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| I always liked his game. Great signing |
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Welcome to the Lakers Taurean Prince!!
I really like this signing.   |
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lar9149
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The fit is perfect.
The King needs a Prince. |
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LakerFan1987
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| Imagine a guy like Prince guarding Jamal Murray |
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gng930
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What's the scouting report on his guarding wings and bigger guards? I always had him more as a PF defender.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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For some reason, I see him playing half his minutes at power forward haha.
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When I look at these signings, I think to the fact that we’re probably going to see a lot of load management from LeBron James so it’s good that we have players that play that position that are actually quality
We do need to address the center position |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| gng930 wrote: | | What's the scouting report on his guarding wings and bigger guards? I always had him more as a PF defender. |
He’s really more of a wing and guards there well. He’s got some bulk a la Rui that lets him guard at four but he’s small there. You’re probably confused since it’s been a few years since we had an actual 3…
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| Omar Little wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | What's the scouting report on his guarding wings and bigger guards? I always had him more as a PF defender. |
He’s really more of a wing and guards there well. He’s got some bulk a la Rui that lets him guard at four but he’s small there. You’re probably confused since it’s been a few years since we had an actual 3… |
Can Prince effectively guard a guy like Jamal Murray, or guys like Beal, Booker or Jaylen Brown?
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| slavavov wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | What's the scouting report on his guarding wings and bigger guards? I always had him more as a PF defender. |
He’s really more of a wing and guards there well. He’s got some bulk a la Rui that lets him guard at four but he’s small there. You’re probably confused since it’s been a few years since we had an actual 3… |
Can Prince effectively guard a guy like Jamal Murray, or guys like Beal, Booker or Jaylen Brown? |
As well as most guys, it depends on your definition of effectively lol. No one can really shut down guys like that. |
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lakersfan32
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| he's the same height, weight, and wingspan as tbj with a much worse rebounding and turnover rate. i don't see how this is an upgrade |
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slavavov
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| Day wrote: | | slavavov wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | What's the scouting report on his guarding wings and bigger guards? I always had him more as a PF defender. |
He’s really more of a wing and guards there well. He’s got some bulk a la Rui that lets him guard at four but he’s small there. You’re probably confused since it’s been a few years since we had an actual 3… |
Can Prince effectively guard a guy like Jamal Murray, or guys like Beal, Booker or Jaylen Brown? |
As well as most guys, it depends on your definition of effectively lol. No one can really shut down guys like that. |
Of course you can't shut down guys like that. I'm talking about containing them and lowering their shooting percentages, taking away their preferred moves and that kind of thing.
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epic_
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| lakersfan32 wrote: | | he's the same height, weight, and wingspan as tbj with a much worse rebounding and turnover rate. i don't see how this is an upgrade |
It might just be a lateral moved. Which isn't a bad thing.
The money is pretty close too.
Prince does have a slight edge on wide open 3s and catch and shoot 3 % wise. Slight.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | What's the scouting report on his guarding wings and bigger guards? I always had him more as a PF defender. |
He’s really more of a wing and guards there well. He’s got some bulk a la Rui that lets him guard at four but he’s small there. You’re probably confused since it’s been a few years since we had an actual 3… |
Great news then. Can see Ham starting either him, Rui, or Vando at the other forward spot depending on the matchup and of course getting a lot of minutes altogether with Lebron's load managing.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | | lakersfan32 wrote: | | he's the same height, weight, and wingspan as tbj with a much worse rebounding and turnover rate. i don't see how this is an upgrade |
It might just be a lateral moved. Which isn't a bad thing.
The money is pretty close too.
Prince does have a slight edge on wide open 3s and catch and shoot 3 % wise. Slight. |
Prince is an inch taller with an inch longer wingspan per combine measurements. TBJ had an outlier shooting year playing off LeBron and AD. We’ll have to see how he does in Minnesota.
Prince is a career 37% three point shooter playing on mostly bad teams. Curious to see how he does getting the same looks as Brown got in LA.
