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| lesluthor wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | Unless the US stops trading with China, then there is no reason to leave the responsibility on the NBA or expect any businesses to stand with HK. Do we feel that morally superior? That our constitution is the creme de la creme and every other country should be like us? Have our political system, our way of life and thinking? This all sounds familiar in history.
Funny to me Trump poked fun of Kerr and Pop because it starts at the top. If we really want to stand with HK, then America and Trump has to come out and say it, so that all hell can really break loose. But that's not the case, is it? Our government dances around these issues when they deal with China because it's complicated and delicate. Yet we expect the NBA to put the smack down on China and stand with HK? This whole thing makes no sense. |
Every human should have the right to speak freely without fear of torture or imprisonment. Yet the only constitution in the world which protects this freedom is our own. So yeah..in this we have moral high ground.
China’s government is oppressive and vile. How can anyone suggest otherwise? |
This kind of thinking is the reason why America is in conflict with a lot of countries. Americans project their culture to others, demand everyone follow suit and stand from a moral high horse.
We have to understand each country has its own set of cultures framed by their own histories. Some beliefs may seem strange to us, but we have no right to condemn or interfere.
We say China is vile, yet it is America that has 6000 nuclear warheads, holding the world by its throat. We say China is oppressive yet it is America that destroyed Iraq and killed thousands due an accusation of WMDs that was actually proven false.
Let the players play. Leave China and its internal issues for their own politicians to solve. |
1) 1949 wasn't too long ago. How old is Socialism with Chinese characteristics? How influential was (Western) Marxism-Leninism on Maoism?
2) Rich autocrats seem to have a lot of overlap the world over throughout world history. Xi's just another president for life who uses anti-corruption campaigns to purge his political rivals while his cronies get fat off corruption everyone in power turns a blind eye to. But I'm sure that's reflective of long-held, deep-seated sociocultural norms inscrutable to anyone not Chinese.
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Baron Von Humongous
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| TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | lesluthor wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | Unless the US stops trading with China, then there is no reason to leave the responsibility on the NBA or expect any businesses to stand with HK. Do we feel that morally superior? That our constitution is the creme de la creme and every other country should be like us? Have our political system, our way of life and thinking? This all sounds familiar in history.
Funny to me Trump poked fun of Kerr and Pop because it starts at the top. If we really want to stand with HK, then America and Trump has to come out and say it, so that all hell can really break loose. But that's not the case, is it? Our government dances around these issues when they deal with China because it's complicated and delicate. Yet we expect the NBA to put the smack down on China and stand with HK? This whole thing makes no sense. |
Every human should have the right to speak freely without fear of torture or imprisonment. Yet the only constitution in the world which protects this freedom is our own. So yeah..in this we have moral high ground.
China’s government is oppressive and vile. How can anyone suggest otherwise? |
This kind of thinking is the reason why America is in conflict with a lot of countries. Americans project their culture to others, demand everyone follow suit and stand from a moral high horse.
We have to understand each country has its own set of cultures framed by their own histories. Some beliefs may seem strange to us, but we have no right to condemn or interfere.
We say China is vile, yet it is America that has 6000 nuclear warheads, holding the world by its throat. We say China is oppressive yet it is America that destroyed Iraq and killed thousands due an accusation of WMDs that was actually proven false.
Let the players play. Leave China and its internal issues for their own politicians to solve. |
Sounds like you want to stand on your own moral high horse, not that I approve of the Iraq war one iota. But that's not the subject here and defending free speech is a far different topic, unless by projection you're insinuating nobody has a right to an opinion because Iraq.
This all started when one guy tweeted his opinion on a subject. Yes it was touchy and the timing was stupid, but the overreaction is childish. Do you really think defending an American's right to have an opinion equals projecting power and demanding others follow suite? It's actually the reverse. China doesn't want someone in America who works for an NBA team to have free speech on a subject they don't approve of, and they are the one projecting economic power to silence him.
