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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:44 am Post subject:
ContagiousInspiration wrote:
He can run for president if charged with a Felony but not if found guilty of a felony, is that correct?
Trump can still run for President if he's convicted of felony and even if he's serving time in prison for it. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant
NY cops in riot gear and barricades being deployed. Indictment expected sometime between tonight and Wednesday. No news on if/when/how Trump will turn himself in for processing.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:32 am Post subject:
There will be far more revelers celebrating the arrest than any rioters
They should have bombed Mar-a-largo when he wouldn't give top secret documents back and we would've been done with him
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:38 pm Post subject:
I have a feeling nothing is going to happen to Trump.
It will only fuel his psycho, toothless, brainless, MAGA morons.
I hope this is not the kind of things that equates to nothing and gives him more power to run and win the election in 2024.
His followers are all brain dead and are maniacs that worship this turd.
God help us all.
And let's hope there are more serious charges coming. This one seems like a slap on the wrist. I want to see some hardcore charges!!!!
(House GOP moves to discredit Manhattan DA ahead of potential Trump indictment)
Quote:
House Republican Reps. Jim Jordan, James Comer and Bryan Steil — chairmen of three of the most powerful House committees — sent a letter to Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg calling for his testimony before their panels and criticizing his investigation into former President Donald Trump as an “unprecedented abuse of prosecutorial authority.”
"Arrested" is different than "convicted" and "jail time." Simply being arrested isn't enough to make a dent in Trump's lifestyle. That's what we skeptics are referring to when we say we doubt he'll be "punished."
He'll turn it into a badge of honor, highlighting it as proof of his persecution at the hands of the evil, criminal left.
Sadly, given that he will most likely never be successfully prosecuted, he will appear to be correct . . . just a which hunt that went nowhere.
I'd take it. I'd rather the scenario you described over the current situation.
Felt the same way leading up to Trump's 1st impeachment.
Just like right now. Trump clearly broke the law. And he was impeached by the House for it. Even though the House knew Trump wouldn't be convicted by the Senate.
GOOD! It's fair to compare arresting him now to impeaching him then. It's fair to say proceeding is ceremonial knowing the result (no conviction). You could even argue it is a net negative. But in my view, there has to be at least some resistance to blatant criminality. There has to be pushback. I can't accept the status quo of Trump (bleep) slapping the justice system.
I think he should have been arrested a long time ago for the much more significant crimes against the nation he has committed rather than this pointless crime. That's why I have been railing against Garland's cowardice for the last couple of years. Far too little has been done for far too long now.
So, I'm not arguing that he shouldn't be arrested, I am simply pointing to the dynamic that is going to result if he is (which I still have my doubts). I'm also kind of wondering he made this whole Tuesday arrest thing up as a pre-emptive to move; he gets his cult all worked up, they show up to protest and rally support, then there's no arrest tomorrow and then he uses that as an opportunity to try and project how powerful he is, "see folks . . . they are scared of me and you great people. They are cowards, they know I have done nothing wrong! You showed them they should not mess with me and all of you terrific people! They know I will win again and they are making things up to try and stop it!" It would be so on brand.
I'm not going to argue whether this particular crime is pointless or not. It's obviously lesser than many of his other crimes. However the one thing that makes this one different -- this one can't be pardoned, not by Trump or any other GOP president (and Michael Cohen already served time for the central crime). That alone makes it worth prosecuting, IMO.
Plus the crime is not "paying off a porn star" as the media keeps repeating. The crime was laundering payments through his business on fraudulent grounds that included cooking the books, tax fraud and campaign finance violations. In that sense it's a textbook Trump crime. Lying, fraud, cooking the books and underpaying taxes.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:07 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
kikanga wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
"Arrested" is different than "convicted" and "jail time." Simply being arrested isn't enough to make a dent in Trump's lifestyle. That's what we skeptics are referring to when we say we doubt he'll be "punished."
He'll turn it into a badge of honor, highlighting it as proof of his persecution at the hands of the evil, criminal left.
Sadly, given that he will most likely never be successfully prosecuted, he will appear to be correct . . . just a which hunt that went nowhere.
I'd take it. I'd rather the scenario you described over the current situation.
Felt the same way leading up to Trump's 1st impeachment.
Just like right now. Trump clearly broke the law. And he was impeached by the House for it. Even though the House knew Trump wouldn't be convicted by the Senate.
GOOD! It's fair to compare arresting him now to impeaching him then. It's fair to say proceeding is ceremonial knowing the result (no conviction). You could even argue it is a net negative. But in my view, there has to be at least some resistance to blatant criminality. There has to be pushback. I can't accept the status quo of Trump (bleep) slapping the justice system.
