resign DLo. he was fine. not great, but definitely NOT a scrub. and we can not lose him for noting!
then yeah...see if there's a trade partner during the season.
we need a center!
I would like to get a center in the draft..its a deep center draft..love a Ware or Edey....I rather groom our centers and next reconstruct our role players..would love to get Monk or Heurter from Sac. Would love to get a Boge or find someone like VAndo or get Royce Oneal someone that can gaurd the perimeter or anyone that can grab a rebound. Bridges would be a nice pipe dream love NOP Troy Murphy..another pipe dream.
resign DLo. he was fine. not great, but definitely NOT a scrub. and we can not lose him for noting!
then yeah...see if there's a trade partner during the season.
we need a center!
I don’t think DLo has a lot of value in the league fair or not. The league is a copy cat league and DLo fits no mold really. At his best he’s a poor mans Steph. At his worst, he’s neutralized (by either his own team or the other) and floats around not doing much of anything. His ceiling is all star / all NBA. His floor is bench scorer / 3p volume shooter.
I say all that not because I hate DLo, I am actually a big fan, I say it because he’s worth more to the Lakers than any other team really. The Lakers have 2 stars, old stars that are way more expensive, so they need to fill out the roster with middle tier guys. I’m not sure there is a better middle tier guy than DLo out there. He is the ultimate ceiling raiser. When he’s on it’s like having another all star out there ALONG with all the other depth.
It will be interesting to see how the offseason goes tbh. I also agree that we need a center. Put Bron at the 3 and let AD gaurd the alpha wings. Should still be ok with our skill gaurds that are good enough jump shooters. The problem this year wasn’t efficiency, it was rebounding. No rebounds no rings.
In his exit interview he said "DLo had a very good season. Humbly speaking." and said he has put himself in a position to have some leverage. Sounds like he will push for a big, long term deal, and if LeBron comes back, the lakers will be capped out, and he will probably be the best player we can get.
I'm indifferent. If he comes back cool. If he doesn't cool too...
I feel we could be a better team with a different 2 guard, maybe even Christie.
Even if DLO walks who going to be PG? Christie cant play PG...Lebron? He not going to want to setup a offense eerytime down the court also he can be a TO walking when he gets tired and then what do you do when he sits?..who going to be the PG then?
I'm indifferent. If he comes back cool. If he doesn't cool too...
I feel we could be a better team with a different 2 guard, maybe even Christie.
Even if DLO walks who going to be PG? Christie cant play PG...Lebron? He not going to want to setup a offense eerytime down the court also he can be a TO walking when he gets tired and then what do you do when he sits?..who going to be the PG then?
They most likely trade for one… They still have AR/Gabe. Lebron is also an option.
The only reason you resign him is to trade him away. That’s it. Don’t want an immature, passive aggressive, un-athletic, choking PG who thinks he’s better than he is if you’re trying to win a chip. Need more of a D-Fish type of guy with more talent obviously.
Would love to somehow trade him away and get Donovan Mitchell somehow.
I'm indifferent. If he comes back cool. If he doesn't cool too...
I feel we could be a better team with a different 2 guard, maybe even Christie.
Even if DLO walks who going to be PG? Christie cant play PG...Lebron? He not going to want to setup a offense eerytime down the court also he can be a TO walking when he gets tired and then what do you do when he sits?..who going to be the PG then?
Russell is a half a pg, half a sg. We need a center and a 2 that can rebound, defend and hit an open shot. Someone that will do the dirty work. You can play Lebron, Reaves and Gabe at PG.
I'm indifferent. If he comes back cool. If he doesn't cool too...
I feel we could be a better team with a different 2 guard, maybe even Christie.
Even if DLO walks who going to be PG? Christie cant play PG...Lebron? He not going to want to setup a offense eerytime down the court also he can be a TO walking when he gets tired and then what do you do when he sits?..who going to be the PG then?
Russell is a half a pg, half a sg. We need a center and a 2 that can rebound, defend and hit an open shot. Someone that will do the dirty work. You can play Lebron, Reaves and Gabe at PG.
AR is not a pg..Ham already tried that. LBJ can but when he gets tired he going to turn the ball over alot and will auto go into ISO ball..seen in the playoffs and some in reg season when both AR and DLO was sent to the bench. Gabe? we dont know because hurt all year.
