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dont_be_a_wuss
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Israel has hit Iran, Iraq and Syria with retaliation attacks.m
Iran has cleared the air space around their missile launch sites as they are expected to launch a retaliation strike back at Israel |
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Netanyahu is causing big problems for President Biden. He's ignoring his suggestions to de-escalate. It's time for him to end weapons supplies. I agree with this quote | Quote: | | Biden officials worry that Israeli response to Iran's attack may trigger wider war. President Joe Biden has privately expressed concern that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to drag Washington into a broader conflict, according to three people familiar with his comments.5 days ago |
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| jodeke wrote: | Netanyahu is causing big problems for President Biden. He's ignoring his suggestions to de-escalate. It's time for him to end weapons supplies. I agree with this quote | Quote: | | Biden officials worry that Israeli response to Iran's attack may trigger wider war. President Joe Biden has privately expressed concern that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to drag Washington into a broader conflict, according to three people familiar with his comments.5 days ago |
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Bibi is an unhinged nut job, Israel's own personal mullah who will stop at nothing to retain power. |
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| strong9 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Netanyahu is causing big problems for President Biden. He's ignoring his suggestions to de-escalate. It's time for him to end weapons supplies. I agree with this quote | Quote: | | Biden officials worry that Israeli response to Iran's attack may trigger wider war. President Joe Biden has privately expressed concern that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to drag Washington into a broader conflict, according to three people familiar with his comments.5 days ago |
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Bibi is an unhinged nut job, Israel's own personal mullah who will stop at nothing to retain power. |
Bibi is Israel's own version of George W. Bush. There are so many similarities, especially the advanced knowledge they supposedly had of the Oct. 7 and 9-11 attacks.
Remember Bush saying that he was a "war president?"
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| strong9 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Netanyahu is causing big problems for President Biden. He's ignoring his suggestions to de-escalate. It's time for him to end weapons supplies. I agree with this quote | Quote: | | Biden officials worry that Israeli response to Iran's attack may trigger wider war. President Joe Biden has privately expressed concern that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to drag Washington into a broader conflict, according to three people familiar with his comments.5 days ago |
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Bibi is an unhinged nut job, Israel's own personal mullah who will stop at nothing to retain power. |
His political survival relies on him staying in power. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| slavavov wrote: | | strong9 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Netanyahu is causing big problems for President Biden. He's ignoring his suggestions to de-escalate. It's time for him to end weapons supplies. I agree with this quote | Quote: | | Biden officials worry that Israeli response to Iran's attack may trigger wider war. President Joe Biden has privately expressed concern that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to drag Washington into a broader conflict, according to three people familiar with his comments.5 days ago |
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Bibi is an unhinged nut job, Israel's own personal mullah who will stop at nothing to retain power. |
Bibi is Israel's own version of George W. Bush. There are so many similarities, especially the advanced knowledge they supposedly had of the Oct. 7 and 9-11 attacks.
Remember Bush saying that he was a "war president?" |
I really resent him for putting Biden and our country in this position.
He keeps escalating.
I am not a fan of Iran. They have committed crimes against humanity. But you don't blow up embassies or consulates.
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slavavov
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| kikanga wrote: | | slavavov wrote: | | strong9 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Netanyahu is causing big problems for President Biden. He's ignoring his suggestions to de-escalate. It's time for him to end weapons supplies. I agree with this quote | Quote: | | Biden officials worry that Israeli response to Iran's attack may trigger wider war. President Joe Biden has privately expressed concern that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to drag Washington into a broader conflict, according to three people familiar with his comments.5 days ago |
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Bibi is an unhinged nut job, Israel's own personal mullah who will stop at nothing to retain power. |
Bibi is Israel's own version of George W. Bush. There are so many similarities, especially the advanced knowledge they supposedly had of the Oct. 7 and 9-11 attacks.
Remember Bush saying that he was a "war president?" |
I really resent him for putting Biden and our country in this position.
He keeps escalating.
I am not a fan of Iran. They have committed crimes against humanity. But you don't blow up embassies or consulates. |
I also hate Iran. It's an S-hole country. But while I would side with Israel in this conflict, it has the wrong leadership, and yeah, that leadership is putting our country in a bad position.
My biggest fear is that this could all cost Biden November's election, which would have much, much greater consequences.
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strong9
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| slavavov wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | slavavov wrote: | | strong9 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Netanyahu is causing big problems for President Biden. He's ignoring his suggestions to de-escalate. It's time for him to end weapons supplies. I agree with this quote | Quote: | | Biden officials worry that Israeli response to Iran's attack may trigger wider war. President Joe Biden has privately expressed concern that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to drag Washington into a broader conflict, according to three people familiar with his comments.5 days ago |
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Bibi is an unhinged nut job, Israel's own personal mullah who will stop at nothing to retain power. |
Bibi is Israel's own version of George W. Bush. There are so many similarities, especially the advanced knowledge they supposedly had of the Oct. 7 and 9-11 attacks.