Brown also likes to guard down a position. Prince guards up a position. That’s another difference. Whether that’s a better fit for what the Lakers need remains to be seen. |
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tox
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Not thrilled with this signing but ok for the BAE I guess |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Rob sure jumped on this....WTG!!! |
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ducasse
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All the comments I've seen from Wolves fans are they are disappointed to lose him.
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ducasse
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| epic_ wrote: | | lakersfan32 wrote: | | he's the same height, weight, and wingspan as tbj with a much worse rebounding and turnover rate. i don't see how this is an upgrade |
It might just be a lateral moved. Which isn't a bad thing.
The money is pretty close too.
Prince does have a slight edge on wide open 3s and catch and shoot 3 % wise. Slight. |
Is the slight edge from this past year or their careers? For his career Prince has been a level above TBJ from 3. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2023 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | Not thrilled with this signing but ok for the BAE I guess |
Why not? This is one of the best signings this free agency
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We will definitely playing a lot of 3 wing lineups now. Using small ball. Vanderbilt, Rui and Prince all in the same lineup when AD sits. Unlikely we opt to play a Center, instead we'll use more small ball approach.
It works defensively even if you run solid schemes in the RS. Where it hurts you is in specic match ups in the playoffs where teams can milk mismatches and expose certain weaknesses.
Overall I think when you look at Prince, he's listed as more of a 4 than a 3/2, and he has 3 point range. Seems like someone they feel can give them minutes next to AD, something Vanderbilt's lack of 3 point shot hurts. |
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| slavavov wrote: | | Day wrote: | | slavavov wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | gng930 wrote: | | What's the scouting report on his guarding wings and bigger guards? I always had him more as a PF defender. |
He’s really more of a wing and guards there well. He’s got some bulk a la Rui that lets him guard at four but he’s small there. You’re probably confused since it’s been a few years since we had an actual 3… |
Can Prince effectively guard a guy like Jamal Murray, or guys like Beal, Booker or Jaylen Brown? |
As well as most guys, it depends on your definition of effectively lol. No one can really shut down guys like that. |
Of course you can't shut down guys like that. I'm talking about containing them and lowering their shooting percentages, taking away their preferred moves and that kind of thing. |
Simple answer is no. There is a reason he was available day 1 for basically the min. Could make an argument that Cam has the skills and athleticism to be that guy but he has yet to show the talent to do it. As of now, we still don’t have that defender on this roster (IE a Alec C, Okogie, Matisse) etc that rated out as one of the better on ball defenders. We have a little more size across the 2/3 spots than we did last year but none of them I would consider quality defender |
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| LakersMD wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | lakersfan32 wrote: | | he's the same height, weight, and wingspan as tbj with a much worse rebounding and turnover rate. i don't see how this is an upgrade |
It might just be a lateral moved. Which isn't a bad thing.
The money is pretty close too.
Prince does have a slight edge on wide open 3s and catch and shoot 3 % wise. Slight. |
Prince is an inch taller with an inch longer wingspan per combine measurements. TBJ had an outlier shooting year playing off LeBron and AD. We’ll have to see how he does in Minnesota.
Prince is a career 37% three point shooter playing on mostly bad teams. Curious to see how he does getting the same looks as Brown got in LA.
Brown also likes to guard down a position. Prince guards up a position. That’s another difference. Whether that’s a better fit for what the Lakers need remains to be seen. |
Both these guys are actually 6'6" with no sneakers on and are pretty much
the same player. Bright lights will probably level the 3 pt shooting.
I had no problem with a defensive minded TBJ and have no problem with Prince.
In the end this move is a wash, Prince being older of the two.
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In the end this move is a wash, Prince being older of the two. |
While that's the most likely outcome I think there's a chance that Prince can be a tad better fit due to his veteran savvy and greater consistency - especially when it comes to the playoffs. |
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| ducasse wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | lakersfan32 wrote: | | he's the same height, weight, and wingspan as tbj with a much worse rebounding and turnover rate. i don't see how this is an upgrade |
It might just be a lateral moved. Which isn't a bad thing.
The money is pretty close too.
Prince does have a slight edge on wide open 3s and catch and shoot 3 % wise. Slight. |
Is the slight edge from this past year or their careers? For his career Prince has been a level above TBJ from 3. |
Last year.
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