curry and Aminu. |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Another plus to bringing Dlo back - post-Lebron, it opens up the possibility of Banana Boat, Part 2 in LA down the road with KAT and/or Booker...pretty important given all the draft picks we gave up... |
I like the way you’re thinking.
Sign everyone to deals that allow us to drop back under the cap after Lebron retires, then poach another star from a badly-run franchise, just like Lebron and AD.
The Lakers are badly run, but they seem to be able to do one thing well, and if they poach enough stars, that gets you a long way.
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| epak wrote: | | Quote: | Fred Roggin
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According to sources..
#Lakers set meeting with D’Angelo Russell. Club working towards setting meetings with defensive specialist and a lights out shooter also has interest. To be continued.... |
Hard to tell who Fred's source is though. |
Setting a meeting with a RFA now? Lakers not gonna wait for Nets to renounce Dlo and just let him sign an offer sheet and tie up their money?
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| I would guess the defensive specialist is Bev. There aren't really very many players who are known that way, he's right at the top of the list. |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Quote: | Fred Roggin
@FredNBCLA
According to sources..
#Lakers set meeting with D’Angelo Russell. Club working towards setting meetings with defensive specialist and a lights out shooter also has interest. To be continued.... |
Hard to tell who Fred's source is though. |
Setting a meeting with a RFA now? Lakers not gonna wait for Nets to renounce Dlo and just let him sign an offer sheet and tie up their money? |
Something sounds fishy ey? Either total BS.
Or Kyrie let Lebron know he's going to the Nets. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | Kobe_Is_King13 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | Beverly
DLO
LeBron
Kuzma
AD
You can literally rotate anyone on defense good for switching. |
I'd rather have KCP than Beverley... Pat's getting old and KCP can score way more if he gets hot. I like Beverley's intangibles... but I think KCP adds more true offensive threat. |
Truth be told, Beverley's got 1 or 2 more years max at this level of defense...maybe less. But he's going to want to get paid as much as KCP. For me if their salaries are the same, I'd rather keep KCP. He can get hot and has decent defense. He's also decent on the fast break and can shoot off the dribble and in catch & shoot situations.
Beverley is a decent 3pt shooter, but outside of catch & shoot is pretty much useless on the offensive end. If cost is the same, I'd rather have KCP. |
Yeah, everyone is biased because of KCP's bonehead plays... and Beverley has evolved into more of a myth than a player. If you look at it objectively KCP is the better player and we don't have enough talent at guard to have only a spiritual leader. |
By RPM Beverley has been the much better player - one of the truly best defensive guards in the NBA and a smart offensive player who knows his limitations. |
KCP had the better VORP the year before last.
I get why people like Pat... he's tenacious and fiery and the better leader.
I just have zero fear of him as an offensive threat and I think he's going to decline defensively due to age.
I won't be upset if we sign him... but that's just my opinion.
I'd rather face Pat than KCP on the opposing team... especially with the spacing this team will provide for him. |
But Pat only played 11 games that season due to injury. And I'm looking for a backcourt buddy for DLo in this scenario and I see more of a need for PatBev's defense than KCP's offense on a team with DAR, Lebron, AD, and Kuzma.
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| LakerSD wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Defensive specialist = Ariza? Ah, I love this time of year... |
I love Ariza but just keep in mind he is on the Tyson Chandler path of decline.
I don’t mind him as a role player off the bench, but price has to be right. |
Ya, that price is vet minimum and that's it. Like you said Ariza is going to be the old Tyson Chandler of perimeter players soon. I'd rather go after Jeff Green |
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| epak wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Quote: | Fred Roggin
@FredNBCLA
According to sources..
#Lakers set meeting with D’Angelo Russell. Club working towards setting meetings with defensive specialist and a lights out shooter also has interest. To be continued.... |
Hard to tell who Fred's source is though. |
Setting a meeting with a RFA now? Lakers not gonna wait for Nets to renounce Dlo and just let him sign an offer sheet and tie up their money? |
Something sounds fishy ey? Either total BS.