Get somebody if not DLO you need a real PG that can also stand up to LBJ..if not? the PG like every other PG is going to be driven to play catch and shoot. This is the only reason to really get Trey or Donavan Mitchell because those guys he not going to be able to force them into being just a Catch and Shoot player. If he makes them that? Its a wrap for this team for years to come..smh.. Hello PHX noman's land.
I'm indifferent. If he comes back cool. If he doesn't cool too...
I feel we could be a better team with a different 2 guard, maybe even Christie.
Even if DLO walks who going to be PG? Christie cant play PG...Lebron? He not going to want to setup a offense eerytime down the court also he can be a TO walking when he gets tired and then what do you do when he sits?..who going to be the PG then?
Russell is a half a pg, half a sg. We need a center and a 2 that can rebound, defend and hit an open shot. Someone that will do the dirty work. You can play Lebron, Reaves and Gabe at PG.
AR is not a pg..Ham already tried that. LBJ can but when he gets tired he going to turn the ball over alot and will auto go into ISO ball..seen in the playoffs and some in reg season when both AR and DLO was sent to the bench. Gabe? we dont know because hurt all year.
Get somebody if not DLO you need a real PG that can also stand up to LBJ..if not? the PG like every other PG is going to be driven to play catch and shoot. This is the only reason to really get Trey or Donavan Mitchell because those guys he not going to be able to force them into being just a Catch and Shoot player. If he makes them that? Its a wrap for this team for years to come..smh.. Hello PHX noman's land.
I disagree... I think it can work quite well if you have someone more well rounded than Reddish or Prince. Also need a decent center. It's a package deal.
I'm indifferent. If he comes back cool. If he doesn't cool too...
I feel we could be a better team with a different 2 guard, maybe even Christie.
Even if DLO walks who going to be PG? Christie cant play PG...Lebron? He not going to want to setup a offense eerytime down the court also he can be a TO walking when he gets tired and then what do you do when he sits?..who going to be the PG then?
Russell is a half a pg, half a sg. We need a center and a 2 that can rebound, defend and hit an open shot. Someone that will do the dirty work. You can play Lebron, Reaves and Gabe at PG.
AR is not a pg..Ham already tried that. LBJ can but when he gets tired he going to turn the ball over alot and will auto go into ISO ball..seen in the playoffs and some in reg season when both AR and DLO was sent to the bench. Gabe? we dont know because hurt all year.
Get somebody if not DLO you need a real PG that can also stand up to LBJ..if not? the PG like every other PG is going to be driven to play catch and shoot. This is the only reason to really get Trey or Donavan Mitchell because those guys he not going to be able to force them into being just a Catch and Shoot player. If he makes them that? Its a wrap for this team for years to come..smh.. Hello PHX noman's land.
I disagree... I think it can work quite well if you have someone more well rounded than Reddish or Prince. Also need a decent center. It's a package deal.
If you talking about getting another All-Star you are saying ..im fine with 3 people ONLY scoring...You will have no bench and the other two players starting will be one year rentals..sooo...thats right back to WB trade players.
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:09 pm Post subject:
Does anyone have an explanation for why DLO disappears every playoffs? And why despite all his talent and basketball IQ, he has never been able to become a legitimate star? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Does anyone have an explanation for why DLO disappears every playoffs? And why despite all his talent and basketball IQ, he has never been able to become a legitimate star?
You are asking a 3rd option that is a PG to be a catch and shoot player. Thats really not a PG...well not to me..You are asking him who needs the ball in his hands to be stand in the corner and just shoot threes..thats really not good. Some of this is the fault of a coach and the other is LBJ who naturally can go into ISO ball. This is why you might see in games all the players just standing around..no cuts no nothing.
Wjy he disappears in every playoffs? Well did he dissapear in Game 1 or Game 3 or Game 5? Because he was active in each one of those. Or do you mean the play-in? Nope he was active in that one too..hmmm then do you mean the 1st Tourney? Nooo he played well in that too....
hmmm maybe you mean last year when we played Minn? nope he played in that one too...I KNOW! You must mean the Mem playoffs? THATS THE ONE!!..NO? No he played well in that series also...GSW? Nope he played active and showed up in that series.
Ohhh you must def mean DEN who eventualy became the Champs last year...welp you mght hav to ask our coach why he dissapeared..But then can i ask you then why couldnt your coach set plays for hin to do screens and cuts with our Centers? Why no adjustments to get hin involved?
