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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Ted wrote: | Can we just copy and paste our responses from the other mass shooting thread to this one? Nothing will change.
BTW that's three in a row. I have a feeling this isn't over yet. Somewhere out there is a young white "disturbed" male browsing internet hate sites/8chan, consuming youtube videos, reading and absorbing hate into his veins, and waiting to outdo the last guy. Just browse one of those sites and see the kind of things they say. It's bizarro world. The next mass shooter has already made his plans. |
Sadly, this is probably true. We passed the point of no return about ten years ago, possibly longer. There is no realistic path to changing the gun culture in the US, other than generational shifts that will take about half a century. As for the 4chan, 8chan, whatever culture, that's a social media phenomenon (at least, at this sort of magnitude). We have reached the mind-blowing point at which people are actually talking other people into committing suicide over the internet. Social media may not have invented this sort of madness, but it cranked the volume up to 11. |
Sort of like Trump?
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| DancingBarry wrote: | Really amazing that the police took the shooter out within 30 seconds of the first shot. He had a 100-round high capacity mag. Glad he didn’t have 3 more minutes. But, hey, can’t ban those mags.
40- to 100-round mags sales are only gaining steam. Glad we are adding more of those into the system. What could go wrong?  |
Might as well let civilians use machine guns.
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| Jerry still gonna accept the medal of freedom from Trump? I hope he has more sense |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Ted wrote: | Can we just copy and paste our responses from the other mass shooting thread to this one? Nothing will change.
BTW that's three in a row. I have a feeling this isn't over yet. Somewhere out there is a young white "disturbed" male browsing internet hate sites/8chan, consuming youtube videos, reading and absorbing hate into his veins, and waiting to outdo the last guy. Just browse one of those sites and see the kind of things they say. It's bizarro world. The next mass shooter has already made his plans. |
Sadly, this is probably true. We passed the point of no return about ten years ago, possibly longer. There is no realistic path to changing the gun culture in the US, other than generational shifts that will take about half a century. As for the 4chan, 8chan, whatever culture, that's a social media phenomenon (at least, at this sort of magnitude). We have reached the mind-blowing point at which people are actually talking other people into committing suicide over the internet. Social media may not have invented this sort of madness, but it cranked the volume up to 11. |
Sort of like Trump? |
Sorta like that, but additionally exactly like. And I’m sure our “fellow” Democrat AH agrees. 
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Aeneas Hunter
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Sort of like Trump? |
No, much worse. As I said in the other thread, Trump may ride the same wave, but he isn’t the wave. |
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Omar Little
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Sort of like Trump? |
No, much worse. As I said in the other thread, Trump may ride the same wave, but he isn’t the wave. |
I get what you’re saying, but he’s a powerful accelerant and normalizer of this stuff. He’s made it cool for them to “come out”, and he and his people know that’s the seat of his power. He’s like a cult leader.
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Omar Little
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Trumpism has always been the underpinning of the American conservative culture. Reagan figures out how to fuse it to evangelical and corporatism, and the GOP has been honing the dog whistle for years. Trump just brought it out of the closet. AH is correct it was already there. He just doesn’t connect the nexus of a black President and then a sociopathic conman bringing it all out in a surge.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Sort of like Trump? |
No, much worse. As I said in the other thread, Trump may ride the same wave, but he isn’t the wave. |
I think the words and actions of the President of the United States carries more weight than social media (specifically 4chan and 8chan).
If social media didn't exist. Would you blame cable news? If cable news didn't exist, would you blame print media?
This isn't a chicken vs. egg scenario.
I don't appreciate people doing backfilps to minimize Trump's impact in this scenario. Social media isn't the new variable. Trump is.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Sort of like Trump? |
No, much worse. As I said in the other thread, Trump may ride the same wave, but he isn’t the wave. |
I get what you’re saying, but he’s a powerful accelerant and normalizer of this stuff. He’s made it cool for them to “come out”, and he and his people know that’s the seat of his power. He’s like a cult leader. |
He is a cult leader. If he tells them to take up arms and “defend” the border they will. Like the El Paso guy. He's given them validation for their hate and violence against nonwhites.
