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| GameCock-MD wrote: | | Ignoring the fit, for what we gave up, trade was s steal. |
Opinions about that vary widely, depending on how much decline you see in Westbrook.
Over the past four years, we have seen NBA players themselves give him fewer and fewer votes for the all-star team. Four years ago he was the #1 guard in the players vote; last year he dropped to #12, just ahead of RJ Barrett and Colin Sexton.
He's on his fourth team in four years, and in the past 6 years his teams have only made it to the second round of the playoffs once.
He's still a big name, and he still puts up big stats in everything but shooting. But how good he? Throw a stone and you'll hit people with 10 very divergent opinions. |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | 3baller wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | Ignoring the fit, for what we gave up, trade was s steal.
The only way this isn't a good trade is if Rob doesn't do what it takes to fill the rest of the roster. |
It wasn't a steal, if it was the entire NBA would already be up in arms. I haven't seen a single wizards fan who hated the trade for their team. Greg Popovich probably saw the news and went straight back to sleep. |
What would Pop do if it was a steal? He doesn't sleep? LOL! Seems like you're taking that comment literally. I few like we gave up a lot for a player I'm not a big fan of. Then I'm reminded of how small they all played when AD was injured, then it makes me look forward to seeing our new team with Westbrook. |
Oh the irony
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Westbrook won't be our problem next season. I'm fairly confident we'll win the West. The East is not the easy East of old. Milwaukee or Brooklyn won't be easy outs.
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| I fully understand the potential "fit" issues if the Big 3 do not make adjustments....but Brodie is the one player in the NBA I would pay to watch no matter what uniform he is wearing. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | | Ignoring the fit, for what we gave up, trade was s steal. |
Opinions about that vary widely, depending on how much decline you see in Westbrook.
Over the past four years, we have seen NBA players themselves give him fewer and fewer votes for the all-star team. Four years ago he was the #1 guard in the players vote; last year he dropped to #12, just ahead of RJ Barrett and Colin Sexton.
He's on his fourth team in four years, and in the past 6 years his teams have only made it to the second round of the playoffs once.
He's still a big name, and he still puts up big stats in everything but shooting. But how good he? Throw a stone and you'll hit people with 10 very divergent opinions. |
Which is probably why we were able to pull of the trade in the 1st place.
We just got the most recent player of the month for a bunch of rotation players and a non-lotto pick.
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85 yay to 35 nay so far.
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| kikanga wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | | Ignoring the fit, for what we gave up, trade was s steal. |
Opinions about that vary widely, depending on how much decline you see in Westbrook.
Over the past four years, we have seen NBA players themselves give him fewer and fewer votes for the all-star team. Four years ago he was the #1 guard in the players vote; last year he dropped to #12, just ahead of RJ Barrett and Colin Sexton.
He's on his fourth team in four years, and in the past 6 years his teams have only made it to the second round of the playoffs once.
He's still a big name, and he still puts up big stats in everything but shooting. But how good he? Throw a stone and you'll hit people with 10 very divergent opinions. |
Which is probably why we were able to pull of the trade in the 1st place.
We just got the most recent player of the month for a bunch of rotation players and a non-lotto pick. |
That's something else being glossed over. Many are looking at his negatives and ignoring his positives, assists, rebounds, playmaking, running the offense.
Last season, KCP and Kuz were treated like scrubs in this forum. Sit them, trade them. Since they've been traded they've become great assets.
I'll bet some of those saying we shouldn't have traded them are some of the same that were down on them. Oh how soon we forget. SMH
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| kikanga wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | | Ignoring the fit, for what we gave up, trade was s steal. |
Opinions about that vary widely, depending on how much decline you see in Westbrook.
Over the past four years, we have seen NBA players themselves give him fewer and fewer votes for the all-star team. Four years ago he was the #1 guard in the players vote; last year he dropped to #12, just ahead of RJ Barrett and Colin Sexton.
He's on his fourth team in four years, and in the past 6 years his teams have only made it to the second round of the playoffs once.
He's still a big name, and he still puts up big stats in everything but shooting. But how good he? Throw a stone and you'll hit people with 10 very divergent opinions. |
Which is probably why we were able to pull of the trade in the 1st place.
We just got the most recent player of the month for a bunch of rotation players and a non-lotto pick. |
And pretty soon we'll go from predicting whether it will work out to seeing whether it works out. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | | Ignoring the fit, for what we gave up, trade was s steal. |
Opinions about that vary widely, depending on how much decline you see in Westbrook.