Get off your own moral high horse, and if you're ready to talk about free speech, talk about it. In the meantime a basketball discussion would actually be nice. |
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| TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | lesluthor wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | Unless the US stops trading with China, then there is no reason to leave the responsibility on the NBA or expect any businesses to stand with HK. Do we feel that morally superior? That our constitution is the creme de la creme and every other country should be like us? Have our political system, our way of life and thinking? This all sounds familiar in history.
Funny to me Trump poked fun of Kerr and Pop because it starts at the top. If we really want to stand with HK, then America and Trump has to come out and say it, so that all hell can really break loose. But that's not the case, is it? Our government dances around these issues when they deal with China because it's complicated and delicate. Yet we expect the NBA to put the smack down on China and stand with HK? This whole thing makes no sense. |
Every human should have the right to speak freely without fear of torture or imprisonment. Yet the only constitution in the world which protects this freedom is our own. So yeah..in this we have moral high ground.
China’s government is oppressive and vile. How can anyone suggest otherwise? |
This kind of thinking is the reason why America is in conflict with a lot of countries. Americans project their culture to others, demand everyone follow suit and stand from a moral high horse.
We have to understand each country has its own set of cultures framed by their own histories. Some beliefs may seem strange to us, but we have no right to condemn or interfere.
We say China is vile, yet it is America that has 6000 nuclear warheads, holding the world by its throat. We say China is oppressive yet it is America that destroyed Iraq and killed thousands due an accusation of WMDs that was actually proven false.
Let the players play. Leave China and its internal issues for their own politicians to solve. |
Sounds like you want to stand on your own moral high horse, not that I approve of the Iraq war one iota. But that's not the subject here and defending free speech is a far different topic, unless by projection you're insinuating nobody has a right to an opinion because Iraq.
This all started when one guy tweeted his opinion on a subject. Yes it was touchy and the timing was stupid, but the overreaction is childish. Do you really think defending an American's right to have an opinion equals projecting power and demanding others follow suite? It's actually the reverse. China doesn't want someone in America who works for an NBA team to have free speech on a subject they don't approve of, and they are the one projecting economic power to silence him.
Get off your own moral high horse, and if you're ready to talk about free speech, talk about it. In the meantime a basketball discussion would actually be nice. |
Again, that is the American point of view. What do Chinese mainlanders think about it? Even Yao Ming was livid about the tweet and he was a former Houston Rocket. If I was Chinese, I would not like it as well if some American thinks he is qualified to comment on a sensitive national issue that he has no business poking his nose at.
I am not riding on a moral high horse, I just respect the fact that every country should have solve their own political issues free from interference from outside.
Iraq?Syria? Venezuela? China? Russia? Philippines? Somalia? Iran?Cuba? The list goes on and on. America keeps on poking their noses in places they have no right to be in. |
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| lesluthor wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | lesluthor wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | Unless the US stops trading with China, then there is no reason to leave the responsibility on the NBA or expect any businesses to stand with HK. Do we feel that morally superior? That our constitution is the creme de la creme and every other country should be like us? Have our political system, our way of life and thinking? This all sounds familiar in history.
Funny to me Trump poked fun of Kerr and Pop because it starts at the top. If we really want to stand with HK, then America and Trump has to come out and say it, so that all hell can really break loose. But that's not the case, is it? Our government dances around these issues when they deal with China because it's complicated and delicate. Yet we expect the NBA to put the smack down on China and stand with HK? This whole thing makes no sense. |
Every human should have the right to speak freely without fear of torture or imprisonment. Yet the only constitution in the world which protects this freedom is our own. So yeah..in this we have moral high ground.
China’s government is oppressive and vile. How can anyone suggest otherwise? |
This kind of thinking is the reason why America is in conflict with a lot of countries. Americans project their culture to others, demand everyone follow suit and stand from a moral high horse.
We have to understand each country has its own set of cultures framed by their own histories. Some beliefs may seem strange to us, but we have no right to condemn or interfere.
