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| governator wrote: | | lakersfan32 wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Would Austin/Rui/Gabe/3 1sts (and parting ways with DLo) for Trae Young be the worst trade in Lakers history? |
Duuuude?!? Why bring that up? Please don’t tell me someone considered it, as any thing other than the worse trade in Laker history. |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Would Austin/Rui/Gabe/3 1sts (and parting ways with DLo) for Trae Young be the worst trade in Lakers history? |
Duuuude?!? Why bring that up? Please don’t tell me someone considered it, as any thing other than the worse trade in Laker history. |
We’ve been linked to Trae in rumors for years and he’s reportedly an off season target. Pelinka has suggested they might use the 3 available 1sts this summer. Those are the contracts needed to match. If they want to pursue Young, the package is going to look something like that.
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| ocho wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Would Austin/Rui/Gabe/3 1sts (and parting ways with DLo) for Trae Young be the worst trade in Lakers history? |
Duuuude?!? Why bring that up? Please don’t tell me someone considered it, as any thing other than the worse trade in Laker history. |
We’ve been linked to Trae in rumors for years and he’s reportedly an off season target. Pelinka has suggested they might use the 3 available 1sts this summer. Those are the contracts needed to match. If they want to pursue Young, the package is going to look something like that. |
Trae + vando covering his guy would be awesome
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I wouldn’t want to lose rui.
If we trade for Trae can we keep Dlo?
Young
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AD
I’d consider it if that was the case.
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tox
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if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
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| tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
Duncan never generated the numbers that he did. Never ever let’s not compare them at all |
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| tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
Kobe said Athletes should never take anything less their value. I agree.
why take paycut when owners or even the league is making billions based on your name.
will you take a paycut in ur next job thats offered to you? its just silly to expect somebody else to take paycut. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/275246/LeBron-James-Expected-To-Opt-Out-Seek-No-Trade-Clause-In-Next-Contract-With-Lakers
This is not something you want to hear, no trade clause for a 40 year LeBron would be a awful move |
Nobody is trying a GOAT without them asking for it. If he re-signs, he wants to retire here and is okay with whatever happens. So a trade clause really means nothing other than making him feel good and the public feel his power. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/275246/LeBron-James-Expected-To-Opt-Out-Seek-No-Trade-Clause-In-Next-Contract-With-Lakers
This is not something you want to hear, no trade clause for a 40 year LeBron would be a awful move |
It doesn't mean we could never trade him, just that we couldn't trade him to a destination he doesn't prefer. Which is what the agreement is now implicitly anyway. This would just formalize that. |
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| tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
How would Lebron taking 20 million or 30 million help the Lakers add? They wouldn't gain significant cap space, just help ownership save tax money
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| tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
How could you logically, realistically, honestly, say that? That Lebron doesn’t provide enough to be a real contender? The way it looks to me the team would have been a real contender if they had just started Rui/AR/Dlo for the first 40 games with Lebron on the team as is. Then consider had they kept Schroeder (14.5ppg/6apg/38%3pt), or had Vincent provide what was expected, Vando not missed most of the season, even Wood being available now, it does look like the Lakers could be a contender with Lebron.
I thought the boo birds thinking it should be blown up because there was no chance of winning had gone extinct. Smgdh 
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
How could you logically, realistically, honestly, say that? That Lebron doesn’t provide enough to be a real contender? The way it looks to me the team would have been a real contender if they had just started Rui/AR/Dlo for the first 40 games with Lebron on the team as is. Then consider had they kept Schroeder (14.5ppg/6apg/38%3pt), or had Vincent provide what was expected, Vando not missed most of the season, even Wood being available now, it does look like the Lakers could be a contender with Lebron.
I thought the boo birds thinking it should be blown up because there was no chance of winning had gone extinct. Smgdh |
This team is a couple of steps away from being a contender, but the required changes have nothing to do with LeBron or AD. The people looking to trade them and blow it up are just in search of novelty. There's no guarantee you get a player at either of their calibers anytime in the next decade, let alone two on the same team with further teambuilding optionality. |
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| levon wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
How could you logically, realistically, honestly, say that? That Lebron doesn’t provide enough to be a real contender? The way it looks to me the team would have been a real contender if they had just started Rui/AR/Dlo for the first 40 games with Lebron on the team as is. Then consider had they kept Schroeder (14.5ppg/6apg/38%3pt), or had Vincent provide what was expected, Vando not missed most of the season, even Wood being available now, it does look like the Lakers could be a contender with Lebron.