The chicken has come home to roost for the GOP. Support a madman and you've got his goons shooting up people. They’ve gone in hiding when the sh*t has hit the fan. But this will be their legacy. Im not sure if there is any stopping the radicalism of the right at this point. TrumpsTerrorists have replaced Al Qaeda. |
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i just got done reading a thread full of conservatives who maintain to this day that barack obama was the most intentionally divisive president re: race
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Trumpism has always been the underpinning of the American conservative culture. Reagan figures out how to fuse it to evangelical and corporatism, and the GOP has been honing the dog whistle for years. Trump just brought it out of the closet. AH is correct it was already there. He just doesn’t connect the nexus of a black President and then a sociopathic conman bringing it all out in a surge. |
Like antisemitism has always been present in Germany since the 16th century (Martin Luther was a fervent anti-Semite). It just needed a state (Hitler and the Nazis) for the Germans to act out their "eliminationist anti-semitism".
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | Let me simplify this for you:
| Quote: | stochastic terrorism[ stuh-kas-tik ter-uh-riz-uh m ]SHOW IPA
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the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted. |
No conspiracy theories necessary, just one's own eyes and ears. Trump is responsible for inflaming these people. He does it every single day with his tweets and words and policies. |
Yes, I realize that this is the latest left wing obsession/meme. It is supported by massive amounts of research and scholarship . . . er, wait, actually it isn't. It's just some fancy sounding jargon that someone pulled out of their posterior. Oops. But at least it lets people sound smart and educated, when in reality they are just engaging in partisan chest pounding.
You probably ought to pack up this BS and talk about it in The Political Thread. Everyone will agree with you there. Out here, people are going to notice that you're posting this garbage about Trump in a thread about a shooting that has no apparent connection to Trump or politics, unless you think that Trump was demonizing this guy's sister. |
Same old AH. |
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Oh look, the leftist rag the Washington Post is making similar connections (including scholars, historians, and presidential candidates):
Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric looms over El Paso massacre
| Quote: | “How do you stop these people? You can’t,” Trump lamented at a May rally in Panama City Beach, Fla. Someone in the crowd yelled back one idea: “Shoot them.” The audience of thousands cheered and Trump smiled. Shrugging off the suggestion, he quipped, “Only in the Panhandle can you get away with that statement.”
On Saturday, a 21-year-old white man entered a shopping center in El Paso, according to police, and allegedly decided to “shoot them.” Inside a crowded Walmart in a vibrant border city visited daily by thousands of Mexicans, a late-morning back-to-school shopping scene turned into a pool of blood. Twenty people died, and dozens were wounded. |
| Quote: | Authorities in El Paso have not announced a motive in what they call an act of domestic terrorism, but at the center of their investigation is an anti-immigrant manifesto. Officials believe the shooter posted it shortly before he opened fire but continue to investigate.
Patrick Crusius has been named as the suspect.
Portions of the 2,300-word essay, titled “The Inconvenient Truth,” closely mirror Trump’s rhetoric, as well as the language of the white nationalist movement, including a warning about the “Hispanic invasion of Texas.”
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| Quote: | Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a professor of history at New York University and expert on authoritarianism, said Trump has been strategic.
“This is a concerted attempt to construct and legitimize an ideology of hatred against nonwhite people and the idea that whites will be replaced by others,” she said. “When you have a racist in power who incites violence through his speeches, his tweets, and you add in this volatile situation of very laxly regulated arms, this is uncharted territory.” |
| Quote: | Leonard Zeskind, author of “Blood and Politics,” a history of the white nationalist movement, said the ugliest phenomena often develop in countries when there is a vacuum of moral leadership. Zeskind explained that white nationalism is autonomous from any political formation, but that Trump energizes its followers.
“He gives it voice. He’s their megaphone,” Zeskind said. He added, “Donald Trump, dumping on immigrants all the time, creates an atmosphere where some people interpret that to be an okay sign for violence against immigrants.” |
You can't separate gun violence done by white supremacists from politics. And you can't separate Trump from the conditions in this country that have accelerated white supremacist violence. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | Let me simplify this for you:
| Quote: | stochastic terrorism[ stuh-kas-tik ter-uh-riz-uh m ]SHOW IPA
noun
the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted. |
No conspiracy theories necessary, just one's own eyes and ears. Trump is responsible for inflaming these people. He does it every single day with his tweets and words and policies. |
Yes, I realize that this is the latest left wing obsession/meme. It is supported by massive amounts of research and scholarship . . . er, wait, actually it isn't. It's just some fancy sounding jargon that someone pulled out of their posterior. Oops. But at least it lets people sound smart and educated, when in reality they are just engaging in partisan chest pounding.