Over the past four years, we have seen NBA players themselves give him fewer and fewer votes for the all-star team. Four years ago he was the #1 guard in the players vote; last year he dropped to #12, just ahead of RJ Barrett and Colin Sexton.
He's on his fourth team in four years, and in the past 6 years his teams have only made it to the second round of the playoffs once.
He's still a big name, and he still puts up big stats in everything but shooting. But how good he? Throw a stone and you'll hit people with 10 very divergent opinions. |
Which is probably why we were able to pull of the trade in the 1st place.
We just got the most recent player of the month for a bunch of rotation players and a non-lotto pick. |
That's something else being glossed over. Many are looking at his negatives and ignoring his positives, assists, rebounds, playmaking, running the offense.
Last season, KCP and Kuz were treated like scrubs in this forum. Sit them, trade them. Since they've been traded they've become great assets.
I'll bet some of those saying we shouldn't have traded them are some of the same that were down on them. Oh how soon we forget. SMH |
I'm confident if Rob was patient, the Lakers could have gotten Dame Lillard for Kuz, KCP, Trez and 10 1st rd picks. |
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So Russ started the season with a quad injury.. and ended the season in the playoffs with an injury, leaving games early |
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| AD23 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | | Ignoring the fit, for what we gave up, trade was s steal. |
Opinions about that vary widely, depending on how much decline you see in Westbrook.
Over the past four years, we have seen NBA players themselves give him fewer and fewer votes for the all-star team. Four years ago he was the #1 guard in the players vote; last year he dropped to #12, just ahead of RJ Barrett and Colin Sexton.
He's on his fourth team in four years, and in the past 6 years his teams have only made it to the second round of the playoffs once.
He's still a big name, and he still puts up big stats in everything but shooting. But how good he? Throw a stone and you'll hit people with 10 very divergent opinions. |
Which is probably why we were able to pull of the trade in the 1st place.
We just got the most recent player of the month for a bunch of rotation players and a non-lotto pick. |
That's something else being glossed over. Many are looking at his negatives and ignoring his positives, assists, rebounds, playmaking, running the offense.
Last season, KCP and Kuz were treated like scrubs in this forum. Sit them, trade them. Since they've been traded they've become great assets.
I'll bet some of those saying we shouldn't have traded them are some of the same that were down on them. Oh how soon we forget. SMH |
I'm confident if Rob was patient, the Lakers could have gotten Dame Lillard for Kuz, KCP, Trez and 10 1st rd picks. |
You gotta be kidding me. Do you really think Portland would part with Dame Dolla for those three? Name one team in the history of the NBA that has offered 10 first round picks for anyone. Did you just make that up?
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So Russ started the season with a quad injury.. and ended the season in the playoffs with an injury, leaving games early |
Don't forget he had a quad injury in the bubble.
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| epic_ wrote: | | Mark10 45 wrote: |
So Russ started the season with a quad injury.. and ended the season in the playoffs with an injury, leaving games early |
Don't forget he had a quad injury in the bubble. |
and 4 knee surgeries in seasons before that |
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| 3baller wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | Ignoring the fit, for what we gave up, trade was s steal.
The only way this isn't a good trade is if Rob doesn't do what it takes to fill the rest of the roster. |
It wasn't a steal, if it was the entire NBA would already be up in arms. I haven't seen a single wizards fan who hated the trade for their team. Greg Popovich probably saw the news and went straight back to sleep. |
KCP, Kuz, and Harrell are easily better than the corpse of John Wall. The Wizards won the trade.
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| epic_ wrote: | | 85 yay to 35 nay so far. |
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| BILBJH wrote: | | Mark10 45 wrote: | it'd be cool if Westbrook re-invented himself. became a great cutter and defender..maybe in the playoffs..
re-invent that shooting form too, i don't see why not, seriously, why not overhaul it |
It doesn't make sense to me when good free throw shooters struggle to become competent 3 point shooters. Especially wide open threes.
At any rate, I'd rather be sitting here hoping Russ's three point shot improves with all the gravity than hoping for Dennis's shot to get better.
LBJ shot better from three than Harden did this season... and he shot better than KD did the season before the Achilles. If LBJ can raise that up even one more point... from 36 to 37% and Russ can get to 34% which might not be impossible considering AD and LBJ's gravity and that he no longer needs to run like a maniac all game for his new team to win, that would go a long way to narrowing the shooting gap. |
Westbrook's career high from 3-point is 34%; his career low is 22%; and his career average is 31%.