I thought the boo birds thinking it should be blown up because there was no chance of winning had gone extinct. Smgdh |
This team is a couple of steps away from being a contender, but the required changes have nothing to do with LeBron or AD. The people looking to trade them and blow it up are just in search of novelty. There's no guarantee you get a player at either of their calibers anytime in the next decade, let alone two on the same team with further teambuilding optionality. |
I completely agree! Say we’re not a contender…I get that…I don’t think we are either. But to put it on LBJ/AD…nah man…it’s on Ham 1st for not going with the team Rob paid for in Dlo/AR/Rui. Then perhaps there’s enough blame to go around for Rob/Jeanie not acquiring in the off season or trade for at the deadline, a big back up C. Finally Injuries played a part as well but I thought LBJ and AD had proved they could compete for a ship against circumstances beyond their control.
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This team is a Top 4 team in the league if Ham doesn't punt that 3 week stretch in December to January. We've been playing like a contending team lately and we're still not fully healthy. Vando's been out most of the year and he changes things for us dramatically.
Sometimes you gotta look at trajectory as opposed to narrative.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/275246/LeBron-James-Expected-To-Opt-Out-Seek-No-Trade-Clause-In-Next-Contract-With-Lakers
This is not something you want to hear, no trade clause for a 40 year LeBron would be a awful move |
they would never trade him anyway. if he's ever getting traded its at his request so having that clause is really a moot point |
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| Does LeBron signing a contract extension hinged on a playoff run and Bronny getting drafted by the Lakers? He forgot to mention all that.. It does seem like Windhorst likes blowing stuff out of his ass a lot of times |
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| It makes perfect sen$e. LJ will get more money (any maybe tack on another year with a player option). He will be still have the luxury of getting traded if he wants to and not the Lakers. I don't think Bronny has anything to do with this. He is not going to get a commitment to get drafted in the 1st from any team (including the Lakers). He is entering the transfer portal (USC staff is completely different). He can still stay if he wants but he is leaving his options open. |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
Duncan never generated the numbers that he did. Never ever let’s not compare them at all |
It doesn't matter, I am not saying LeBron needs to take a paycut to $20M per year. Even $35M will make a big difference, if it means this team can keep depth without hitting the second apron |
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| CamReddish wrote: | | tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
How would Lebron taking 20 million or 30 million help the Lakers add? They wouldn't gain significant cap space, just help ownership save tax money |
Second apron. You're not gonna hard cap yourself to pay $6M to Max Christie a year, but what if then next year he becomes a viable 3&D guy? |
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| Bron2AD wrote: | | tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
Kobe said Athletes should never take anything less their value. I agree.
why take paycut when owners or even the league is making billions based on your name.
will you take a paycut in ur next job thats offered to you? its just silly to expect somebody else to take paycut. |
Because the salary cap also exists to maintain competitive balance... and the mechanism by which superstars like Kobe and LeBron won so much is by being way more valuable than the artificial limit imposed on the salary cap. LeBron is still good, maybe even $50M good, but he's not $70M good and that lack of excess value makes winning that much harder.
If Tim Duncan took market value in 2012 he would not have won in 2014 (and had a chance in 2013, 2016, or 2017 for that matter) |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
How could you logically, realistically, honestly, say that? That Lebron doesn’t provide enough to be a real contender? The way it looks to me the team would have been a real contender if they had just started Rui/AR/Dlo for the first 40 games with Lebron on the team as is. Then consider had they kept Schroeder (14.5ppg/6apg/38%3pt), or had Vincent provide what was expected, Vando not missed most of the season, even Wood being available now, it does look like the Lakers could be a contender with Lebron.
I thought the boo birds thinking it should be blown up because there was no chance of winning had gone extinct. Smgdh |
Almost every year the NBA champion is one of the frontrunners. The 2022 Warriors are one of the exceptions. The Lakers were a contender and had a shot much like the 2022 Warriors if they had some better health and better coaching. Do I think they were the favorites to even win the west over Denver? Probably not?