You probably ought to pack up this BS and talk about it in The Political Thread. Everyone will agree with you there. Out here, people are going to notice that you're posting this garbage about Trump in a thread about a shooting that has no apparent connection to Trump or politics, unless you think that Trump was demonizing this guy's sister. |
Same old AH. |
Same old CL. Again, you really should take this stuff to The Political Thread. You're just going to get triggered here. Just look at all the people from your Squad taking shots at me, including you. Same as it ever was. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Just look at all the people from your Squad taking shots at me, including you. Same as it ever was. |
And the real victim from these tragedies is revealed.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | Oh look, the leftist rag the Washington Post is making similar connections (including scholars, historians, and presidential candidates): |
Scholars? So you get some hyper-liberal academic who tells the WaPo what you what you want to hear, and it becomes truth. Of course, they are basing it on their extensive, peer reviewed research. Oh, wait, they aren't. They're just talking out of their posteriors, once again. I just ran a quick search on Ruth Ben-Ghiat, the first of the "scholars" listed in your quote. The Twitter feed is sort of comical, including a claim that ICE is a fascist paramilitary for Trump.
If that rocks your boat, great. From the perspective of people outside the bubble, it's just more drivel from the elitist left. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Just look at all the people from your Squad taking shots at me, including you. Same as it ever was. |
And the real victim from these tragedies is revealed. |
That didn't take long, did it? Here comes the wolf pack. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Just look at all the people from your Squad taking shots at me, including you. Same as it ever was. |
And the real victim from these tragedies is revealed. |
That didn't take long, did it? Here comes the wolf pack. |
Consensus is bad. We get it. You're the lone beacon of truth in a world full of lies.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Trumpism has always been the underpinning of the American conservative culture. Reagan figures out how to fuse it to evangelical and corporatism, and the GOP has been honing the dog whistle for years. Trump just brought it out of the closet. AH is correct it was already there. He just doesn’t connect the nexus of a black President and then a sociopathic conman bringing it all out in a surge. |
No, I think you are projecting your political predispositions to a specific incident in El Paso. Does Trump "fan the flames of the right"? Duh, of course he does. The error you make is connecting this to one particular guy. There is a desire -- really a desperation -- to blame Trump for the shooting. We can see that in the ridiculous Twitter piece that CL posted. Someone went through the manifesto looking for words that are similar to something Trump (or whoever) said over the last few years. It's just stupid. I was hearing people complain about Hispanic invasion of Texas back in the 1970s (actually, it was more likely that people said "Mexican" back then.) And I sure haven't heard Trump rail against the evils of corporations, the failure of Republican party and the existential threat of automation. Wow, maybe that lunatic wasn't just a puppet for Trump! |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Just look at all the people from your Squad taking shots at me, including you. Same as it ever was. |
And the real victim from these tragedies is revealed. |
That didn't take long, did it? Here comes the wolf pack. |
Consensus is bad. We get it. You're the lone beacon of truth in a world full of lies. |
Consensus? Are you actually serious? You snowflakes do not represent a consensus, even in the Democratic Party. You just yell at everyone like your patron saint Bernie, or your look down your noses at people. You pat yourselves on the back because you've racked up so many woke points. Then you try to figure out why you don't actually get your way on anything, outside of a message board where the mods back you up. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Consensus? Are you actually serious? You snowflakes do not represent a consensus, even in the Democratic Party. You just yell at everyone like your patron saint Bernie, or your look down your noses at people. You pat yourselves on the back because you've racked up so many woke points. Then you try to figure out why you don't actually get your way on anything, outside of a message board where the mods back you up. |
Damn your usage of the words "snowflakes", "woke points", "saint Bernie" makes for an extremely convincing and objective analysis. I can now see why we should listen to your analysis instead of Pulitzer prize winning publications.
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| Quote: | Poll: Americans Fear Heated Politics Rhetoric Could Spark Violence
The poll found that 78% of Americans think heated or aggressive language from elected officials could encourage violence. |
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-07-19/americans-fear-heated-politics-rhetoric-could-spark-violence-poll
Consensus. Predating these most recent attacks.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Consensus? Are you actually serious? You snowflakes do not represent a consensus, even in the Democratic Party. You just yell at everyone like your patron saint Bernie, or your look down your noses at people. You pat yourselves on the back because you've racked up so many woke points. Then you try to figure out why you don't actually get your way on anything, outside of a message board where the mods back you up. |
Damn your usage of the words "woke points", "saint Bernie", and your persecution complex makes for an extremely convincing and objective analysis. I can now see why we should listen to your analysis instead of Pulitzer prize winning publications. |
Oh, boo hoo. Go ahead, read your “Pulitzer prize winning publications” if it makes you feel better about yourself. If that fails, you know the Huff Post has your back. |
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