We say China is vile, yet it is America that has 6000 nuclear warheads, holding the world by its throat. We say China is oppressive yet it is America that destroyed Iraq and killed thousands due an accusation of WMDs that was actually proven false.
Let the players play. Leave China and its internal issues for their own politicians to solve. |
Sounds like you want to stand on your own moral high horse, not that I approve of the Iraq war one iota. But that's not the subject here and defending free speech is a far different topic, unless by projection you're insinuating nobody has a right to an opinion because Iraq.
This all started when one guy tweeted his opinion on a subject. Yes it was touchy and the timing was stupid, but the overreaction is childish. Do you really think defending an American's right to have an opinion equals projecting power and demanding others follow suite? It's actually the reverse. China doesn't want someone in America who works for an NBA team to have free speech on a subject they don't approve of, and they are the one projecting economic power to silence him.
Get off your own moral high horse, and if you're ready to talk about free speech, talk about it. In the meantime a basketball discussion would actually be nice. |
Again, that is the American point of view. What do Chinese mainlanders think about it? Even Yao Ming was livid about the tweet and he was a former Houston Rocket. If I was Chinese, I would not like it as well if some American thinks he is qualified to comment on a sensitive national issue that he has no business poking his nose at.
I am not riding on a moral high horse, I just respect the fact that every country should have solve their own political issues free from interference from outside.
Iraq?Syria? Venezuela? China? Russia? Philippines? Somalia? Iran?Cuba? The list goes on and on. America keeps on poking their noses in places they have no right to be in. |
Just as you're poking your nose in a topic about some American guy who expressed his own opinion, in America, in medium not even accessible by the Chinese public. Then bringing up your resentment about other topics American to justify your criticism.
Fwiw I'd love it if we could stop playing world cop. That money is better spent on health care, colleges, infrastructure. That has nothing to do with Morey's tweet or with the Lakers playing NBA games in China, nor does it have anything to do with addressing anyone's concerns about free speech.
Morey didn't interfere with China, neither did America by allowing him the freedom to express his opinion. |
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| TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | lesluthor wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | lesluthor wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | Unless the US stops trading with China, then there is no reason to leave the responsibility on the NBA or expect any businesses to stand with HK. Do we feel that morally superior? That our constitution is the creme de la creme and every other country should be like us? Have our political system, our way of life and thinking? This all sounds familiar in history.
Funny to me Trump poked fun of Kerr and Pop because it starts at the top. If we really want to stand with HK, then America and Trump has to come out and say it, so that all hell can really break loose. But that's not the case, is it? Our government dances around these issues when they deal with China because it's complicated and delicate. Yet we expect the NBA to put the smack down on China and stand with HK? This whole thing makes no sense. |
Every human should have the right to speak freely without fear of torture or imprisonment. Yet the only constitution in the world which protects this freedom is our own. So yeah..in this we have moral high ground.
China’s government is oppressive and vile. How can anyone suggest otherwise? |
This kind of thinking is the reason why America is in conflict with a lot of countries. Americans project their culture to others, demand everyone follow suit and stand from a moral high horse.
We have to understand each country has its own set of cultures framed by their own histories. Some beliefs may seem strange to us, but we have no right to condemn or interfere.
We say China is vile, yet it is America that has 6000 nuclear warheads, holding the world by its throat. We say China is oppressive yet it is America that destroyed Iraq and killed thousands due an accusation of WMDs that was actually proven false.
Let the players play. Leave China and its internal issues for their own politicians to solve. |
Sounds like you want to stand on your own moral high horse, not that I approve of the Iraq war one iota. But that's not the subject here and defending free speech is a far different topic, unless by projection you're insinuating nobody has a right to an opinion because Iraq.
This all started when one guy tweeted his opinion on a subject. Yes it was touchy and the timing was stupid, but the overreaction is childish. Do you really think defending an American's right to have an opinion equals projecting power and demanding others follow suite? It's actually the reverse. China doesn't want someone in America who works for an NBA team to have free speech on a subject they don't approve of, and they are the one projecting economic power to silence him.
