Doing a DLO/Murray move can be seen as an upgrade for the Lakers. However I highly doubt that is the deal. Murray is on a multi-year deal. He's not seen as damaged goods. They don't need to have someone take that contract off their hands.
Meaning, they'll likely be looking for a player in the now and a longterm asset. The player in the now will be either Austin/DLO. The longterm asset will be the draft pick.
Murray would be a great pickup imo. An athletic guard with decent size who is only 27. He's on a decent contract for his production. One knock on him has been three point shooting, but he's shooting nearly 40% from three this season. Has led the league in steals and been on an All-Defensive team. Prior to teaming up with Trae he averaged 9.2 assists with the Spurs. And has averaged between 20-21 points in each of the last three seasons on reasonable efficiency.
The question of course is what the price. We all love Reaves, an undrafted home grown player. But it isn't like you'd be giving him up for a bag of potato chips, Murray is a quality player.
And to be fair, I don't think it has been said it's been offered, but we gave up a pick (2027) to get DLO and Rui. Now to give up a pick to move one of them for Murray, it's not something that appeals.
However I don't know the details. I am not against an upgrade, but I hope we avoid moving draft picks.
It’s hilarious that Murray requires Reaves or 2029 unprotected 1st when all these other teams have traded trash with most recent example being Harden trade.
FOH with the Laker tax.
Murray is a starter. Reaves has spent all year proving he’s not a starter on offense and defense. That is not a tax. Thats the reality of their play and ability. Murray is a former all defensive team player and Reaves wears a sign that says hunt me on defense. Murray is a former all star and Murray isn’t. Reaves shoots horribly as a starter and Murray is shooting great from distance. Let’s call it what it is. Murray is better.
Austin Reaves is not as good as D’lo as a starter. D’lo is not close to Murray or Lavine as a starter. We’ll (bleep) let that math, math, and you see there’s no tax. That’s call getting compensation for downgrading
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Murray would be a great pickup imo. An athletic guard with decent size who is only 27. He's on a decent contract for his production. One knock on him has been three point shooting, but he's shooting nearly 40% from three this season. Has led the league in steals and been on an All-Defensive team. Prior to teaming up with Trae he averaged 9.2 assists with the Spurs. And has averaged between 20-21 points in each of the last three seasons on reasonable efficiency.
The question of course is what the price. We all love Reaves, an undrafted home grown player. But it isn't like you'd be giving him up for a bag of potato chips, Murray is a quality player.
IMO if the deal was ever Reaves alone, Reaves would be a Hawk ASAP. Pelinka does not work that way. Unlike the fanbase he has shown zero loyalty to his players who develop. He sends them all off the minute he can cash in. So if we hear this deal stalls, it's not Reaves. It's that Hawks want more than Reaves.
DLO is nothing move for them, he can opt out and leave. Reaves is locked in for 3 years like Murray is. To me this deal is only even talked about if Reaves is on one side and Murray the other. The thing is Murray is a proven all-defensive player and 1 time recent all-star. Reaves is MLE talent with potential to be better. I don't think they do the deal with Reaves alone (and anyway. we'd need to add more salaries).
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:13 pm Post subject:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
Pelinka going for the quick fix. Shocking.
Doing a DLO/Murray move can be seen as an upgrade for the Lakers. However I highly doubt that is the deal. Murray is on a multi-year deal. He's not seen as damaged goods. They don't need to have someone take that contract off their hands.
Meaning, they'll likely be looking for a player in the now and a longterm asset. The player in the now will be either Austin/DLO. The longterm asset will be the draft pick.
Is giving up yet another post-Lebron pick wise?
We should be going all in right now. Who knows when we'll get this close to championship level again.
The playoffs pretty much come down to, "do you have the best guy in the series?"
I think Bron can still be that guy. (cough) Unless we're playing Jokic/Embiid/Giannis. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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I can buy in the Reaves for Murray deal. Even if I'll say I would miss Austin, and much prefer to move AD for longterm assets and let Austin, Rui+ young assets run buck wild for a wee bit until we re-build.
I just don't see why Atlanta buys into that Austin/Murray deal. They get the lesser player. We would have to add something. They are not in a desperation to make a deal. Murray is locked in.
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:32 pm Post subject:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
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I can buy in the Reaves for Murray deal. Even if I'll say I would miss Austin, and much prefer to move AD for longterm assets and let Austin, Rui+ young assets run buck wild for a wee bit until we re-build.
I just don't see why Atlanta buys into that Austin/Murray deal. They get the lesser player. We would have to add something. They are not in a desperation to make a deal. Murray is locked in.
Lets see what Rob Lowe can cook up.
He turned Westbrook into a WC finals rotation last year.
Maybe it's not, this trade. Or Lavine. But maybe Rob does it again. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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I can buy in the Reaves for Murray deal. Even if I'll say I would miss Austin, and much prefer to move AD for longterm assets and let Austin, Rui+ young assets run buck wild for a wee bit until we re-build.
I just don't see why Atlanta buys into that Austin/Murray deal. They get the lesser player. We would have to add something. They are not in a desperation to make a deal. Murray is locked in.
Lets see what Rob Lowe can cook up.
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He turned Westbrook into a WC finals rotation last year.
Maybe it's not, this trade. Or Lavine. But maybe Rob does it again.
There were 4 picks involved in that.
