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methdxman Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:07 am Post subject: Giannis vs. AD |
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After seeing Giannis win the MVP... for the real hoop junkies out there, how do their games compare on both ends of the floor + intangibles? To be honest, living overseas, I can really only have time to focus on the Lakers so I haven't seen either of them really play all that much. Who's better at what aspects of the game? Did we get a potential MVP candidate in AD or is he already lagging behind a guy like Giannis? |
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:14 am Post subject: Re: Giannis vs. AD |
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methdxman wrote: | After seeing Giannis win the MVP... for the real hoop junkies out there, how do their games compare on both ends of the floor + intangibles? To be honest, living overseas, I can really only have time to focus on the Lakers so I haven't seen either of them really play all that much. Who's better at what aspects of the game? Did we get a potential MVP candidate in AD or is he already lagging behind a guy like Giannis? |
I love both players. I think Davis is the better all around player when it comes to skill but Giannis is a more aggressive player. Giannis is a better ball handler Davis has the better jumper. Giannis has the better body, Davis has hit more big shots, Giannis can be stopped or slowed down with a zone. Davis will just shoot over the zone. Giannis is the better passer Davis is the better shot blocker. I think Davis is top 6 I think Giannis is top 10. Just my opinion _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
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methdxman Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:16 am Post subject: Re: Giannis vs. AD |
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Car54 wrote: | methdxman wrote: | After seeing Giannis win the MVP... for the real hoop junkies out there, how do their games compare on both ends of the floor + intangibles? To be honest, living overseas, I can really only have time to focus on the Lakers so I haven't seen either of them really play all that much. Who's better at what aspects of the game? Did we get a potential MVP candidate in AD or is he already lagging behind a guy like Giannis? |
I love both players. I think Davis is the better all around player when it comes to skill but Giannis is a more aggressive player. Giannis is a better ball handler Davis has the better jumper. Giannis has the better body, Davis has hit more big shots, Giannis can be stopped or slowed down with a zone. Davis will just shoot over the zone. Giannis is the better passer Davis is the better shot blocker. I think Davis is top 6 I think Giannis is top 10. Just my opinion |
Giannis is top 10 and won MVP???
So you would say that Davis is more clutch on offense?
What about on defense, who has the edge? |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Anthony Davis just produced his best season (over 56 games) at age 25-26. Giannis just produced his best season (over 72 games) at age 23-24 and it was better than any season in AD's career to date.
Giannis is a primary option and the engine of one of the NBA's best offenses whereas Davis is a mostly dependent scorer, but arguably one of the most versatile and efficient dependent scorers the league has ever seen. If I'm starting a team, I choose Giannis ten times out of ten.
And folks will bring up defense, but there's no real gap between the two in terms of defensive impact: Giannis wrecks shop on that end, too. _________________ Under New Management |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Still surprised Harden didn't get the MVP |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Their styles are so different that they are hard to compare. You could make a reasoned argument for either of them, and this is true on both ends of the court. They are only about a year apart in age. I would give the edge to Giannis based on durability. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Nice to have one of the few unicorns.
Love Giannis. One of my favorite NBA players. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Both are MVP-level franchise guys. AD's shooting advantage is significant, but I feel Giannis has potential to improve greatly based on his solid form at the line. I love AD, but with Giannis's superior ball-handling, passing, ability to create his own shot, athleticism, and durability, I'd take the Freak if I had to choose. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
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alleyoop Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I chose Giannis just because he's proven to be a more aggressive, more alpha-type player in his career to this point. Younger too. Not to say AD isn't a supreme player, though
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George
If I was starting a team, and wanted a piece to go forward with, I'd probably only take Giannis and Kawhi over AD _________________ #18 next... |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Giannis is a shot creator, has the ball in his hands, and can create the action.
AD is dependent on others to set him up, a bit more traditional big man in that respect.
I'll still happily take AD (though I would choose Giannis first in a draft).
This is like complaining about owning a Mercedes instead of a BMW. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:29 am Post subject: |
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alleyoop wrote: |
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George |
Am I crazy for thinking that, due to his age-based decline, Bron is now fifth behind KD, KL, Steph, and Giannis? _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:29 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Giannis is a shot creator, has the ball in his hands, and can create the action.
AD is dependent on others to set him up, a bit more traditional big man in that respect.
I'll still happily take AD (though I would choose Giannis first in a draft).