Get off your own moral high horse, and if you're ready to talk about free speech, talk about it. In the meantime a basketball discussion would actually be nice. |
Again, that is the American point of view. What do Chinese mainlanders think about it? Even Yao Ming was livid about the tweet and he was a former Houston Rocket. If I was Chinese, I would not like it as well if some American thinks he is qualified to comment on a sensitive national issue that he has no business poking his nose at.
I am not riding on a moral high horse, I just respect the fact that every country should have solve their own political issues free from interference from outside.
Iraq?Syria? Venezuela? China? Russia? Philippines? Somalia? Iran?Cuba? The list goes on and on. America keeps on poking their noses in places they have no right to be in. |
Just as you're poking your nose in a topic about some American guy who expressed his own opinion, in America, in medium not even accessible by the Chinese public. Then bringing up your resentment about other topics American to justify your criticism.
Fwiw I'd love it if we could stop playing world cop. That money is better spent on health care, colleges, infrastructure. That has nothing to do with Morey's tweet or with the Lakers playing NBA games in China, nor does it have anything to do with addressing anyone's concerns about free speech.
Morey didn't interfere with China, neither did America by allowing him the freedom to express his opinion. |
we are still at this AFTER the game?
gee, sorry, but morey did interfere.
he has a corporate position of influence and statue, and thus has an impact on others with his tweet.
if he is a nobody, then people would not be upset to this degree.
that is why corporate officials are really careful with what they say publicly because it reflects on their company.
with power comes responsibility and liability. |
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| TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | China doesn't want someone in America who works for an NBA team to have free speech on a subject they don't approve of |
China is basically boycotting a company which they perceive has released an offensive statement through one of its high ranking executive. Isn't that within their rights?
How are they curtailing freedom of speech? Morey or anyone in the NBA are still free to tweet whatever they want against china. Instead Morey deleted the tweet and has since apologized.
If you wanna be upset then be upset at these corporations that are bending over to china. Exactly zero employees of the NBA, Apple and Blizzard(in the US) have lost their freedom of speech. Money and greed is what's silencing them than it is China. |
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| 3baller wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | China doesn't want someone in America who works for an NBA team to have free speech on a subject they don't approve of |
China is basically boycotting a company which they perceive has released an offensive statement through one of its high ranking executive. Isn't that within their rights?
How are they curtailing freedom of speech? Morey or anyone in the NBA are still free to tweet whatever they want against china. Instead Morey deleted the tweet and has since apologized.
If you wanna be upset then be upset at these corporations that are bending over to china. Exactly zero employees of the NBA, Apple and Blizzard(in the US) have lost their freedom of speech. Money and greed is what's silencing them than it is China. |
it is hard for everyone to adjust when you are used to be the top dog, and now there is another contender.
it is not easy to do, but most companies learned to deal with it.
somebody used the phrase, Thucydides Trap, to describe this situation.
it describes how when a new power rises, and there is always war between the rising power and the existing power.
hopefully it is only economic warfare and not real warfare. |
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| 3baller wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | China doesn't want someone in America who works for an NBA team to have free speech on a subject they don't approve of |
China is basically boycotting a company which they perceive has released an offensive statement through one of its high ranking executive. Isn't that within their rights?
How are they curtailing freedom of speech? Morey or anyone in the NBA are still free to tweet whatever they want against china. Instead Morey deleted the tweet and has since apologized.
If you wanna be upset then be upset at these corporations that are bending over to china. Exactly zero employees of the NBA, Apple and Blizzard(in the US) have lost their freedom of speech. Money and greed is what's silencing them than it is China. |
Why does the Chinese government feel the need to boycott a private sports league over the Tweet of a private individual?
Should the U.S. (under a non-insane administration) lead boycotts against the CBA playing preseason games in the U.S. if Yao Ming tweets that America is oppressing the colonized people of Puerto Rico who deserve national sovereignty?
