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TheRod
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 Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: An Inconvenient Truth |
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| Go see it. It's a fantastic film! Eye-opening. Anybody else see it? |
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| Not yet, I want to though. |
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yes, very powerful, and irefutable (if thats how it's spelled).
this is a bigger issue than terrorism, yep, i said it.
we need gore to run in '08, and win the presidency AGAIN!
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| It's great... it sucks that facts actually get in the way of policy, ya know? It actually made me sad because it got me thinking, what if Gore was president now? |
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Yeah very powerful movie, regardless of whatever political leanings you have, its a must-see movie because its about our planet.
Any one else get pretty freaked out at all the crazy stuff caused by global warming? I never took that environment stuff seriously until I saw that film. |
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JIFISH
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Just saw the movie tonight, and it was very well done. It needs to be on television several times a week, though. I'm old enough that I won't probably live long enough to see most of the disasters, although I certainly lived long enough to see Hurrican Katrina, and that tsunami in Sri Lanka. The good news is that its not too late to reverse it yet, with some major changes in policy and behavior.
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what is it a chick flick???
if it is...i'll pass
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| Don't believe everything you see, kids. |
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| The Dagger wrote: | | Don't believe everything you see, kids. |
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| LakeShow09 wrote: | | The Dagger wrote: | | Don't believe everything you see, kids. |
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hmm. on one hand i have practically every scientist on the planet. on the other hand, i have you guys.
i'll get back to you guys on this one...i'm gonna have to give it some thought. |
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TheRod
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| LakeShow09 wrote: | | The Dagger wrote: | | Don't believe everything you see, kids. |
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Please elaborate. I'm intrigued. |
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JIFISH
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| ArrOhBee wrote: | what is it a chick flick???
if it is...i'll pass |
Well, there IS one scene where they show a nest of baby chicks that are starving to death because temperature increases have caused the catepillars they feed on to hatch out two weeks too soon.
But it's a documentary, so I don't think it really falls into the realm of guy flick/chick flick. If you can absorb what's being said, it's sobering and scary.
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| The Dagger wrote: | | Don't believe everything you see, kids. |
First, thanks for calling me a kid. It's been about 40 years since anyone has.
Second, I don't.
And third, there's a great quote in the movie from Upton Sinclair that say's it's difficult to get a person to understand something that his paycheck depends on him not understanding.
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| The Dagger wrote: | | Don't believe everything you see, kids. |
No, I'll believe what countless of peer reviewed scientific papers and data compiled by scientists with only a vested interest in discovering truth have determined, as opposed to that of companies with a vested interest in maintaining the current status quo of pollution and fossil fuel consumption... |
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I would have liked to have seen this Al Gore in 2000...
A good lesson to follow your heart rather than polls and image makers when in politics... |
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The Dagger
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| TheRod wrote: | | LakeShow09 wrote: | | The Dagger wrote: | | Don't believe everything you see, kids. |
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Please elaborate. I'm intrigued. |
I would educate you all but that would only get this thread locked. Do your own research instead of watching politically motivated motion pictures. |
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| The Dagger wrote: | | TheRod wrote: | | LakeShow09 wrote: | | The Dagger wrote: | | Don't believe everything you see, kids. |
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Please elaborate. I'm intrigued. |
I would educate you all but that would only get this thread locked. Do your own research instead of watching politically motivated motion pictures. |
weak, imean WEAK response. politically motivated??? whats the motivation in protecting our planet that is political. you've never even seen the film. i know you haven't, because none of you doubters have. you call something propoganda, but never even look at it. what a joke. get the thread locked, but don't make statements you can't back up.
the entire scientific community, with the exception of about 1%, state these facts as just that, FACTS. they have no political motivation.
this is a moral issue, not a political one, and only republicans are trying to make it political, because it doesn't fit into their version of morals (ie. greed and power)
the motto of republicans, party over country. global warming is a far greater threat to americans than terrorism.  :roll: :roll:
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the motto of republicans, party over country. global warming is a far greater threat to americans than terrorism. :roll: :roll: |
actually it should be profit over country... an excellent response. |
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The Dagger
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| maddprophet wrote: | | The Dagger wrote: | | TheRod wrote: | | LakeShow09 wrote: | | The Dagger wrote: | | Don't believe everything you see, kids. |
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Please elaborate. I'm intrigued. |
I would educate you all but that would only get this thread locked. Do your own research instead of watching politically motivated motion pictures. |
weak, imean WEAK response. politically motivated??? whats the motivation in protecting our planet that is political. you've never even seen the film. i know you haven't, because none of you doubters have. you call something propoganda, but never even look at it. what a joke. get the thread locked, but don't make statements you can't back up.
the entire scientific community, with the exception of about 1%, state these facts as just that, FACTS. they have no political motivation.
this is a moral issue, not a political one, and only republicans are trying to make it political, because it doesn't fit into their version of morals (ie. greed and power)
the motto of republicans, party over country. global warming is a far greater threat to americans than terrorism. :roll: :roll: |
Okay....calm down there sheeple.  |
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| The Dagger wrote: | | maddprophet wrote: | | The Dagger wrote: | | TheRod wrote: | | LakeShow09 wrote: | | The Dagger wrote: | | Don't believe everything you see, kids. |
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Please elaborate. I'm intrigued. |
I would educate you all but that would only get this thread locked. Do your own research instead of watching politically motivated motion pictures. |
weak, imean WEAK response. politically motivated??? whats the motivation in protecting our planet that is political. you've never even seen the film. i know you haven't, because none of you doubters have. you call something propoganda, but never even look at it. what a joke. get the thread locked, but don't make statements you can't back up.
the entire scientific community, with the exception of about 1%, state these facts as just that, FACTS. they have no political motivation.
this is a moral issue, not a political one, and only republicans are trying to make it political, because it doesn't fit into their version of morals (ie. greed and power)
the motto of republicans, party over country. global warming is a far greater threat to americans than terrorism. :roll: :roll: |
Okay....calm down there sheeple. |
Yeah, since people disagree with you, they MUST be sheep. Of course.
