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Jerry West is amazing. The guy is professional, highly effective and loved the Lakers. The Buss family pushing this guy out is a sign of brain damage.
Having said that... Kawhi Leonard played the Lakers... big time. Kawhi wanted to be a Clipper and that was his #1 goal this offseason.
He did everything he could to delay the process because he knew defeating LeBron, AD and the Lakers start with the role players on the team.
That means... Kawhi would rather face a Lakers team without a Jimmy Butler, Kyrie Irving, DeAngelo Russell, etc as the third All Star.
Kawhi first reached out to Kevin Durant (which tells you the type of people Kawhi wants to associate with), a guy who is anti-LeBron, to team up with him as a Clipper. That right there... tells you everything you needed to know.
When that didn't work, Kawhi pushed the Clippers to trade ALOT for Paul George. Durant, George... these were desperate acts to team up with someone in a Clippers uniform.
It wasn't desperation to team up with an All Star...otherwise Kawhi signed on Day 1 of FA with LeBron and AD. No, this was desperation to team up with an All Star as a Clipper...which means he had already decided he was never going to be a Laker.
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| johnnyhandsome wrote: | | ducasse2 wrote: |
You think Plan A was to give up five 1st round draft picks and their 2018 1st round pick? No, the plan was to sign two max guys and keep their picks. Due to their incompetence in failing to use cap space to sign a second max player it cost them six first rounders. |
If I am not mistaken, two of those 1st rounders are from Miami. One of those picks came from absorbing Harkless' contract a few days prior. Who knows, maybe they were stock piling those picks to complete the deal? So while it's true, the Clippers did give up 5 picks, they only gave away 3 of their own picks.
What we know now, is that Leonard was working on teaming up with PG. Could the Harkless trade been made to acquire that 1st pick to sweeten the pot? Could that move been made at the advice of the logo? Plan A was to acquire kawhi but as it looked like he didn't want to come alone, the FO shifted to get Kawhi's future teammate he wanted to play with. It looks like a haul of assets but a lot of those assets are from numerous side deals that were created when they disbanded the old core. We also have to remember that Kawhi isn't possible for the Clippers without PG13. So basically, they gave up some of their assets to get two players, not one. |
I agree with the trade, they had to do it, but the point is not refuted, that if the Clippers had used available cap space to size a 2nd max to pair with Kawhi they would have kept all or almost all of those assets they gave away. They couldn't get it done with plan A so they went to a backup plan which cost them dearly. Six first round picks (to include their 2018 1st round pick) and pick swaps on top of that is an astronomical price. |
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PayasoLoco
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| BTW how is this not tampering telling another player to demand a trade? |
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Ziggy
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | BTW how is this not tampering telling another player to demand a trade? |
The league has never enforced player to player tampering. I remember someone posting a quote from the cba showing it is in fact against the rules for players to tamper. There's just no way to enforce it. In today's league the players are all friends. |
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socalsp3
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I wonder what would’ve happen if Jeanie let Jerry come back  |
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Halflife
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | I wonder what would’ve happen if Jeanie let Jerry come back |
huh. Our roster is sick and imo as deep as clippers if that’s the comparison. They are bringing back 6 key players in the same system and adding 2 modular 3and d guys.
Klaw is best player but we have 2, 3 best and better roster. We have a whole new system. If not for a trash second qt we win that game imo. Our front office is fine |
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| Such drama at LG lately. We already have the resident piss and vinegar guy, this place doesn't need more pissy characters |
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Fracture
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Jerry West the GOAT
Lmao@ Jeanie  |
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| Clippers build an outstanding team. Their front office is much better then ours IMO. Sad they didn’t bring him back. Wouldn’t mind Zubac back either |
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| Probably should rename to "underestimated Lawrence Frank" |
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| epak wrote: | | Probably should rename to "underestimated Lawrence Frank" |
Why?