If you look ahead to next year, the Lakers will hit the second apron just keeping this roster IIUC. This roster has not shown dominance like regular season Celtics or postseason Nuggets (last year). Meanwhile Lebron & AD get another year older next year... and we might have a worse roster to boot if we can't keep Russell, Prince, Dinwiddie... maybe even Christie? |
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| tox wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | | tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
Kobe said Athletes should never take anything less their value. I agree.
why take paycut when owners or even the league is making billions based on your name.
will you take a paycut in ur next job thats offered to you? its just silly to expect somebody else to take paycut. |
Because the salary cap also exists to maintain competitive balance... and the mechanism by which superstars like Kobe and LeBron won so much is by being way more valuable than the artificial limit imposed on the salary cap. LeBron is still good, maybe even $50M good, but he's not $70M good and that lack of excess value makes winning that much harder.
If Tim Duncan took market value in 2012 he would not have won in 2014 (and had a chance in 2013, 2016, or 2017 for that matter) |
1 guy brain washed by pop. Kobe, Bron, Luka all athletes need to get paid their value.
Take less so the old bastards can make $$$. |
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| Bron2AD wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | | tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
Kobe said Athletes should never take anything less their value. I agree.
why take paycut when owners or even the league is making billions based on your name.
will you take a paycut in ur next job thats offered to you? its just silly to expect somebody else to take paycut. |
Because the salary cap also exists to maintain competitive balance... and the mechanism by which superstars like Kobe and LeBron won so much is by being way more valuable than the artificial limit imposed on the salary cap. LeBron is still good, maybe even $50M good, but he's not $70M good and that lack of excess value makes winning that much harder.
If Tim Duncan took market value in 2012 he would not have won in 2014 (and had a chance in 2013, 2016, or 2017 for that matter) |
1 guy brain washed by pop. Kobe, Bron, Luka all athletes need to get paid their value.
Take less so the old bastards can make $$$. |
I don't think Tim Duncan was brain washed. He is simply not that greedy or driven purely by ego. There are people out there that feel like they have enough money or can sacrifice for a greater goal you know. |
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| tox wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | tox wrote: | if LeBron wants to win he should take a pay cut
He's not that guy anymore, he doesn't provide enough excess value to be a real contender.
Take a page out of 2012 Duncan's book (or whenever he signed that cheaper deal) |
How could you logically, realistically, honestly, say that? That Lebron doesn’t provide enough to be a real contender? The way it looks to me the team would have been a real contender if they had just started Rui/AR/Dlo for the first 40 games with Lebron on the team as is. Then consider had they kept Schroeder (14.5ppg/6apg/38%3pt), or had Vincent provide what was expected, Vando not missed most of the season, even Wood being available now, it does look like the Lakers could be a contender with Lebron.
I thought the boo birds thinking it should be blown up because there was no chance of winning had gone extinct. Smgdh |
Almost every year the NBA champion is one of the frontrunners. The 2022 Warriors are one of the exceptions. The Lakers were a contender and had a shot much like the 2022 Warriors if they had some better health and better coaching. Do I think they were the favorites to even win the west over Denver? Probably not?
If you look ahead to next year, the Lakers will hit the second apron just keeping this roster IIUC. This roster has not shown dominance like regular season Celtics or postseason Nuggets (last year). Meanwhile Lebron & AD get another year older next year... and we might have a worse roster to boot if we can't keep Russell, Prince, Dinwiddie... maybe even Christie? |
All true but the contention is if it is Lebron’s impact that causes the lack of being a front runner. It’s not. Poor coaching and inefficient roster construction is the cause. With the way LBJ/AD are playing it looks like if the coach had just started Dlo/AR/Rui all season it would have made the Lakers #1 in the west.
Counting Clev as top 4 (just fell to 5th by a half game) in the East, the last 30 games had the Lakers playing half their games against top 4 seeds from both conferences. That is a more difficult schedule than the regular season. The Lakers have won 70% of the last 30 games. The following can be considered a stretch but also reasonable as well; the winning percentage would put the Lakers at 55 wins leading the West and 2nd best record in the league.
All that to say, it can be reasonably conceived that LBJ as a player on the Lakers should result in the Lakers being a front runner. Then, if you add in roster construction of keeping Schroeder and adding a big back up C, the team should be even better, perhaps amassing the best record in the NBA this season.
The bottom line is that LBJ is performing in a way that could result in the Lakers being a front runner, there are other factors that make that not the case so it’s not on him that the Lakers are 9th.
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