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Penalties killing Chiefs
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That Bucs/Colts score is awfully familiar of course it was the reverse of the Monday Night Miracle..
And we play an angry Saints team next week where Brees can pass Peyton in TD's next week. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | Penalties killing Chiefs |
In the end, it was the penalties and scores that weren't called on the Chiefs that killed the Pats.
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| Pats ran out of challenges which could've probably resulted in a W. |
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kind of weird that the rule is that all scoring plays are reviewable yet only in one direction, right (i.e., only if it was called a score on the field)? or am I missing something
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| Basketball Fan wrote: | | That Bucs/Colts score is awfully familiar of course it was the reverse of the Monday Night Miracle. |
crazy thing is Winston was responsible for most of the 73 points |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | kind of weird that the rule is that all scoring plays are reviewable yet only in one direction, right (i.e., only if it was called a score on the field)? or am I missing something |
They review plays that were called scoring plays on the field. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | kind of weird that the rule is that all scoring plays are reviewable yet only in one direction, right (i.e., only if it was called a score on the field)? or am I missing something |
Well, to play devil's advocate, how would it be applied the other way? A play is either a scoring or non-scoring play right?
Unless they come up with a third outcome called "possible scoring plays"
Then they could apply it to tonight's call where the player was ruled to have stepped out of bounds but if not, he "possibly could have scored"
You also have the same issue with turnovers being automatically reviewed but "almost turnovers" are not. |
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| Russell Wilson is really good. I am just wondering how come he hasn't won more than one superbowl ring. |
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PHILosophize
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exactly
I think they need "possible scoring play" and "possible turnover" categories
haven't thought about it enough to come up with the specifics but at this point with so much review I think that gamechanging plays like that should be reviewable irregardless of whether the team has challenges left
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| PHILosophize wrote: | exactly
I think they need "possible scoring play" and "possible turnover" categories
haven't thought about it enough to come up with the specifics but at this point with so much review I think that gamechanging plays like that should be reviewable irregardless of whether the team has challenges left |
great, you are thinking of additional reasons to use replay |
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| adkindo wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | exactly
I think they need "possible scoring play" and "possible turnover" categories
haven't thought about it enough to come up with the specifics but at this point with so much review I think that gamechanging plays like that should be reviewable irregardless of whether the team has challenges left |
great, you are thinking of additional reasons to use replay |
how about this
we add those two categories but no more coaches challenges
that way the important stuff gets reviewed and the less important stuff doesn't
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | exactly
I think they need "possible scoring play" and "possible turnover" categories
haven't thought about it enough to come up with the specifics but at this point with so much review I think that gamechanging plays like that should be reviewable irregardless of whether the team has challenges left |
great, you are thinking of additional reasons to use replay |
how about this
we add those two categories but no more coaches challenges
that way the important stuff gets reviewed and the less important stuff doesn't |
Now we're back to the problem we had last playoffs when the Saints fought so hard to get a pass interference challenge.
Now we'll lose those (unless it's a possible scoring play).
And then you have the debate - aren't all pass interference calls possible scoring plays?
Or only pass interference in the end zone are possible scoring plays?
What if a guy is running wide open at the 5 yd line and gets grabbed to prevent a TD reception? |
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one coaches challenge but it can only be used in the 4th quarter
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| PHILosophize wrote: | one coaches challenge but it can only be used in the 4th quarter
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It gets complicated trying to come up with a good solution. |
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it really does 
I mean if it were up to me I would just get rid of 100% of replay but obviously that's not going to happen
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Seahawks with yet another break. They are going to have to actually capitalize on one of them.
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I love how physical Baltimore is on both sides of the ball.
Jackson is great of course, but guys like Mark Ingram are running over people also.
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| ksmgf wrote: | | Russell Wilson is really good. I am just wondering how come he hasn't won more than one superbowl ring. |
Despite the Pats making it look easy its actually quite hard to get to the SB let alone win one.