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lakers4life78
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Clippers have done everything right last few years since flop City . Realized limits of team. Aborted mission. Built it up and acquired assets and struck gold. All while maintaining a respectable non tanking team.
Reminds me of Lakers 94-96.
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| realking24 wrote: | | Clippers build an outstanding team. Their front office is much better then ours IMO. Sad they didn’t bring him back. Wouldn’t mind Zubac back either |
Hold on! Let’s get this straight the only reason the clippers are where they are is because they had a ton of nba league exec help. The trade veto started this success domino effect for the clippers. Than it was the tampering with DeAndre and they helped them when the league forced out there cheap owner to a billionaire with the most punchable face and personality you will meet.
Don’t give me this (bleep) it’s because of Jerry. Yea Jerry helped them with trading but to get this far ahead was of 2 reasons
1. (bleep) David stern you scum bag piece of (bleep) mother (bleep)
2. They are lucky because Magic as an executive was complete ass. We could have Jerry but it was BS we didn’t bring him back |
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| realking24 wrote: | | Clippers build an outstanding team. Their front office is much better then ours IMO. Sad they didn’t bring him back. Wouldn’t mind Zubac back either |
They have the best roster in the league unfortunately.. |
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realking24
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| 999 wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Clippers build an outstanding team. Their front office is much better then ours IMO. Sad they didn’t bring him back. Wouldn’t mind Zubac back either |
Hold on! Let’s get this straight the only reason the clippers are where they are is because they had a ton of nba league exec help. The trade veto started this success domino effect for the clippers. Than it was the tampering with DeAndre and they helped them when the league forced out there cheap owner to a billionaire with the most punchable face and personality you will meet.
Don’t give me this (bleep) it’s because of Jerry. Yea Jerry helped them with trading but to get this far ahead was of 2 reasons
1. (bleep) David stern you scum bag piece of (bleep) mother (bleep)
2. They are lucky because Magic as an executive was complete ass. We could have Jerry but it was BS we didn’t bring him back |
Good points. The trade veto was devastating to this team no doubt.
Not just Jerry West, hate to say it and it’s really annoying but it starts up top and the owner is rich and surrounded the organized with great basketball minds, great chemistry plus have Doc as head coach. But yeah they pushed the limits that were allowed within a spectrum of gray area and got away with it. It was bull (bleep).
Magic screwed us within the margin moves. Magic was like a sprinter that had to wear a 10 lbs vest during the race to the organization |
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bandiger
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| realking24 wrote: | | 999 wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Clippers build an outstanding team. Their front office is much better then ours IMO. Sad they didn’t bring him back. Wouldn’t mind Zubac back either |
Hold on! Let’s get this straight the only reason the clippers are where they are is because they had a ton of nba league exec help. The trade veto started this success domino effect for the clippers. Than it was the tampering with DeAndre and they helped them when the league forced out there cheap owner to a billionaire with the most punchable face and personality you will meet.
Don’t give me this (bleep) it’s because of Jerry. Yea Jerry helped them with trading but to get this far ahead was of 2 reasons
1. (bleep) David stern you scum bag piece of (bleep) mother (bleep)
2. They are lucky because Magic as an executive was complete ass. We could have Jerry but it was BS we didn’t bring him back |
Good points. The trade veto was devastating to this team no doubt.
Not just Jerry West, hate to say it and it’s really annoying but it starts up top and the owner is rich and surrounded the organized with great basketball minds, great chemistry plus have Doc as head coach. But yeah they pushed the limits that were allowed within a spectrum of gray area and got away with it. It was bull (bleep).
Magic screwed us within the margin moves. Magic was like a sprinter that had to wear a 10 lbs vest during the race to the organization |
The Buss kids are to blame, just one (bleep) up after another. They grew up around the franchise yet have not much brains or connections to seek out brilliant minds out there. |
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bandiger
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| realking24 wrote: | | 999 wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Clippers build an outstanding team. Their front office is much better then ours IMO. Sad they didn’t bring him back. Wouldn’t mind Zubac back either |
Hold on! Let’s get this straight the only reason the clippers are where they are is because they had a ton of nba league exec help. The trade veto started this success domino effect for the clippers. Than it was the tampering with DeAndre and they helped them when the league forced out there cheap owner to a billionaire with the most punchable face and personality you will meet.