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | 3baller wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | China doesn't want someone in America who works for an NBA team to have free speech on a subject they don't approve of |
China is basically boycotting a company which they perceive has released an offensive statement through one of its high ranking executive. Isn't that within their rights?
How are they curtailing freedom of speech? Morey or anyone in the NBA are still free to tweet whatever they want against china. Instead Morey deleted the tweet and has since apologized.
If you wanna be upset then be upset at these corporations that are bending over to china. Exactly zero employees of the NBA, Apple and Blizzard(in the US) have lost their freedom of speech. Money and greed is what's silencing them than it is China. |
Why does the Chinese government feel the need to boycott a private sports league over the Tweet of a private individual?
Should the U.S. (under a non-insane administration) lead boycotts against the CBA playing preseason games in the U.S. if Yao Ming tweets that America is oppressing the colonized people of Puerto Rico who deserve national sovereignty? |
because the Chinese govt can and has the financial leverage. This is not about right or wrong, morally The Chinese govt is wrong |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | 3baller wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | China doesn't want someone in America who works for an NBA team to have free speech on a subject they don't approve of |
China is basically boycotting a company which they perceive has released an offensive statement through one of its high ranking executive. Isn't that within their rights?
How are they curtailing freedom of speech? Morey or anyone in the NBA are still free to tweet whatever they want against china. Instead Morey deleted the tweet and has since apologized.
If you wanna be upset then be upset at these corporations that are bending over to china. Exactly zero employees of the NBA, Apple and Blizzard(in the US) have lost their freedom of speech. Money and greed is what's silencing them than it is China. |
Why does the Chinese government feel the need to boycott a private sports league over the Tweet of a private individual?
Should the U.S. (under a non-insane administration) lead boycotts against the CBA playing preseason games in the U.S. if Yao Ming tweets that America is oppressing the colonized people of Puerto Rico who deserve national sovereignty? |
as far as china is concerned, hong kong is the biggest threat to their national unity in the last 50 years. furthermore, it is not simple protests but it is basically a mini-civil war going on right now. anything that somebody does which could be significantly increase the support of the protesters is a major problem for china.
this is nothing like the us 'oppressing' puerto rico, and many americans probably would be very happy to let puerto rico go independent to reduce the tax burden from having to financially support the island. |
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Wow, this is chilling. The NBA minder shuts down CNN's question here and refuses to let the players answer it. Not only are they acting as China's censors for their employees, they're now bringing China's suppression of the critical press to our shores. |
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1182309829538467840
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Quote: | (((Yair Rosenberg)))
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Wow, this is chilling. The NBA minder shuts down CNN's question here and refuses to let the players answer it. Not only are they acting as China's censors for their employees, they're now bringing China's suppression of the critical press to our shores. |
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1182309829538467840 |
This is the position of US government also, why is it chilling or surprising? |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Quote: | (((Yair Rosenberg)))
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Wow, this is chilling. The NBA minder shuts down CNN's question here and refuses to let the players answer it. Not only are they acting as China's censors for their employees, they're now bringing China's suppression of the critical press to our shores. |
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1182309829538467840 |
It kind of makes sense in a way, because the NBA has 2 teams over there right now. If a simple tweet from a team's GM can cause this much of a ruckus, then I imagine a player who may or may not be super educated on the situation saying something that China perceives as offensive could cause some concern for the safety of the teams that are currently over there.
That said, I think the NBA should have just pulled the plug on the China games after all this started anyways.. |
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| governator wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Quote: | (((Yair Rosenberg)))
@Yair_Rosenberg
Wow, this is chilling. The NBA minder shuts down CNN's question here and refuses to let the players answer it. Not only are they acting as China's censors for their employees, they're now bringing China's suppression of the critical press to our shores. |
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1182309829538467840 |
This is the position of US government also, why is it chilling or surprising? |
not only that, the players are not diplomats and the reporters are vultures circling trying to create an international incident. |
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| cal1piggy wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | 3baller wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | China doesn't want someone in America who works for an NBA team to have free speech on a subject they don't approve of |
China is basically boycotting a company which they perceive has released an offensive statement through one of its high ranking executive. Isn't that within their rights?