Remember Bush saying that he was a "war president?" |
I really resent him for putting Biden and our country in this position.
He keeps escalating.
I am not a fan of Iran. They have committed crimes against humanity. But you don't blow up embassies or consulates. |
I also hate Iran. It's an S-hole country. But while I would side with Israel in this conflict, it has the wrong leadership, and yeah, that leadership is putting our country in a bad position.
My biggest fear is that this could all cost Biden November's election, which would have much, much greater consequences. |
That's part of Bibi's plan. Trump will give him carte blanche. He is playing the US but only because the US lets him. Presidents in the past stood up to Israel when interests diverged. No American president will do this now. |
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The Israeli attack plays into the hands of the Iranian hardliners. They now have justification to continue nuclear weapons development.
Both Hamas and Netanyahu achieved their goals. They've polarized their factions further and have galvanized yet another generation into implacable hate. |
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| angrypuppy wrote: | The Israeli attack plays into the hands of the Iranian hardliners. They now have justification to continue nuclear weapons development.
Both Hamas and Netanyahu achieved their goals. They've polarized their factions further and have galvanized yet another generation into implacable hate. |
Putin, as well.
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jodeke
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slavavov wrote: | Quote: | I also hate Iran. It's an S-hole country. But while I would side with Israel in this conflict, it has the wrong leadership, and yeah, that leadership is putting our country in a bad position.
My biggest fear is that this could all cost Biden November's election, which would have much, much greater consequences. |
I'm not a fan of the term S-hole country. Mainly because of the originator of the phrase.
I agree Biden allowing his support for Israel to endanger a 2024 election win is a reality. As I've said many times, he's caught between a rock and a hard place. I'm going to hold on to he'll make the difficult decision and take a hard line on supporting Netanyahu. He has to clarify his continuing support for Israel but not Benji's handling of the war with Hamas. I liken his position to JFK's and the Cuban missile crisis.
From what I've read and heard Israelis don't support Netanyahu and his approach to the war. Unfortunately, he'll hold office until 10/26.
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| angrypuppy wrote: | The Israeli attack plays into the hands of the Iranian hardliners. They now have justification to continue nuclear weapons development.
Both Hamas and Netanyahu achieved their goals. They've polarized their factions further and have galvanized yet another generation into implacable hate. |
Nuclear armed countries don't get bombed by other nuclear armed powers. |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: | The Israeli attack plays into the hands of the Iranian hardliners. They now have justification to continue nuclear weapons development.
Both Hamas and Netanyahu achieved their goals. They've polarized their factions further and have galvanized yet another generation into implacable hate. |
Putin, as well. |
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| Honest question, what are the downside risks of taking a "harder" line with Israel. There is the reaction at home during an election year, I get that. But does it really embolden Israel's enemies if the approach is measured? I'm trying to understand the reticence here beyond them being an ally. Of course, its not like we hold many (or any) of our allies truly accountable anyways. |
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I don't remember a president being under as much pressure as President Biden. The deck is stacked against him, Trump at home Netanyahu abroad, and an election on the horizon. America, take heart, he's handling it as well or better than expected. Most presidents get gray while in office, Biden is balding.
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| strong9 wrote: | | Honest question, what are the downside risks of taking a "harder" line with Israel. There is the reaction at home during an election year, I get that. But does it really embolden Israel's enemies if the approach is measured? I'm trying to understand the reticence here beyond them being an ally. Of course, its not like we hold many (or any) of our allies truly accountable anyways. |
$. Not just AIPAC donations to our legislators. But Israel is a big part of our military industrial complex. I learned a long time ago. When my charter high school got $ from defense spending because of our partnership with NASA and JPL.
Disproportionately, the $ goes into the pockets of the Cheaney's of the world. But also our military spending is a jobs program. And it’s a black box with little to no transparency. The excuse is, “we can’t tell you where the $ is going because it is a matter of national security”. Aircrafts, missiles, satellites, tanks are built and never used. They sit in hangars and storage facilities. And with the way the contracts are set up, even if there is plenty of inventory, more is made year after year. We pay a fortune just housing, securing and maintaining the stuff. So if there is a conflict that somewhat justifies the spending, that's a plus. And if we can offload any of it to allies that’s a huge plus.
And those are the things that actually make it out of development. Don’t get me started on the billions spent developing new weaponry that doesn’t pan out and stays in development indefinitely.
In terms of the historical reasons. I recommend you read this:
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There are historians who've dedicated their lives to the topic. Long before Oct. 7. Written countless books. And teach at the best universities in the world. Who can explain it much better than I can.
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Issuing arrest warrant threats is saber rattling. Making an arrest would be meaningful.
Israeli officials concerned about possible ICC arrest warrants as pressure mounts over war in Gaza
By Josef Federman and Samy Magdy | AP
April 29, 2024 at 8:08 a.m. EDT
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