Ohh yeah your last question..If he stayed with the Nets he would have been just fine and would have continued to go to the All stars or carry the team to the playoffs..however it wasnt in the cards..as he has been sometimes fated with trades for KD. However if i was him regardless i would not pick up the option from here and really go to a team that maybe low to mid-tier and get with a coach that actually has some brain cells and know how to run set plays and allows him to have a true green light on calling plays and happy if they get to the playoffs. Eventually the team can build and grow and not have some star that loves to play ISO all day..but thats just me.
Does anyone have an explanation for why DLO disappears every playoffs? And why despite all his talent and basketball IQ, he has never been able to become a legitimate star?
His lack of athleticism affects what he can do.
He can't dribble drive against elite defenders, leaving him too reliant on shooting over people. Think about the kinds of shots he typically has to make. He's shooting right above defenders a lot of the time.
On defense, he has no lateral quickness. His instincts sometimes help him out on that end, but it's not enough with the amount of great guards in the league today. He can be targeted sometimes.
What makes it worse is that AR has a lot of the same issues.
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:10 pm Post subject:
I don't want DLO back. But I don't want to lose him for nothing either.
Tough situation.
I don't want him back because his playoffs stats are what they are. Bad. His whole career. And if we overpay to keep him on a long term deal. He'll be difficult to trade away.
But if we lose him for nothing. That cap space is gone. And we can't use it to improve the team.
We'll see what his market is. PG is the deepest position in the league. Ideally we can bring him back on a short term deal. And sell high on his value with a regular season trade. He does ball out in the regular season for us. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Does anyone have an explanation for why DLO disappears every playoffs? And why despite all his talent and basketball IQ, he has never been able to become a legitimate star?
His lack of athleticism affects what he can do.
He can't dribble drive against elite defenders, leaving him too reliant on shooting over people. Think about the kinds of shots he typically has to make. He's shooting right above defenders a lot of the time.
On defense, he has no lateral quickness. His instincts sometimes help him out on that end, but it's not enough with the amount of great guards in the league today. He can be targeted sometimes.
What makes it worse is that AR has a lot of the same issues.
Yes and No. Ar is not the most athletic guard but the difference between DLO and Ar is the willingness to take contact. Ar's problem is more strength than speed. Dlo's is both. Ar has good instincts defensively but he simply gets bullied.
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:38 pm Post subject:
Japago wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Does anyone have an explanation for why DLO disappears every playoffs? And why despite all his talent and basketball IQ, he has never been able to become a legitimate star?
His lack of athleticism affects what he can do.
He can't dribble drive against elite defenders, leaving him too reliant on shooting over people. Think about the kinds of shots he typically has to make. He's shooting right above defenders a lot of the time.
On defense, he has no lateral quickness. His instincts sometimes help him out on that end, but it's not enough with the amount of great guards in the league today. He can be targeted sometimes.
What makes it worse is that AR has a lot of the same issues.
He's an offensive specialist. Not a + on defense or on the glass despite his size at his position. So if he isn't contributing offensively. It gets really bad. His floor is really low.
On offense, if he doesn't get a screen he's not getting much separation from whomever is guarding him. But I can't really blame his athleticism for his shooting splits. He just bricks open shots in the playoffs. Shots he makes in the regular season.
There's something going on mentally with him in the postseason. Especially against Denver. And there's no evidence that will change in the future. At this point in his career. He is what he is.
AR isn't a good defender. But less hunted than DLO in the playoffs. The last 2 playoffs he's performed better than DLO. And last years playoffs. He was faaaaar better than DLO has ever been in the playoffs. And he gets to the FT line. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
I get people in this thread wanted DLO to be on ball more this playoffs.
But the stats tell a different story. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Does anyone have an explanation for why DLO disappears every playoffs? And why despite all his talent and basketball IQ, he has never been able to become a legitimate star?
His lack of athleticism affects what he can do.
He can't dribble drive against elite defenders, leaving him too reliant on shooting over people. Think about the kinds of shots he typically has to make. He's shooting right above defenders a lot of the time.
On defense, he has no lateral quickness. His instincts sometimes help him out on that end, but it's not enough with the amount of great guards in the league today. He can be targeted sometimes.
What makes it worse is that AR has a lot of the same issues.
Yes and No. Ar is not the most athletic guard but the difference between DLO and Ar is the willingness to take contact. Ar's problem is more strength than speed. Dlo's is both. Ar has good instincts defensively but he simply gets bullied.
People always talk about how hard it should be for DLO to get his shot off and bash his athleticism.
Then he puts up 18 points as a third option while shooting the highest percentage from three of any high volume shooter in the league
If it was so 'hard' for him, he wouldn't be doing it so efficiently better than the 'more athletic gets shot easier' guards now would he.