2027 1st round pick to Utah. (To get DLO, Vando, Beasley)
2023, 2028, 2029 pick to Washington. (To get Rui)
It took 4 future assets, although arguably only the 2027 pick is truly valuable. They're playing with fire here.
To keep giving up future assets to move from 11th-12th in the standings to 7th is what mediocre franchises do IMO.
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 5:25 pm Post subject:
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People really preferred DLO over trading even more assets for Kyrie. If Kyrie could have been had for one more first rounder and Reaves, we were nuts to not do it. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 6:26 pm Post subject:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
kikanga wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
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I can buy in the Reaves for Murray deal. Even if I'll say I would miss Austin, and much prefer to move AD for longterm assets and let Austin, Rui+ young assets run buck wild for a wee bit until we re-build.
I just don't see why Atlanta buys into that Austin/Murray deal. They get the lesser player. We would have to add something. They are not in a desperation to make a deal. Murray is locked in.
Lets see what Rob Lowe can cook up.
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He turned Westbrook into a WC finals rotation last year.
Maybe it's not, this trade. Or Lavine. But maybe Rob does it again.
There were 4 picks involved in that.
2027 1st round pick to Utah. (To get DLO, Vando, Beasley)
2023, 2028, 2029 pick to Washington. (To get Rui)
It took 4 future assets, although arguably only the 2027 pick is truly valuable. They're playing with fire here.
To keep giving up future assets to move from 11th-12th in the standings to 7th is what mediocre franchises do IMO.
I don't care what place we enter the playoffs in. I just care what we do when we get there.
Bron and Brow got us to the WC finals last year. They deserve another shot. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 6:28 pm Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
kikanga wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
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I can buy in the Reaves for Murray deal. Even if I'll say I would miss Austin, and much prefer to move AD for longterm assets and let Austin, Rui+ young assets run buck wild for a wee bit until we re-build.
I just don't see why Atlanta buys into that Austin/Murray deal. They get the lesser player. We would have to add something. They are not in a desperation to make a deal. Murray is locked in.
Lets see what Rob Lowe can cook up.
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He turned Westbrook into a WC finals rotation last year.
Maybe it's not, this trade. Or Lavine. But maybe Rob does it again.
There were 4 picks involved in that.
2027 1st round pick to Utah. (To get DLO, Vando, Beasley)
2023, 2028, 2029 pick to Washington. (To get Rui)
It took 4 future assets, although arguably only the 2027 pick is truly valuable. They're playing with fire here.
To keep giving up future assets to move from 11th-12th in the standings to 7th is what mediocre franchises do IMO.
I don't care what place we enter the playoffs in. I just care what we do when we get there.
Bron and Brow got us to the WC finals last year. They deserve another shot.
What do you think the odds are those picks equal a future LBJ and Brow? _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
You guys forget how good Murray is. He's locked into a very good contract (4/$120M)
People overrate Murray far more. They look at his one season in San Antonio and think that's who you're getting. Without Popovich what you're getting is who ATL has. There's a reason the league knows the Spurs fleeced Atlanta and why Atlanta wants to get rid of him.
You think Atlanta wants to break him and Trae up this fast for no reason?
He's not worth Reaves/DLO.
zambia wrote:
The Lakers need Murray.
If they want to lose more games and get fleeced like the Hawks did, yeah. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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I can buy in the Reaves for Murray deal. Even if I'll say I would miss Austin, and much prefer to move AD for longterm assets and let Austin, Rui+ young assets run buck wild for a wee bit until we re-build.
I just don't see why Atlanta buys into that Austin/Murray deal. They get the lesser player. We would have to add something. They are not in a desperation to make a deal. Murray is locked in.
Lets see what Rob Lowe can cook up.
Quote:
He turned Westbrook into a WC finals rotation last year.
Maybe it's not, this trade. Or Lavine. But maybe Rob does it again.
There were 4 picks involved in that.
2027 1st round pick to Utah. (To get DLO, Vando, Beasley)
2023, 2028, 2029 pick to Washington. (To get Rui)
It took 4 future assets, although arguably only the 2027 pick is truly valuable. They're playing with fire here.
To keep giving up future assets to move from 11th-12th in the standings to 7th is what mediocre franchises do IMO.
That's a very odd way to frame it. If the Lakers give up assets, it wouldn't be in pursuit of moving up a few slots in the regular season. It would be to try to compete for a ring in the playoffs. They may not succeed, but it's not accurate to say they are trading future assets in the hopes of having a slight regular season improvement.
He's scoring the same as he did with the Spurs, on better efficiency. His rebounding and assists have dropped though. The assists were to be expected playing with Trae (who averages 11 per game).
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:31 pm Post subject:
MJST wrote:
LakerFan1987 wrote:
Quit overrating our players.
You guys forget how good Murray is. He's locked into a very good contract (4/$120M)
People overrate Murray far more. They look at his one season in San Antonio and think that's who you're getting. Without Popovich what you're getting is who ATL has. There's a reason the league knows the Spurs fleeced Atlanta and why Atlanta wants to get rid of him.
You think Atlanta wants to break him and Trae up this fast for no reason?
He's not worth Reaves/DLO.
zambia wrote:
The Lakers need Murray.
If they want to lose more games and get fleeced like the Hawks did, yeah.
This 100%
I don't think people actually have been watching Murray/Hawks ball at all lol
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