What are you doing here anyway? Shouldn't you be starting another thread whining about Shaq? |
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The Dagger
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The Dagger
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Here's just some of it. Remember there are always two sides to every issue. Both must be explored before making claims of fact. And don't let politics influence your views.
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Contact: MARC MORANO (marc_morano@epw.senate.gov) 202-224-5762, MATT DEMPSEY (matthew_dempsey@epw.senate.gov) 202-224-9797
AP INCORRECTLY CLAIMS SCIENTISTS PRAISE GORE’S MOVIE
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June 27, 2006
The June 27, 2006 Associated Press (AP) article titled “Scientists OK Gore’s Movie for Accuracy” by Seth Borenstein raises some serious questions about AP’s bias and methodology.
AP chose to ignore the scores of scientists who have harshly criticized the science presented in former Vice President Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth.”
In the interest of full disclosure, the AP should release the names of the “more than 100 top climate researchers” they attempted to contact to review “An Inconvenient Truth.” AP should also name all 19 scientists who gave Gore “five stars for accuracy.” AP claims 19 scientists viewed Gore’s movie, but it only quotes five of them in its article. AP should also release the names of the so-called scientific “skeptics” they claim to have contacted.
The AP article quotes Robert Correll, the chairman of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment group. It appears from the article that Correll has a personal relationship with Gore, having viewed the film at a private screening at the invitation of the former Vice President. In addition, Correll’s reported links as an “affiliate” of a Washington, D.C.-based consulting firm that provides “expert testimony” in trials and his reported sponsorship by the left-leaning Packard Foundation, were not disclosed by AP. See http://www.junkscience.com/feb06.htm
The AP also chose to ignore Gore’s reliance on the now-discredited “hockey stick” by Dr. Michael Mann, which claims that temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere remained relatively stable over 900 years, then spiked upward in the 20th century, and that the 1990’s were the warmest decade in at least 1000 years. Last week’s National Academy of Sciences report dispelled Mann’s often cited claims by reaffirming the existence of both the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age. See Senator Inhofe’s statement on the broken “Hockey Stick.” (http://epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=257697 )
Gore’s claim that global warming is causing the snows of Mt. Kilimanjaro to disappear has also been debunked by scientific reports. For example, a 2004 study in the journal Nature makes clear that Kilimanjaro is experiencing less snowfall because there’s less moisture in the air due to deforestation around Kilimanjaro.
Here is a sampling of the views of some of the scientific critics of Gore:
Professor Bob Carter, of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University in Australia, on Gore’s film:
"Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."
"The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science." – Bob Carter as quoted in the Canadian Free Press, June 12, 2006
Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT, wrote:
“A general characteristic of Mr. Gore's approach is to assiduously ignore the fact that the earth and its climate are dynamic; they are always changing even without any external forcing. To treat all change as something to fear is bad enough; to do so in order to exploit that fear is much worse.” - Lindzen wrote in an op-ed in the June 26, 2006 Wall Street Journal
Gore’s film also cites a review of scientific literature by the journal Science which claimed 100% consensus on global warming, but Lindzen pointed out the study was flat out incorrect.
“…A study in the journal Science by the social scientist Nancy Oreskes claimed that a search of the ISI Web of Knowledge Database for the years 1993 to 2003 under the key words "global climate change" produced 928 articles, all of whose abstracts supported what she referred to as the consensus view. A British social scientist, Benny Peiser, checked her procedure and found that only 913 of the 928 articles had abstracts at all, and that only 13 of the remaining 913 explicitly endorsed the so-called consensus view. Several actually opposed it.”- Lindzen wrote in an op-ed in the June 26, 2006 Wall Street Journal.
Roy Spencer, principal research scientist for the University of Alabama in Huntsville, wrote an open letter to Gore criticizing his presentation of climate science in the film:
“…Temperature measurements in the arctic suggest that it was just as warm there in the 1930's...before most greenhouse gas emissions. Don't you ever wonder whether sea ice concentrations back then were low, too?”- Roy Spencer wrote in a May 25, 2006 column.
Former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball reacted to Gore’s claim that there has been a sharp drop-off in the thickness of the Arctic ice cap since 1970.
"The survey that Gore cites was a single transect across one part of the Arctic basin in the month of October during the 1960s when we were in the middle of the cooling period. The 1990 runs were done in the warmer month of September, using a wholly different technology,” –Tim Ball said, according to the Canadian Free Press. |
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JIFISH
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Since when did the Senate become a resource for scientific information?  This is a press release put out by the aides of some senator. And I'm pretty sure that senator receives sizable donations from the U.S. auto manufacturers. That press release doesn't even begin to pass the smell test. But you want us to throw out everything in the mainstream press because a couple of senate aides put out a press release claiming the Associated Press is biased.
We have an auto industry in this country that can't even sell it's cars in China because they don't meet the Chinese governments standards for emissions and fuel efficiency. And they are fighting tooth and nail to oppose a California requirement that they reduce emissions to slightly below that of China's requirements, because they say it will cost too much.
Why shouldn't the U.S. auto industry be able to make cars that run as efficiently and the Chinese, the Japanese, and the Europeans? Why is it that the U.S. drives 30% of the world's automotive vehicles but is responsible for over 50% of the greenhouse gases that go into the atmosphere each year?
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