Don’t give me this (bleep) it’s because of Jerry. Yea Jerry helped them with trading but to get this far ahead was of 2 reasons
1. (bleep) David stern you scum bag piece of (bleep) mother (bleep)
2. They are lucky because Magic as an executive was complete ass. We could have Jerry but it was BS we didn’t bring him back |
Good points. The trade veto was devastating to this team no doubt.
Not just Jerry West, hate to say it and it’s really annoying but it starts up top and the owner is rich and surrounded the organized with great basketball minds, great chemistry plus have Doc as head coach. But yeah they pushed the limits that were allowed within a spectrum of gray area and got away with it. It was bull (bleep).
Magic screwed us within the margin moves. Magic was like a sprinter that had to wear a 10 lbs vest during the race to the organization |
The Buss kids are to blame, just one (bleep) up after another. They grew up around the franchise yet have not much brains or connections to seek out brilliant minds out there. |
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realking24
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| bandiger wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | 999 wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Clippers build an outstanding team. Their front office is much better then ours IMO. Sad they didn’t bring him back. Wouldn’t mind Zubac back either |
Hold on! Let’s get this straight the only reason the clippers are where they are is because they had a ton of nba league exec help. The trade veto started this success domino effect for the clippers. Than it was the tampering with DeAndre and they helped them when the league forced out there cheap owner to a billionaire with the most punchable face and personality you will meet.
Don’t give me this (bleep) it’s because of Jerry. Yea Jerry helped them with trading but to get this far ahead was of 2 reasons
1. (bleep) David stern you scum bag piece of (bleep) mother (bleep)
2. They are lucky because Magic as an executive was complete ass. We could have Jerry but it was BS we didn’t bring him back |
Good points. The trade veto was devastating to this team no doubt.
Not just Jerry West, hate to say it and it’s really annoying but it starts up top and the owner is rich and surrounded the organized with great basketball minds, great chemistry plus have Doc as head coach. But yeah they pushed the limits that were allowed within a spectrum of gray area and got away with it. It was bull (bleep).
Magic screwed us within the margin moves. Magic was like a sprinter that had to wear a 10 lbs vest during the race to the organization |
The Buss kids are to blame, just one (bleep) up after another. They grew up around the franchise yet have not much brains or connections to seek out brilliant minds out there. |
That’s true. I just wonder if the correct Buss kid is in charge. I think Jessie and the other one that helps run the G league team might be a better fit. But yes this all starts with Jeanie and I’m rooting for her but don’t have a ton of faith. They put together a nice team we shall see. |
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You cannot compare the Clippers to Lakers. They're a forward thinking front office and organization. Their owner is powerful, rich, and exciting. He's building a new arena. Donald Sterling Clippers are over.
Lakers front office is filled with nepotism ad idiots who just want to point to banners in the rafters. That doesn't work anymore. Only thing they have going for them is that they're in LA. Otherwsie, they'd be the Knicks. Being in LA is what landed Lebron and eventually AD because his agent steered him here. Now try not to F it up clowns.
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Clippers tampered better (and didn't get caught) with Kawhi. It's clear as day they tampered and were working like a joint enterprise even before FA started.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Clippers tampered better (and didn't get caught) with Kawhi. It's clear as day they tampered and were working like a joint enterprise even before FA started. |
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lakers4life78
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Clippers tampered better (and didn't get caught) with Kawhi. It's clear as day they tampered and were working like a joint enterprise even before FA started. |
Oh yes, the Laker fan refrain: the league screwed us over.
If you repeat it enough, it doesn't become true.