I always assume a player is going to perform at his career average, rather than his career high.
In fact, I am of the opinion that the reason some Lakers fan think players lose their shooting touch when they come here is because they think players have failed when they shoot their career norms rather than their career high for us. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | | Ignoring the fit, for what we gave up, trade was s steal. |
Opinions about that vary widely, depending on how much decline you see in Westbrook.
Over the past four years, we have seen NBA players themselves give him fewer and fewer votes for the all-star team. Four years ago he was the #1 guard in the players vote; last year he dropped to #12, just ahead of RJ Barrett and Colin Sexton.
He's on his fourth team in four years, and in the past 6 years his teams have only made it to the second round of the playoffs once.
He's still a big name, and he still puts up big stats in everything but shooting. But how good he? Throw a stone and you'll hit people with 10 very divergent opinions. |
Which is probably why we were able to pull of the trade in the 1st place.
We just got the most recent player of the month for a bunch of rotation players and a non-lotto pick. |
That's something else being glossed over. Many are looking at his negatives and ignoring his positives, assists, rebounds, playmaking, running the offense.
Last season, KCP and Kuz were treated like scrubs in this forum. Sit them, trade them. Since they've been traded they've become great assets.
I'll bet some of those saying we shouldn't have traded them are some of the same that were down on them. Oh how soon we forget. SMH |
I'm confident if Rob was patient, the Lakers could have gotten Dame Lillard for Kuz, KCP, Trez and 10 1st rd picks. |
You gotta be kidding me. Do you really think Portland would part with Dame Dolla for those three? Name one team in the history of the NBA that has offered 10 first round picks for anyone. Did you just make that up? |
He's being sarcastic and mocking dumb Lakers fans. Don't feel bad. He got me too a week ago.
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| kikanga wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | | Ignoring the fit, for what we gave up, trade was s steal. |
Opinions about that vary widely, depending on how much decline you see in Westbrook.
Over the past four years, we have seen NBA players themselves give him fewer and fewer votes for the all-star team. Four years ago he was the #1 guard in the players vote; last year he dropped to #12, just ahead of RJ Barrett and Colin Sexton.
He's on his fourth team in four years, and in the past 6 years his teams have only made it to the second round of the playoffs once.
He's still a big name, and he still puts up big stats in everything but shooting. But how good he? Throw a stone and you'll hit people with 10 very divergent opinions. |
Which is probably why we were able to pull of the trade in the 1st place.
We just got the most recent player of the month for a bunch of rotation players and a non-lotto pick. |
That's something else being glossed over. Many are looking at his negatives and ignoring his positives, assists, rebounds, playmaking, running the offense.
Last season, KCP and Kuz were treated like scrubs in this forum. Sit them, trade them. Since they've been traded they've become great assets.
I'll bet some of those saying we shouldn't have traded them are some of the same that were down on them. Oh how soon we forget. SMH |
I'm confident if Rob was patient, the Lakers could have gotten Dame Lillard for Kuz, KCP, Trez and 10 1st rd picks. |
You gotta be kidding me. Do you really think Portland would part with Dame Dolla for those three? Name one team in the history of the NBA that has offered 10 first round picks for anyone. Did you just make that up? |
He's being sarcastic and mocking dumb Lakers fans. Don't feel bad. He got me too a week ago. |
OoooooTay. Fool me once.....
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Analytics aside, Westbrook is a baller, a dawg, a killer. Yeah he misses jumpers, and make critical turnovers, but with our coaching staff and Lebron's bball IQ I hope he can limit his mistakes enough for it to not be a big issue.
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| Hello laker fans. It’s optimistically a yay for me, but expect the first half to 3/4 of next season to be an experiment and lakersground fans tearing their hair out and growing bald. We were not going to win with kcp kuz 22. If lebron stays fresh and ad is healthy by playoff time, then this trade I would consider a success. Since our window is I believe only 1-2 year max, mostly due to health and age, staggering west with lebron to minimize ball handling redundancy makes sense. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | Easy yes.
We lost:
(a) Harrell - an unplayable playoff big who can't shoot or defend who also we all fully expected and wanted to opt out unless it was to facilitate a trade. Addition by subtraction but his contract made the deal happen.