Or Kyrie let Lebron know he's going to the Nets. |
Nothing fishy at all. Why not make them decide sooner rather than later? Make an offer and they'd have 3 days to match. They'd most likely decline to match and make him a UFA as they're trying to sign Kyrie and KD. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | Kobe_Is_King13 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | Beverly
DLO
LeBron
Kuzma
AD
You can literally rotate anyone on defense good for switching. |
I'd rather have KCP than Beverley... Pat's getting old and KCP can score way more if he gets hot. I like Beverley's intangibles... but I think KCP adds more true offensive threat. |
Truth be told, Beverley's got 1 or 2 more years max at this level of defense...maybe less. But he's going to want to get paid as much as KCP. For me if their salaries are the same, I'd rather keep KCP. He can get hot and has decent defense. He's also decent on the fast break and can shoot off the dribble and in catch & shoot situations.
Beverley is a decent 3pt shooter, but outside of catch & shoot is pretty much useless on the offensive end. If cost is the same, I'd rather have KCP. |
Yeah, everyone is biased because of KCP's bonehead plays... and Beverley has evolved into more of a myth than a player. If you look at it objectively KCP is the better player and we don't have enough talent at guard to have only a spiritual leader. |
By RPM Beverley has been the much better player - one of the truly best defensive guards in the NBA and a smart offensive player who knows his limitations. |
KCP had the better VORP the year before last.
I get why people like Pat... he's tenacious and fiery and the better leader.
I just have zero fear of him as an offensive threat and I think he's going to decline defensively due to age.
I won't be upset if we sign him... but that's just my opinion.
I'd rather face Pat than KCP on the opposing team... especially with the spacing this team will provide for him. |
No thanks Jeff. If you have KCP in your rotation in the playoff , it means we are not a championship team. He gambles a lot, make a lot bonehead plays and rarely make shots in the rhythm of offense. He’s a turnover waiting to happen especially when you need something in crucial situations.
His value is more of a rabbit chaser for the regular season to keep our key players fresh.
For that role, Beverley all day err day |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | nomoreshaq wrote: | beginning to think we are going to add Dlo, Seth curry and a "Defensive specialist" - beverly. something like 27 for DLO, 6 for beverly and the room for seth curry. korver for the min.
AD
Kuz
LBJ
DLO/Curry/Korver
BEV
not a bad top 7. |
If they're adding Seth as a shooter (which would be awesome), I hope D. Green is the "defensive specialist" target to get more size in the backcourt. |
Can we revive this defensive analytics talk again.. I'm scared your relying on DRPM for any semblance of accuracy pinpointing a player like Seth's defense.
A friend sent me a list of potential FA's last night and he included their RPM's and DRPM's.. made me look at the DRPM list again.
Jimmy Butler By all accounts from Philly fans/bloggers, he was an average defender in the regular season for them and not a speck more. His effort was considerably lower than previous years.
His DRPM though is 2nd in the NBA for shooting guards http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/2
Here is how Philly fans saw his defense
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Doing some playoff research and found a pretty staggering number — Jimmy Butler’s overall defense since joining the Sixers is in the 22nd percentile, per Synergy. The only defensive category in which he rates as above average is against spot-up shooters.
@sixersadam
The biggest reason is pretty clearly effort. It’s painfully obvious that he’s been coasting on defense for a while now. Ultimately that’s okay for this year if he steps it up in the playoffs. But if he’s in the long-term plans, I’m not sure if this is tenable.
@sixersadam
Many are skeptics of the value of Synergy’s defensive numbers, which is fair. But I think it’s fairly clear that he hasn’t been a plus defender for the Sixers.
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here's more accounts from Sixers fans https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/bcnnqa/how_is_jimmy_butlers_defense_this_year/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
There's more examples of players like this as well. D analytics being notoriously unreliable is looking true-ooh to me |
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| LeBron/AD/DLo sounds so sexy in terms of names and talent, we are gonna be really really good next year. |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | nomoreshaq wrote: | beginning to think we are going to add Dlo, Seth curry and a "Defensive specialist" - beverly. something like 27 for DLO, 6 for beverly and the room for seth curry. korver for the min.
AD
Kuz
LBJ
DLO/Curry/Korver
BEV
not a bad top 7. |
If they're adding Seth as a shooter (which would be awesome), I hope D. Green is the "defensive specialist" target to get more size in the backcourt. |
Can we revive this defensive analytics talk again.. I'm scared your relying on DRPM for any semblance of accuracy pinpointing a player like Seth's defense.