How are they curtailing freedom of speech? Morey or anyone in the NBA are still free to tweet whatever they want against china. Instead Morey deleted the tweet and has since apologized.
If you wanna be upset then be upset at these corporations that are bending over to china. Exactly zero employees of the NBA, Apple and Blizzard(in the US) have lost their freedom of speech. Money and greed is what's silencing them than it is China. |
Why does the Chinese government feel the need to boycott a private sports league over the Tweet of a private individual?
Should the U.S. (under a non-insane administration) lead boycotts against the CBA playing preseason games in the U.S. if Yao Ming tweets that America is oppressing the colonized people of Puerto Rico who deserve national sovereignty? |
as far as china is concerned, hong kong is the biggest threat to their national unity in the last 50 years. furthermore, it is not simple protests but it is basically a mini-civil war going on right now. anything that somebody does which could be significantly increase the support of the protesters is a major problem for china.
this is nothing like the us 'oppressing' puerto rico, and many americans probably would be very happy to let puerto rico go independent to reduce the tax burden from having to financially support the island. |
A "civil war," eh? That escalated quickly. I haven't read any formal calls for Hong Kong's secession from protest leaders, though I have no doubt there are some protestors with big dreams of eventual Hong Kong independence.
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| AY2043 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Quote: | (((Yair Rosenberg)))
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Wow, this is chilling. The NBA minder shuts down CNN's question here and refuses to let the players answer it. Not only are they acting as China's censors for their employees, they're now bringing China's suppression of the critical press to our shores. |
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1182309829538467840 |
It kind of makes sense in a way, because the NBA has 2 teams over there right now. If a simple tweet from a team's GM can cause this much of a ruckus, then I imagine a player who may or may not be super educated on the situation saying something that China perceives as offensive could cause some concern for the safety of the teams that are currently over there.
That said, I think the NBA should have just pulled the plug on the China games after all this started anyways.. |
pull the plug from China means NBA is ready to lose upward of 20% revenue (not profit, revenue)... layoffs, decrease salaries due to decrease BRI... would people take a 20% paycut from their paycheck so they can speak up against China?
I think it's ridiculous to demand NBA players to pick up the mantle against the chinese govt, it's our govt's job
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| cal1piggy wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Quote: | (((Yair Rosenberg)))
@Yair_Rosenberg
Wow, this is chilling. The NBA minder shuts down CNN's question here and refuses to let the players answer it. Not only are they acting as China's censors for their employees, they're now bringing China's suppression of the critical press to our shores. |
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1182309829538467840 |
This is the position of US government also, why is it chilling or surprising? |
not only that, the players are not diplomats and the reporters are vultures circling trying to create an international incident. |
That or just doing her job.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Quote: | (((Yair Rosenberg)))
@Yair_Rosenberg
Wow, this is chilling. The NBA minder shuts down CNN's question here and refuses to let the players answer it. Not only are they acting as China's censors for their employees, they're now bringing China's suppression of the critical press to our shores. |
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1182309829538467840 |
This is the position of US government also, why is it chilling or surprising? |
not only that, the players are not diplomats and the reporters are vultures circling trying to create an international incident. |
That or just doing her job. |
yes sure, her job is to create news by putting players into a sensitive political situation that players are not comfortable answering.
in an article yesterday, laker players were asking the nba commissioner about exactly this situation - that they WERE NOT comfortable answering politically sensitive questions.
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| cal1piggy wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Quote: | (((Yair Rosenberg)))
@Yair_Rosenberg
Wow, this is chilling. The NBA minder shuts down CNN's question here and refuses to let the players answer it. Not only are they acting as China's censors for their employees, they're now bringing China's suppression of the critical press to our shores. |
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1182309829538467840 |
This is the position of US government also, why is it chilling or surprising? |
not only that, the players are not diplomats and the reporters are vultures circling trying to create an international incident. |
That or just doing her job. |
yes sure, her job is to create news. |
Distrustful of protestors and reporters...?