(b) Kuzma - and his whopping 28% playoff career 3pt shooting average with 3.3 rebound and .9 assists. On the biggest stage he plays his smallest. In meaningless games where there's no pressure, he puts up numbers. 99% of LG wanted him banished
(c) KCP - the only semblance of an important piece to this team. We will miss his shooting and defense but it was feast or famine with him. He's white hot or terrified to shoot. Still, only a role player that's easily replaceable.
(d) #22 - people are really complaining about this as the straw that broke the camel's back but we also got back two 2nd rounders. Are they in 24 and all the way in 28, sure. But those are the years we'll start to need to address our lack of assets to add youth and without question they will be in the the 30-40 range.
I'm sorry but I'm not seeing what others are seeing as this being a bad deal. How well it works will come down to how Westbrook approaches his style of play and what pieces Rob puts around these guys. Obviously we need shooting (Gay, Porter, Burks, etc) but we also didn't hard cap ourselves and can now bring back AC and THT. Oh and we kept our best trade asset in THT and still have the ability to move Dennis in a S&T for depth or a TPE which could be huge down the road. Excited to see how Rob approaches filling out the roster. |
Sure. Keep telling yourself that. |
You were saying the same kind of stuff during the championship season about certain players. Clown takes.
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| LBJ23 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | Easy yes.
We lost:
(a) Harrell - an unplayable playoff big who can't shoot or defend who also we all fully expected and wanted to opt out unless it was to facilitate a trade. Addition by subtraction but his contract made the deal happen.
(b) Kuzma - and his whopping 28% playoff career 3pt shooting average with 3.3 rebound and .9 assists. On the biggest stage he plays his smallest. In meaningless games where there's no pressure, he puts up numbers. 99% of LG wanted him banished
(c) KCP - the only semblance of an important piece to this team. We will miss his shooting and defense but it was feast or famine with him. He's white hot or terrified to shoot. Still, only a role player that's easily replaceable.
(d) #22 - people are really complaining about this as the straw that broke the camel's back but we also got back two 2nd rounders. Are they in 24 and all the way in 28, sure. But those are the years we'll start to need to address our lack of assets to add youth and without question they will be in the the 30-40 range.
I'm sorry but I'm not seeing what others are seeing as this being a bad deal. How well it works will come down to how Westbrook approaches his style of play and what pieces Rob puts around these guys. Obviously we need shooting (Gay, Porter, Burks, etc) but we also didn't hard cap ourselves and can now bring back AC and THT. Oh and we kept our best trade asset in THT and still have the ability to move Dennis in a S&T for depth or a TPE which could be huge down the road. Excited to see how Rob approaches filling out the roster. |
Sure. Keep telling yourself that. |
You were saying the same kind of stuff during the championship season about certain players. Clown takes. |
Some fans can't function without being miserable and upset with their team all the time. Greener pasture is always elsewhere. |
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| LBJ23 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | Easy yes.
We lost:
(a) Harrell - an unplayable playoff big who can't shoot or defend who also we all fully expected and wanted to opt out unless it was to facilitate a trade. Addition by subtraction but his contract made the deal happen.
(b) Kuzma - and his whopping 28% playoff career 3pt shooting average with 3.3 rebound and .9 assists. On the biggest stage he plays his smallest. In meaningless games where there's no pressure, he puts up numbers. 99% of LG wanted him banished
(c) KCP - the only semblance of an important piece to this team. We will miss his shooting and defense but it was feast or famine with him. He's white hot or terrified to shoot. Still, only a role player that's easily replaceable.
(d) #22 - people are really complaining about this as the straw that broke the camel's back but we also got back two 2nd rounders. Are they in 24 and all the way in 28, sure. But those are the years we'll start to need to address our lack of assets to add youth and without question they will be in the the 30-40 range.
I'm sorry but I'm not seeing what others are seeing as this being a bad deal. How well it works will come down to how Westbrook approaches his style of play and what pieces Rob puts around these guys. Obviously we need shooting (Gay, Porter, Burks, etc) but we also didn't hard cap ourselves and can now bring back AC and THT. Oh and we kept our best trade asset in THT and still have the ability to move Dennis in a S&T for depth or a TPE which could be huge down the road. Excited to see how Rob approaches filling out the roster. |
Sure. Keep telling yourself that. |
You were saying the same kind of stuff during the championship season about certain players. Clown takes. |
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