Yes, the league forced them to cut Randle for nary a second round pick, to let BroLo go for Beasley, to trade Zubac for a pile of trash on the sidewalk. The league forced their former executive to have a big fat mouth. To botch their coaching search, to draft a point guard who can't make a layup. To pay KCP tens of millions of dollars to suck.
Clippers deserve KL. They realized the Blake/Deandre tandem was going nowhere and over two years acquired assets and cap space while also being a solid team last year. Lakers want to point up to the sky and say "dou duh do, look at the banners."
Jeannie Buss took one too many botox injections to the brain. She's an idiot and the Lakers front office is garbage. But it doesn't matter. Rich Paul is pulling the strings.
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| lakers4life78 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Clippers tampered better (and didn't get caught) with Kawhi. It's clear as day they tampered and were working like a joint enterprise even before FA started. |
Oh yes, the Laker fan refrain: the league screwed us over.
If you repeat it enough, it doesn't become true.
Yes, the league forced them to cut Randle for nary a second round pick, to let BroLo go for Beasley, to trade Zubac for a pile of trash on the sidewalk. The league forced their former executive to have a big fat mouth. To botch their coaching search, to draft a point guard who can't make a layup. To pay KCP tens of millions of dollars to suck.
Clippers deserve KL. They realized the Blake/Deandre tandem was going nowhere and over two years acquired assets and cap space while also being a solid team last year. Lakers want to point up to the sky and say "dou duh do, look at the banners."
Jeannie Buss took one too many botox injections to the brain. She's an idiot and the Lakers front office is garbage. But it doesn't matter. Rich Paul is pulling the strings. |
Why is it mutually exclusive?
My sole point was the Clips tampered with KL. Is that true or not?
And can that coexist with your point about Lakers not being competent (while still somehow "stumbling" into 2 top 7 players?).
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| I think Clippers' massive victory against Warriors with Leonard only playing 21 minutes is a good sign for us. If we hadn't (bleep) up so much in the fourth quarter we would have had options for the winning. There are still 81 matches, the Clippers have the better team now, it's a fact, but let's see how our team evolves until the playoff. |
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lakers4life78
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | lakers4life78 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Clippers tampered better (and didn't get caught) with Kawhi. It's clear as day they tampered and were working like a joint enterprise even before FA started. |
Oh yes, the Laker fan refrain: the league screwed us over.
If you repeat it enough, it doesn't become true.
Yes, the league forced them to cut Randle for nary a second round pick, to let BroLo go for Beasley, to trade Zubac for a pile of trash on the sidewalk. The league forced their former executive to have a big fat mouth. To botch their coaching search, to draft a point guard who can't make a layup. To pay KCP tens of millions of dollars to suck.
Clippers deserve KL. They realized the Blake/Deandre tandem was going nowhere and over two years acquired assets and cap space while also being a solid team last year. Lakers want to point up to the sky and say "dou duh do, look at the banners."
Jeannie Buss took one too many botox injections to the brain. She's an idiot and the Lakers front office is garbage. But it doesn't matter. Rich Paul is pulling the strings. |
Why is it mutually exclusive?
My sole point was the Clips tampered with KL. Is that true or not?
And can that coexist with your point about Lakers not being competent (while still somehow "stumbling" into 2 top 7 players?). |
Your tampering theory is purely speculative. It's a convenient theory to lob around LG, but it isn't true in the least. Why? Because Paul George and OKC would have been in on the shenanigans as well to make your theory true. Clippers gave up 5 first round picks and a very good young guard for PG. In a vacuum, it's a trade they do not make because it's a terrible trade. Clips tried to land two max guys (one being KL), this was their distant plan B. But it's still a good one because they're prob the best team in the NBA.
That had nothing to do with conspiring against the Lakers, who also could have punted on KL pursuit early and gone after better players. Clippers also did a much better job selling themselves to KL all year. Let me see. Former micorsoft exec billionare owner with Lee Jenkins, Jerry West and Doc Rivers in a room versus Botox head and closet sociopath Rob Pelinka? Which would you pick?
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