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Quote: | (((Yair Rosenberg)))
@Yair_Rosenberg
Wow, this is chilling. The NBA minder shuts down CNN's question here and refuses to let the players answer it. Not only are they acting as China's censors for their employees, they're now bringing China's suppression of the critical press to our shores. |
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1182309829538467840 |
This is the position of US government also, why is it chilling or surprising? |
not only that, the players are not diplomats and the reporters are vultures circling trying to create an international incident. |
That or just doing her job. |
yes sure, her job is to create news. |
Distrustful of protestors and reporters...? |
i have no problem with protesters and reporters
i have problems with rioters that regularly throw gasoline bombs and reporters that make laker players uncomfortable by asking questions that they are simply not trained for
think about the distraction that could happen if lebron was tricked into saying something anti-china that makes morey proud |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | 3baller wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | China doesn't want someone in America who works for an NBA team to have free speech on a subject they don't approve of |
China is basically boycotting a company which they perceive has released an offensive statement through one of its high ranking executive. Isn't that within their rights?
How are they curtailing freedom of speech? Morey or anyone in the NBA are still free to tweet whatever they want against china. Instead Morey deleted the tweet and has since apologized.
If you wanna be upset then be upset at these corporations that are bending over to china. Exactly zero employees of the NBA, Apple and Blizzard(in the US) have lost their freedom of speech. Money and greed is what's silencing them than it is China. |
Why does the Chinese government feel the need to boycott a private sports league over the Tweet of a private individual?
Should the U.S. (under a non-insane administration) lead boycotts against the CBA playing preseason games in the U.S. if Yao Ming tweets that America is oppressing the colonized people of Puerto Rico who deserve national sovereignty? |
as far as china is concerned, hong kong is the biggest threat to their national unity in the last 50 years. furthermore, it is not simple protests but it is basically a mini-civil war going on right now. anything that somebody does which could be significantly increase the support of the protesters is a major problem for china.
this is nothing like the us 'oppressing' puerto rico, and many americans probably would be very happy to let puerto rico go independent to reduce the tax burden from having to financially support the island. |
A "civil war," eh? That escalated quickly. I haven't read any formal calls for Hong Kong's secession from protest leaders, though I have no doubt there are some protestors with big dreams of eventual Hong Kong independence. |
i said mini-civil war.
what do you call rioters regularly throwing gasoline bombs at the police and the police regularly shooting rubber bullets at the rioters.
a full on civil war would obviously have live bullets, which we are starting to see.
btw, many many protesters have 'revolution' on their sign.
so they are clearly calling for secession.
that is why this is probably going to unfortunately end badly
the protestors have either no end game or essentially independence.
anyone who is rational knows that the tanks will roll in before that happens. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| cal1piggy wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Quote: | (((Yair Rosenberg)))
@Yair_Rosenberg
Wow, this is chilling. The NBA minder shuts down CNN's question here and refuses to let the players answer it. Not only are they acting as China's censors for their employees, they're now bringing China's suppression of the critical press to our shores. |
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1182309829538467840 |
This is the position of US government also, why is it chilling or surprising? |
not only that, the players are not diplomats and the reporters are vultures circling trying to create an international incident. |
That or just doing her job. |
yes sure, her job is to create news. |
Distrustful of protestors and reporters...? |
i have no problem with protesters and reporters
i have problems with rioters that regularly throw gasoline bombs and reporters that make laker players uncomfortable by asking questions that they are simply not trained for
think about the distraction that could happen if lebron was tricked into saying something anti-china that makes morey proud |
Sounds like those protestors may be in pretty dire straits if they have to resort to petrol bombs.
Lebron's a grown man who can answer media questions. He doesn't need to be infantilized, protected from those tricksy reporters.
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