And then even when put into an off-ball role instead of a point guard role he excels at and took more spot up threes...
Quote:
Cranjis McBasketball
@Tim_NBA
Spot Up 3P% this series:
DLo: 46%
Everyone else: 18%
DLo has 6 made 3s and the rest of the team combined has 7.
He was still the best one on the team.
Perhaps ya'll should retire those irrelevant talking points and additionally stop taking him for granted.
Face facts. DLO's the only point guard in the league as skilled and talented as he is that can both excel at point guard for us AND excel as a high volume three point shooter, whether off-ball or on, when LeBron is deciding to take over games and play LeBron-Ball. DLO's the only player we've got or could have, that can fit into both roles, and do so efficiently and effectively.
All the stuff ya'll wanted Westbrook to be when he came to the Lakers, when ya'll convinced yourselves he'd work on his off-ball three point shooting and be less selfish and more accepting of whatever role came his way? That's who DLO actually was. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:04 pm Post subject:
MJST wrote:
Quote:
Cranjis McBasketball
@Tim_NBA
Spot Up 3P% this series:
DLo: 46%
Everyone else: 18%
DLo has 6 made 3s and the rest of the team combined has 7.
He was still the best one on the team.
Perhaps ya'll should retire those irrelevant talking points and additionally stop taking him for granted.
Face facts. DLO's the only point guard in the league as skilled and talented as he is that can both excel at point guard for us AND excel as a high volume three point shooter, whether off-ball or on, when LeBron is deciding to take over games and play LeBron-Ball. DLO's the only player we've got or could have, that can fit into both roles, and do so efficiently and effectively.
All the stuff ya'll wanted Westbrook to be when he came to the Lakers, when ya'll convinced yourselves he'd work on his off-ball three point shooting and be less selfish and more accepting of whatever role came his way? That's who DLO actually was.
DLO at 25% from the field and 25% from 3
Bron at 43.8% from the field and 46.7% from 3.
Rui at 35.7% from the field and 35.7% from 3.
Dinwiddie at 28.6% from the field and 28.6% from 3.
And Prince at 36.4% from the field and 30% from 3.
DLO was better than Reaves though. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:07 pm Post subject:
Japago wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Does anyone have an explanation for why DLO disappears every playoffs? And why despite all his talent and basketball IQ, he has never been able to become a legitimate star?
His lack of athleticism affects what he can do.
He can't dribble drive against elite defenders, leaving him too reliant on shooting over people. Think about the kinds of shots he typically has to make. He's shooting right above defenders a lot of the time.
On defense, he has no lateral quickness. His instincts sometimes help him out on that end, but it's not enough with the amount of great guards in the league today. He can be targeted sometimes.
What makes it worse is that AR has a lot of the same issues.
Where did the Harden level athleticism comparison ever come from? Harden is strong and had the same vertical as DeDozan during the draft combine. He also has 98th percentile first step acceleration in the league. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Does anyone have an explanation for why DLO disappears every playoffs? And why despite all his talent and basketball IQ, he has never been able to become a legitimate star?
His lack of athleticism affects what he can do.
He can't dribble drive against elite defenders, leaving him too reliant on shooting over people. Think about the kinds of shots he typically has to make. He's shooting right above defenders a lot of the time.
On defense, he has no lateral quickness. His instincts sometimes help him out on that end, but it's not enough with the amount of great guards in the league today. He can be targeted sometimes.
What makes it worse is that AR has a lot of the same issues.
Where did the Harden level athleticism comparison ever come from? Harden is strong and had the same vertical as DeDozan during the draft combine. He also has 98th percentile first step acceleration in the league.
Because people assume if someone 'can't dunk like Vince Carter or Westbrook' that they are non athletic. It's the same people that think that Jokic or Luka is non athletic because they aren't high leapers. They don't get that athleticism is more than just how high someone can jump. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
If we could get D’Lo back on a similar deal / rate to what he gets now that’d be cool, not sure how likely that would be. _________________ Lakers, Chargers, Dodgers, Arsenal FC.
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 2:02 am Post subject:
D'Lo is a good player (mostly in the regular season), but another problem he has is he can't create pace. LeBron is our only player who can create pace, and he has to pick and choose when he does it because of how much mileage he has.
We need a scoring, facilitating PG who can also create pace. That would make life easier for LeBron (if he stays) and others. That's why some of us have been interested in Dejounte Murray. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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