Some don't even get that. |
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| Basketball Fan wrote: | | ksmgf wrote: | | Russell Wilson is really good. I am just wondering how come he hasn't won more than one superbowl ring. |
Despite the Pats making it look easy its actually quite hard to get to the SB let alone win one.
Some don't even get that. |
Yep. Though he'd have 2 if not for Pete Carroll's play calling.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Basketball Fan wrote: | | ksmgf wrote: | | Russell Wilson is really good. I am just wondering how come he hasn't won more than one superbowl ring. |
Despite the Pats making it look easy its actually quite hard to get to the SB let alone win one.
Some don't even get that. |
Yep. Though he'd have 2 if not for Pete Carroll's play calling. |
To be fair, Russell is the one who threw the ball. |
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At the question of it being alleged a Patriots official had a videographer filming the Bengals sideline from the press box on Sunday, Zac Taylor had no comment only saying he was "aware there was an incident" and "the league was investigating it," but had no comment.
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| loslakersss wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Basketball Fan wrote: | | ksmgf wrote: | | Russell Wilson is really good. I am just wondering how come he hasn't won more than one superbowl ring. |
Despite the Pats making it look easy its actually quite hard to get to the SB let alone win one.
Some don't even get that. |
Yep. Though he'd have 2 if not for Pete Carroll's play calling. |
To be fair, Russell is the one who threw the ball. |
To be fair ask yourself, would you have made the call for a pass from the 1 yard line with Beast Mode in the backfield? In that offer would you say Pete Carroll's play calling may be the reason Wilson doesn't have 2 rings?
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| jodeke wrote: | | loslakersss wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Basketball Fan wrote: | | ksmgf wrote: | | Russell Wilson is really good. I am just wondering how come he hasn't won more than one superbowl ring. |
Despite the Pats making it look easy its actually quite hard to get to the SB let alone win one.
Some don't even get that. |
Yep. Though he'd have 2 if not for Pete Carroll's play calling. |
To be fair, Russell is the one who threw the ball. |
To be fair ask yourself, would you have made the call for a pass from the 1 yard line with Beast Mode in the backfield? In that offer would you say Pete Carroll's play calling may be the reason Wilson doesn't have 2 rings? |
In the moment (and immediately afterwards) I thought a run was the obvious, no-brainer option. But when looking at the history (below for reference) and anticipating what the opponent was expecting I thought it was a great play call to throw it - just not into the middle where it was congested.
| Quote: | | Among 39 running backs with at least 10 carries from the 1-yard line in the past five seasons (including playoffs), Lynch’s touchdown percentage (45 percent) ranks 30th. Also consider that this season, Lynch scored a touchdown on 1-of-5 rushes from the 1-yard line. |
The thing is we're judging the decision-making based of the result, not the actual decision. Had the result been favorable then Pete would be hailed a genius for outwitting Belichick. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | loslakersss wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Basketball Fan wrote: | | ksmgf wrote: | | Russell Wilson is really good. I am just wondering how come he hasn't won more than one superbowl ring. |
Despite the Pats making it look easy its actually quite hard to get to the SB let alone win one.
Some don't even get that. |
Yep. Though he'd have 2 if not for Pete Carroll's play calling. |
To be fair, Russell is the one who threw the ball. |
To be fair ask yourself, would you have made the call for a pass from the 1 yard line with Beast Mode in the backfield? In that offer would you say Pete Carroll's play calling may be the reason Wilson doesn't have 2 rings? |
It was 2nd and goal with 25 seconds left. If Wilson just throws an incompletion, they still would have had 3rd and goal with 20 seconds left.
So, at most, Carroll's play calling cost them a chance to score a TD on 2nd and goal. Wilson's INT cost them a chance at having 3rd and goal and 4th and goal.
Carroll has explained that with only 25 seconds left, if they run on 2nd and fail, they have to use their last remaining TO. That means NE would have the edge on 3rd down knowing they needed to throw.
On 2nd down, NE didn't know if they were going to throw or not. So, by throwing, even if it's an incomplete, they would still have a TO and still could run on 3rd down.
That's his explanation/strategy. It makes sense to me. Gotta fault the QB for throwing an INT there.
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