This is like complaining about owning a Mercedes instead of a BMW. |
It's nice having First-World Basketball Problems. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:31 am Post subject: |
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I do think over time, Giannis will have a 35% level 3 point game, which will open things up for him. Raptors defended him well making him go to the hole most of the time and wearing him out (oh and that KL dude did a decent job ). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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BROW GOAT 23 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:32 am Post subject: |
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AD will establish him self as the best player in the NBA once the next season is over. Watch and learn. _________________ |
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Huey Lewis & The News Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Giannis. If you think it's a tie, then tiebreaker goes to the better looking one and my god is that Giannis by far. _________________ "All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers."
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PRLakeShow Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:35 am Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | alleyoop wrote: |
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George |
Am I crazy for thinking that, due to his age-based decline, Bron is now fifth behind KD, KL, Steph, and Giannis? |
You're not. He should be bumped down the list but he's LeBron so... Yeah...
I would put Harden in the top 5. Yeah I know we all hate him but it's the truth. |
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alleyoop Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:36 am Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | alleyoop wrote: |
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George |
Am I crazy for thinking that, due to his age-based decline, Bron is now fifth behind KD, KL, Steph, and Giannis? |
I understand the thought, but I’m considering who the best players would be at this very moment, injury aside. I still think Bron is an unstoppable force when at his best, and will show that for the next two seasons _________________ #18 next... |
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PRLakeShow Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:39 am Post subject: |
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alleyoop wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | alleyoop wrote: |
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George |
Am I crazy for thinking that, due to his age-based decline, Bron is now fifth behind KD, KL, Steph, and Giannis? |
I understand the thought, but I’m considering who the best players would be at this very moment, injury aside. I still think Bron is an unstoppable force when at his best, and will show that for the next two seasons |
He was so unstoppable that after activating his playoff mode we were still losing... Badly. |
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alleyoop Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:43 am Post subject: |
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PRLakeShow wrote: | alleyoop wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | alleyoop wrote: |
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George |
Am I crazy for thinking that, due to his age-based decline, Bron is now fifth behind KD, KL, Steph, and Giannis? |
I understand the thought, but I’m considering who the best players would be at this very moment, injury aside. I still think Bron is an unstoppable force when at his best, and will show that for the next two seasons |
He was so unstoppable that after activating his playoff mode we were still losing... Badly. |
With a very depleted supporting cast around him (no Lonzo, no Ingram, not much Hart etc)
He can’t do it on his own lol _________________ #18 next... |
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TheKing23 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Has Giannis ever scored an easy 59? I like Giannis but Kawhi exposed him, let see how AD fares against Kawhi in practice scrimmages |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:47 am Post subject: |
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TheKing23 wrote: | Has Giannis ever scored an easy 59? I like Giannis but Kawhi exposed him, let see how AD fares against Kawhi in practice scrimmages |
Devin Booker put up 70 points in a game. _________________ Under New Management |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:49 am Post subject: |
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TheKing23 wrote: | Has Giannis ever scored an easy 59? I like Giannis but Kawhi exposed him, let see how AD fares against Kawhi in practice scrimmages |
Kawhi exposes everyone.
Giannis is the next face of the NBA.
AD will have a chance to be one of the top faces in the NBA now that he's a Laker too. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:54 am Post subject: |
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PRLakeShow wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | alleyoop wrote: |
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George |
Am I crazy for thinking that, due to his age-based decline, Bron is now fifth behind KD, KL, Steph, and Giannis? |
You're not. He should be bumped down the list but he's LeBron so... Yeah...
I would put Harden in the top 5. Yeah I know we all hate him but it's the truth. |
I have Harden right after Bron and then AD next. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:54 am Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | alleyoop wrote: |
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George |
Am I crazy for thinking that, due to his age-based decline, Bron is now fifth behind KD, KL, Steph, and Giannis? |
The most recent video in the Thinking Basketball series (linked in General) has a similar ranking. At the end of the video, it compare the rankings to other analytics groups. What I found interesting was that they all picked essentially the same 10 guys (listed above), though one of them included Lillard. They all ranked Curry #1. One of them has Lebron #2, another had him #6, if I recall correctly.
We can argue about the order, but I was struck by the degree of consensus about who belongs on the list. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Amazing how PG13 could have been on this team. We'd have 3 top 10 players... _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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