A friend sent me a list of potential FA's last night and he included their RPM's and DRPM's.. made me look at the DRPM list again.
Jimmy Butler By all accounts from Philly fans/bloggers, he was an average defender in the regular season for them and not a speck more. His effort was considerably lower than previous years.
His DRPM though is 2nd in the NBA for shooting guards http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/2
Here is how Philly fans saw his defense
| Quote: | @sixersadam
Doing some playoff research and found a pretty staggering number — Jimmy Butler’s overall defense since joining the Sixers is in the 22nd percentile, per Synergy. The only defensive category in which he rates as above average is against spot-up shooters.
@sixersadam
The biggest reason is pretty clearly effort. It’s painfully obvious that he’s been coasting on defense for a while now. Ultimately that’s okay for this year if he steps it up in the playoffs. But if he’s in the long-term plans, I’m not sure if this is tenable.
@sixersadam
Many are skeptics of the value of Synergy’s defensive numbers, which is fair. But I think it’s fairly clear that he hasn’t been a plus defender for the Sixers.
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here's more accounts from Sixers fans https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/bcnnqa/how_is_jimmy_butlers_defense_this_year/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
There's more examples of players like this as well. D analytics being notoriously unreliable is looking true-ooh to me |
I'd be adding Seth Curry for his shooting more than his defense.
But to your broader point, random fans' assessment of a player's defense seems much more unreliable to me.
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | nomoreshaq wrote: | beginning to think we are going to add Dlo, Seth curry and a "Defensive specialist" - beverly. something like 27 for DLO, 6 for beverly and the room for seth curry. korver for the min.
AD
Kuz
LBJ
DLO/Curry/Korver
BEV
not a bad top 7. |
If they're adding Seth as a shooter (which would be awesome), I hope D. Green is the "defensive specialist" target to get more size in the backcourt. |
Can we revive this defensive analytics talk again.. I'm scared your relying on DRPM for any semblance of accuracy pinpointing a player like Seth's defense.
A friend sent me a list of potential FA's last night and he included their RPM's and DRPM's.. made me look at the DRPM list again.
Jimmy Butler By all accounts from Philly fans/bloggers, he was an average defender in the regular season for them and not a speck more. His effort was considerably lower than previous years.
His DRPM though is 2nd in the NBA for shooting guards http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/2
Here is how Philly fans saw his defense
| Quote: | @sixersadam
Doing some playoff research and found a pretty staggering number — Jimmy Butler’s overall defense since joining the Sixers is in the 22nd percentile, per Synergy. The only defensive category in which he rates as above average is against spot-up shooters.
@sixersadam
The biggest reason is pretty clearly effort. It’s painfully obvious that he’s been coasting on defense for a while now. Ultimately that’s okay for this year if he steps it up in the playoffs. But if he’s in the long-term plans, I’m not sure if this is tenable.
@sixersadam
Many are skeptics of the value of Synergy’s defensive numbers, which is fair. But I think it’s fairly clear that he hasn’t been a plus defender for the Sixers.
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here's more accounts from Sixers fans https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/bcnnqa/how_is_jimmy_butlers_defense_this_year/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
There's more examples of players like this as well. D analytics being notoriously unreliable is looking true-ooh to me |
That year with Rondo taught him about coasting the regular season and being playoff James ey? |
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| Kobe_Is_King13 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Quote: | Fred Roggin
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According to sources..
#Lakers set meeting with D’Angelo Russell. Club working towards setting meetings with defensive specialist and a lights out shooter also has interest. To be continued.... |
Hard to tell who Fred's source is though. |
Setting a meeting with a RFA now? Lakers not gonna wait for Nets to renounce Dlo and just let him sign an offer sheet and tie up their money? |
Something sounds fishy ey? Either total BS.
Or Kyrie let Lebron know he's going to the Nets. |
Nothing fishy at all. Why not make them decide sooner rather than later? Make an offer and they'd have 3 days to match. They'd most likely decline to match and make him a UFA as they're trying to sign Kyrie and KD. |
Soonest Nets can match is July 9th because the offer sheet even if it’s signed on July 1st won’t go into effect legally until July 6th (via Bobby Marks).
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