I think he should have been arrested a long time ago for the much more significant crimes against the nation he has committed rather than this pointless crime. That's why I have been railing against Garland's cowardice for the last couple of years. Far too little has been done for far too long now.
So, I'm not arguing that he shouldn't be arrested, I am simply pointing to the dynamic that is going to result if he is (which I still have my doubts). I'm also kind of wondering he made this whole Tuesday arrest thing up as a pre-emptive to move; he gets his cult all worked up, they show up to protest and rally support, then there's no arrest tomorrow and then he uses that as an opportunity to try and project how powerful he is, "see folks . . . they are scared of me and you great people. They are cowards, they know I have done nothing wrong! You showed them they should not mess with me and all of you terrific people! They know I will win again and they are making things up to try and stop it!" It would be so on brand.
I'm not going to argue whether this particular crime is pointless or not. It's obviously lesser than many of his other crimes. However the one thing that makes this one different -- this one can't be pardoned, not by Trump or any other GOP president (and Michael Cohen already served time for the central crime). That alone makes it worth prosecuting, IMO.
Plus the crime is not "paying off a porn star" as the media keeps repeating. The crime was laundering payments through his business on fraudulent grounds that included cooking the books, tax fraud and campaign finance violations. In that sense it's a textbook Trump crime. Lying, fraud, cooking the books and underpaying taxes.
So, ChefLinda, what do you think happens tomorrow? Does he truly get arrested? Does he show up? I mean, I hear he won't show, will show...what do you think happens?
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:51 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
kikanga wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
"Arrested" is different than "convicted" and "jail time." Simply being arrested isn't enough to make a dent in Trump's lifestyle. That's what we skeptics are referring to when we say we doubt he'll be "punished."
He'll turn it into a badge of honor, highlighting it as proof of his persecution at the hands of the evil, criminal left.
Sadly, given that he will most likely never be successfully prosecuted, he will appear to be correct . . . just a which hunt that went nowhere.
I'd take it. I'd rather the scenario you described over the current situation.
Felt the same way leading up to Trump's 1st impeachment.
Just like right now. Trump clearly broke the law. And he was impeached by the House for it. Even though the House knew Trump wouldn't be convicted by the Senate.
GOOD! It's fair to compare arresting him now to impeaching him then. It's fair to say proceeding is ceremonial knowing the result (no conviction). You could even argue it is a net negative. But in my view, there has to be at least some resistance to blatant criminality. There has to be pushback. I can't accept the status quo of Trump (bleep) slapping the justice system.
I think he should have been arrested a long time ago for the much more significant crimes against the nation he has committed rather than this pointless crime. That's why I have been railing against Garland's cowardice for the last couple of years. Far too little has been done for far too long now.
So, I'm not arguing that he shouldn't be arrested, I am simply pointing to the dynamic that is going to result if he is (which I still have my doubts). I'm also kind of wondering he made this whole Tuesday arrest thing up as a pre-emptive to move; he gets his cult all worked up, they show up to protest and rally support, then there's no arrest tomorrow and then he uses that as an opportunity to try and project how powerful he is, "see folks . . . they are scared of me and you great people. They are cowards, they know I have done nothing wrong! You showed them they should not mess with me and all of you terrific people! They know I will win again and they are making things up to try and stop it!" It would be so on brand.
I'm not going to argue whether this particular crime is pointless or not. It's obviously lesser than many of his other crimes. However the one thing that makes this one different -- this one can't be pardoned, not by Trump or any other GOP president (and Michael Cohen already served time for the central crime). That alone makes it worth prosecuting, IMO.
Plus the crime is not "paying off a porn star" as the media keeps repeating. The crime was laundering payments through his business on fraudulent grounds that included cooking the books, tax fraud and campaign finance violations. In that sense it's a textbook Trump crime. Lying, fraud, cooking the books and underpaying taxes.
I'd just like to add. Someone threatened Stromy and her infant's life over this. Someone who obviously worked for Trump or one of his fixers.
Quote:
Adult film star Stormy Daniels said in a Sunday interview that seven years ago she was threatened by a man when she was trying to sell her story about her alleged affair with Donald Trump.
...
She continued, “And a guy walked up on me and said to me, ‘Leave Trump alone. Forget the story.’ And then he leaned around and looked at my daughter and said, ‘That’s a beautiful little girl. It’d be a shame if something happened to her mom.’ And then he was gone.”
I'm just bringing this up. Because I had to do the same at work today, when someone tried to minimize this case. I know it isn't one of the charges you listed CL. I know Trump has done worse. But Trump's criminality in regards to Stormy is heinous. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:22 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
I'm not going to argue whether this particular crime is pointless or not.
