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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:05 pm    Post subject:

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You missed the game tonight which our bench gave up multiple big leads?


This was literally explained both in the game thread and after. He played the entire 2nd unit like an idiot. We already know this.

Again, it’s called staggering.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:11 pm    Post subject:

So far...

Reaves starting = starters will build up a good lead, bench comes in and loses the lead

Reaves off the bench = starters will keep the game even, bench comes in and builds a lead
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:19 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo-Lite wrote:
So far...

Reaves starting = starters will build up a good lead, bench comes in and loses the lead

Reaves off the bench = starters will keep the game even, bench comes in and builds a lead


You mean team goes down by 10 and have to crawl back the entire game?

Do none of you guys realize we have never been over .500 for a reason?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:25 pm    Post subject:

Once Bamba is back we actually have

Russell/Schröder
Reaves/Brown
James/Hachimura
Vanderbilt/Gabriel
Davis/Bamba

A 10 man rotation without Beasley. Id still throw him and Walker in for a few minutes to see if they can get it going, then bench them rest of the game if its an off night
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:37 pm    Post subject:

GOODRICH25 wrote:
Once Bamba is back we actually have

Russell/Schröder
Reaves/Brown
James/Hachimura
Vanderbilt/Gabriel
Davis/Bamba

A 10 man rotation without Beasley. Id still throw him and Walker in for a few minutes to see if they can get it going, then bench them rest of the game if its an off night


I would only throw in Beasley if either DLO, Reaves or Brown have a bad night. But only as you said, a few minutes to see if they get ANYTHING going. If they don’t, back to DNP with them.

Rui should be getting more minutes than Beasley anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:39 pm    Post subject:

Megaton wrote:
Lonzo-Lite wrote:
So far...

Reaves starting = starters will build up a good lead, bench comes in and loses the lead

Reaves off the bench = starters will keep the game even, bench comes in and builds a lead


You mean team goes down by 10 and have to crawl back the entire game?

Do none of you guys realize we have never been over .500 for a reason?

Starters went down 10 bc we didn't have LeBron...

DLO/Beas/TBJ/Vando/AD
is infinitely worse of a lineup than
DLO/Beas/Vando/LBJ/AD

LBJ makes the starting lineup make sense role-wise.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:45 pm    Post subject:

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Starters went down 10 bc we didn't have LeBron.


No, cause even with Lebron, we would be down 10. Let’s not have short memories like goldfish mmmkay?

No starting player ever gets -20 in…10 minutes. 10…freaking minutes…-20.

That’s beyond pathetic. No player earns even a rotation spot with that, let alone a starting spot. It’s called earning it, and Beasley hasn’t once earned it. He was a career bench player with the Wolves/Jazz, and will always be due to him being an inefficient chucker with no defense. You guys just love the “idea” of Beasley, when reality is a different story.

Simple as that. Rui should take his minutes at this point if anything.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:48 pm    Post subject:

Megaton wrote:
tox wrote:
Starters went down 10 bc we didn't have LeBron.


No, cause even with Lebron, we would be down 10. Let’s not have short memories like goldfish mmmkay?.

Based on what?

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No starting player ever gets -20 in…10 minutes. 10…freaking minutes…-20.

I don't think anyone is arguing Beasley had a good game but that's also the wrong role for him. He can't play in a lineup where he's expected to do any shot creation. The entire argument is that in a lineup next to LeBron, AD, and Russell, he wouldn't have to. Then he can do the thing he does best, but hopefully with lower degrees of difficulty on his 3s
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:26 am    Post subject:

Just cut Beas and Lonnie from the rotation and have two of Lebron/AD/Reaves/DLO on the floor at all times. Maybe pair Lebron/Reaves and AD/DLO to each play with the bench guys.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:04 am    Post subject:

Reaves is fine as a starter. But Ham needs to improve his rotations. You need one of Reaves or DLO out there with the second unit.

His rotations are really frustrating me. First half the second unit got killed. What does he do in the second half? He takes everybody out except AD (who was shooting free throws) all at once. If he wants to start Reaves, give him or DLO an early rest, and then bring them back in when the other guy goes out to run the second unit.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:56 am    Post subject:

Reaves should be the unquestioned starter.

You can stagger DLO, Lebron, AD, Reaves with the bench guys.

Beasley is just like Duncan Robinson, Hield and all those guys. When their shot isn’t falling, you just bench them.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:24 am    Post subject:

I don't mind Beasley starting with Lebron, Davis and Russell as long as Reaves plays 30 minutes plus.

A balanced roster is good for stability
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:33 am    Post subject:

defense wrote:
I don't mind Beasley starting with Lebron, Davis and Russell as long as Reaves plays 30 minutes plus.

A balanced roster is good for stability


Beasley has been awful. He should be relegated to blow outs at this point.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:11 am    Post subject:

LeBron, Dlo, Reaves - having 3 playmakers on the floor seems a bit much but it clearly works!

Ham should always have 2 playmakers on the floor always, so when he finally subs Schröder in, one of LeBron, Dlo, or Reaves should stay on the floor. His platoon subs last night was what threw away the lead.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:30 am    Post subject:

Reaves needs to max his minutes with the starters: it’s our best 5. These guys have hardly played together and we are talking about finding ways to reduced their combined minutes?
Walker give you some playmaking ability with the second unit, and that seems to be another concern.
I’ve seen the Beas movie before. Somehow I’m wishing for a different ending.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:43 am    Post subject:

They might be letting Reaves start in the same way the Dodgers let Urias pitch on opening day.

When you are trying to get someone to sign, if you can do something that doesn't hurt the team too much, you might as well do it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:16 pm    Post subject:

Start Reaves
Bench 1: AD / WG/ RUI /DLO/DS
Bench 2: WG/LBJ / RUI OR VANDO/ TBJ / DS


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:43 pm    Post subject:

Put me in the start and sub early camp.

Will Ham do that? He at one point had Lebron, AD, and D Lo all on the bench at the same time which is absurd, so I wouldn’t hold my breath
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:19 pm    Post subject:

1. Start Reaves - getting off to a good start is a big deal in every game.

2. Always have at least two of DLO, Lebron, AD and Reaves on the court of the same time.

3. Until Beasley prooves he can start making shots, play Walker instead (unless the specific matchup really dictates playing Beasley)

4. Once Bamba comes back, Bamba's/Rui's/Wenyen's minutes will depend on the matchup each game and/or who is better performing.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:28 pm    Post subject:

Lakers don’t really have a ball handler coming off the bench now, Schröder is not it, he’s a scorer.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:58 pm    Post subject:

Do Schroder and LeBron play well together?
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