I'm speaking in the grand scheme of all the crimes he has committed, and in regards to the small level of consequences involved for him compared to those; to borrow your words from a few days ago, "This is like a mob boss getting a ticket for driving with expired plates."
He'll never see a moment of prison time for this. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:24 pm Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
I'd just like to add. Someone threatened Stromy and her infant's life over this. Someone who obviously worked for Trump or one of his fixers.
Sure, we know that. But knowing that, and proving that in court are two entirely different things. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
(New: Trump lawyers file to end Georgia criminal probe)
Quote:
As former President Trump braces for possible indictment in New York. Trump's defense team in Georgia filed a motion contesting Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis's investigation. It is the first official filing by Trump's team in this investigation. MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber reports on the questions, because at this moment there are still no charges for Trump's team to fight and why Trump's legal team could possibly be trying to get ahead of what they perceive to be charges on the horizon.
(‘Panic’: Trump melting down over imminent ‘arrest’ says star witness Cohen)
Quote:
Michael Cohen appears on “The Beat” moments after Trump ally Bob Costello testifies before a New York grand jury and speaks about it in a press conference. Cohen responds to Costello, shredding his claims and also responds to Trump defense lawyer Joe Tacopina’s hush money defense. Cohen, who is Trump’s former personal lawyer says Trump predicting his own indictment is “panic and fear” because “he knows what's coming down the pipe.
Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity have very different opinions about the U.S. should be handling the war between Russia and Ukraine. Ana Kasparian discusses on The Young Turks.
"SEAN HANNITY (HOST): None other than America's hostile enemies now. They have no fear or respect for Joe Biden. Not China, not Iran and definitely not Russia. Now, Putin's thugs, as we talked about last night, they took down a US Reaper drone over international waters which, in most cases, most presidents would view as an act of war. There would be some military response. What did Biden do in response? Pretty much nothing -- actually, worse than nothing.
The White House started to make excuses for Putin's risky behavior. They called it an accident. Really? Anyone here believe that it's an accident? Now, probably was -- they said "It's probably unintentional." They said "It probably was the result of a profound incompetence of these Russian pilots." Does anybody here believe that there are incompetent fighter jet pilots that not once, but twice dumped jet fuel on top of our drone, and then took it out of the sky? I don't believe that."
So, ChefLinda, what do you think happens tomorrow? Does he truly get arrested? Does he show up? I mean, I hear he won't show, will show...what do you think happens?
I think his lawyers will negotiate a time to go in for processing. They'll whisk him in and out the back door. Unless Trump himself breaks the plan and instead of getting in the car to leave he goes out on the court steps to the microphone to rant in typical Trump fashion (which I'm sure his attorneys advised against). 50/50. If the judge is smart they'll immediately slap a gag order on him to prevent this very thing.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:33 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
So, ChefLinda, what do you think happens tomorrow? Does he truly get arrested? Does he show up? I mean, I hear he won't show, will show...what do you think happens?
I think his lawyers will negotiate a time to go in for processing. They'll whisk him in and out the back door. Unless Trump himself breaks the plan and instead of getting in the car to leave he goes out on the court steps to the microphone to rant in typical Trump fashion (which I'm sure his attorneys advised against). 50/50. If the judge is smart they'll immediately slap a gag order on him to prevent this very thing.
What about charges? A big nothing burger?
When are the bigger indictments coming?
Garland and Jack Smith asleep at the wheel.
They are all separate cases. The Manhattan case will be some combo of campaign finance violations. money laundering, tax fraud (as I explained above). That may be a "nothing burger" for Trump but it's a huge deal for most regular people charged with that kind of thing,
The Georgia case probably is the next one to be filed (about illegally trying to influence/intimidate state officials, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, who knows). I think the DOJ eventually indicts (or should indict) and includes a laundry list of all his federal crimes (stealing top secret documents, conspiring to commit insurrection, intimidating witnesses, obstruction of justice, etc.). They have to do it before election season if they are going to do it.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:00 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
kikanga wrote:
I'd just like to add. Someone threatened Stromy and her infant's life over this. Someone who obviously worked for Trump or one of his fixers.
Sure, we know that. But knowing that, and proving that in court are two entirely different things.
Very true.
That's why RICO was passed.
Also why we locked up mobsters on tax evasion if nothing else could stick. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:04 pm Post subject:
Its funny when my coworker tried to defend Trump today. And I just told him, "do you think the justice system would think twice about locking up you or me, if we pulled the same stuff Trump did?"
His response was. Well he was President. What if it was Obama (since I'm AA, he thought he checkmated me)?
I replied, "Obama?" "The guy who had to show his birth certificate to effectively perform the highest office in the world?" "The guy who had to apologize for his minister (who in retrospect wasn't 1/2 as appalling as Trump)?"
"The guy who had to be the squeakiest, cleanest, President ever because the skin color he was born with?" "That Obama?" "Wore a tan suit and Republicans lost their mind, Obama"?
Needless to say. He shut up. Which gave me ample time to go into how President doesn't mean king. Doesn't give a free pass to criminality for life, etc. etc. etc.
And honestly, that last part is the only thing more dangerous than Trump.Precedent. We can't let blatant Republican Presidential criminality slide.
You give the GOP an inch. They'll take a mile.
We aren't just fighting to keep Trump's criminality in check. We're fight to shut the door as closed as possible on Republicans moving forward. Because they do look up to Trump. And they will try to push forward the belief that Republican Presidents are (and should be) above the law moving forward, indefinitely. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:04 pm Post subject:
anth2000 wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
So, ChefLinda, what do you think happens tomorrow? Does he truly get arrested? Does he show up? I mean, I hear he won't show, will show...what do you think happens?
I think his lawyers will negotiate a time to go in for processing. They'll whisk him in and out the back door. Unless Trump himself breaks the plan and instead of getting in the car to leave he goes out on the court steps to the microphone to rant in typical Trump fashion (which I'm sure his attorneys advised against). 50/50. If the judge is smart they'll immediately slap a gag order on him to prevent this very thing.
What about charges? A big nothing burger?
When are the bigger indictments coming?
Garland and Jack Smith asleep at the wheel.
I really doubt there will bigger indictments down the road. The longer it goes without them, the more that is likely to be the case. Smith is resistant to indict for the same reason Garland was; fear of failing to be able to convict. Not that a case can’t be made, but actually getting a conviction is a tricky thing.
Trumps best course of action (though one his ego would resist) is to quietly agree to turn himself in for processing and then issue a basic statement via his lawyers, stating he is confident that he has done nothing wrong, and that it will be proven in trial. Encouraging a mass protest outside the NY courthouse only fuels the fire that he is out of control instigating unrest similar to what he did leading up to 1/6. That won’t help him with moderate republicans, if there even is such a thing anymore. That said, hit ego and stupidity won’t allow him to do the strategically smart thing.
I’m very interested in what all this prep work and alert by the NYPD means. Clearly they are anticipating something happening tomorrow that is more problematic than him simply turning himself in. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
NY is trying to prevent another 1/6. But this time Trump's supporters have seen their 1/6 compatriots tried, convicted and thrown in jail and their lord & savior Trump didn't do squat to protect them. Now they are warning each other to stay home because they think the FBI is setting a trap for them. They even think "antifa" will show up dressed like MAGAs in order to get MAGAs in trouble. It's a weird world out there.
I don't think there will be any immediate, significant protests. More likely some loan wolf does something stupid in the near future.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:16 pm Post subject:
FernieBee wrote:
MSNBC
(New: Trump lawyers file to end Georgia criminal probe)
Quote:
As former President Trump braces for possible indictment in New York. Trump's defense team in Georgia filed a motion contesting Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis's investigation. It is the first official filing by Trump's team in this investigation. MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber reports on the questions, because at this moment there are still no charges for Trump's team to fight and why Trump's legal team could possibly be trying to get ahead of what they perceive to be charges on the horizon.
these people .. I just wish this was a SIMS game instead of reality
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:17 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
NY is trying to prevent another 1/6. But this time Trump's supporters have seen their 1/6 compatriots tried, convicted and thrown in jail and their lord & savior Trump didn't do squat to protect them. Now they are warning each other to stay home because they think the FBI is setting a trap for them. They even think "antifa" will show up dressed like MAGAs in order to get MAGAs in trouble. It's a weird world out there.
I don't think there will be any immediate, significant protests. More likely some loan wolf does something stupid in the near future.
More evidence, that prosecution works.
Trump can put on a brave face. Portray himself as a martyr. But whether he shows it or not. Getting arrested and charged will hurt him whether he admits it or not.
Martyrs are satisfied because they believe in a greater cause. Trump believes the world revolves around him. And his happiness is the only cause that matters. Him being removed from his gold plated apartment and sat in a cell is a travesty in his mind that he would blow up the whole world over to avoid.
And to be honest, I think this doesn't matter much in terms of his electability. The vast majority of voters have already made up their mind on him one way or another. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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these people .. 
I just wish this was a SIMS game instead of reality
