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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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^Whiteside has enough moves in the post and can get off the shot anytime he wants. He just never developed any court awareness to make reads when he gets doubled.
That's on him. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Emphatic no. He can't play in today's NBA. |
Yep.
Whiteside is exactly the reason why the league is going away from "traditional" bigs, whether it's post or PnR or even a midrange shot in the halfcourt. Randle can stay on the floor because he can pass and grab and go off defensive boards, on offense; then elite switchability on D. Whiteside? 1 position, both ends.
Whiteside is the guy that can help you get 2 to 5 wins during the regular season because he's still a premier swat threat. After that? Nu uh. Lopez is more valuable. |
I'd rather have Wayne Ellington _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
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cyborgspider Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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BigBallerBrand wrote: | Lonzo
Kawhi
PG
Randle
Whiteside
Ingram
Lopez (cheap contract)
KCP (cheap contract)
That is a solid defensive team? |
KCP's not accepting a cheap contract. Kawhi's not coming to the Lakers for just Kuz. He's a terrible fit and weaker mentally than Boogie (with a quarter of the talent). This isn't NBA 2K. Everybody on this board with a semblance of basketball knowledge or emotional intelligence have destroyed this idea.
So... I guess that'd be a "no" |
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Wilkes52 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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I can't find much to recommend the deal.
First, it makes no sense for The HEAT to take on Deng for his skills or for his contract, so as a practical matter the deal is essentially a dead duck at the door with the potential trading partner.
Second, Whiteside gets in the way of running most forms of the Laker five threat offense. He occupies space inside on offense and in doing so blunts Ingram's most powerful threat, a drive-pass-shoot option on the way from the perimeter to the rim. HW can barely read an offensive possession and worse, can barely catch-n-pass well enough to move the ball quickly enough along to the next option. He cannot shoot outside 10' from the rim, so his presence inside also diminishes Randle's main scoring threat, his improvisational work inside ten feet. _________________ “These GOAT discussions are fun distractions while sitting around waiting for the pizza to be served.”
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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I don't want either one! |
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trablos Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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My thoughts are that OP is one of Pat Riley's alt accounts |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Wilkes52 wrote: | First, it makes no sense for The HEAT to take on Deng for his skills or for his contract, so as a practical matter the deal is essentially a dead duck at the door with the potential trading partner. |
the Heat would save over $36 Million by doing the deal....and lose a player that they prefer to give his minutes to his backup anyway....if anyone would benefit from the deal, it would be the Heat. |
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Vin Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:04 am Post subject: |
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The heat would love that deal. That's all I'am gonna say. |
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splashmtn Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | ^Whiteside has enough moves in the post and can get off the shot anytime he wants. He just never developed any court awareness to make reads when he gets doubled.
That's on him. | and there you have it. he's not good enough in the post.
after you learn the moves and the counter moves. you then have to learn how to pass out of the double teams. if you dont learn that. teams will just double you for the turnover. and now your post game is gone. you're already slow. so what else do you have to offer on the offensive end? nothing. |
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Lakesh0wtime Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I rather sign cousins to a 1 yr |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Lakesh0wtime wrote: | I rather sign cousins to a 1 yr |
it's like an option between Gonorrhea and Diarrhea....sure one is definitely worse and will be a problem for a longer period or time.....but nobody is getting excited about the option either. |
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Lucky_Shot Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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I would pass on the deal but:
Hes a great defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 54% fg
I dont know why everyone here hates him but loves Randle. Another guy who cant shoot, is a ok defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 55% fg
One guy rebound better the other is a better passer but I wouldn't pay either of these guys crazy amounts of money because of their limited ability to score the ball.
Not saying Whiteside is better than Randle but to me there on the same level |
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trablos Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | I rather sign cousins to a 1 yr |
it's like an option between Gonorrhea and Diarrhea....sure one is definitely worse and will be a problem for a longer period or time.....but nobody is getting excited about the option either. |
What is Diarrhea's TS% these days? I mean I think it's worth considering |
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trablos Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Lucky_Shot wrote: | I would pass on the deal but:
Hes a great defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 54% fg
I dont know why everyone here hates him but loves Randle. Another guy who cant shoot, is a ok defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 55% fg
One guy rebound better the other is a better passer but I wouldn't pay either of these guys crazy amounts of money because of their limited ability to score the ball.
Not saying Whiteside is better than Randle but to me there on the same level |
One guy is quickly turning into a lockerroom cancer and the other has proven himself through hard work and dedication and is only getting better (on a much cheaper deal as well). Randle has also added a ton to his scoring ability and less of the knuckle-headed plays from previous seasons. Watch GT's recap of Randle's season, it's like night and day. If he adds a 3pt shot he's a bonafide all star caliber player at 24 years old..the comparison isn't really close. |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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trablos wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | I rather sign cousins to a 1 yr |
it's like an option between Gonorrhea and Diarrhea....sure one is definitely worse and will be a problem for a longer period or time.....but nobody is getting excited about the option either. |
What is Diarrhea's TS% these days? I mean I think it's worth considering |
not sure exactly....but it plays at a high pace and often scores quickly....some say it has a purée stroke..... |
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Lucky_Shot Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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trablos wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | I would pass on the deal but:
Hes a great defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 54% fg
I dont know why everyone here hates him but loves Randle. Another guy who cant shoot, is a ok defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 55% fg
One guy rebound better the other is a better passer but I wouldn't pay either of these guys crazy amounts of money because of their limited ability to score the ball.
Not saying Whiteside is better than Randle but to me there on the same level |
One guy is quickly turning into a lockerroom cancer and the other has proven himself through hard work and dedication and is only getting better (on a much cheaper deal as well). Randle has also added a ton to his scoring ability and less of the knuckle-headed plays from previous seasons. Watch GT's recap of Randle's season, it's like night and day. If he adds a 3pt shot he's a bonafide all star caliber player at 24 years old..the comparison isn't really close. |
I've seen GT recap on Randle, hes a good player but I would say hes not all that much better than Whiteside. You say If he adds a 3 pointer he'll be an allstar well tell when if happens and i'd be more than willing to give the guy a huge contract until then there's a limit I would pay for a guy who cant shoot. |
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matigol Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Not that I would want Hassan on our team,
but:
I don't get the "dinosaur in todays NBA" or "no spacing" arguments.
Jazz showing the opposite right now!
Their bigs don't shoot the ball and even the guards aren't very good shooters. They are playing successful basketball though _________________ White guy to white guy alley oop |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Lucky_Shot wrote: | trablos wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | I would pass on the deal but:
Hes a great defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 54% fg
I dont know why everyone here hates him but loves Randle. Another guy who cant shoot, is a ok defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 55% fg
One guy rebound better the other is a better passer but I wouldn't pay either of these guys crazy amounts of money because of their limited ability to score the ball.
Not saying Whiteside is better than Randle but to me there on the same level |
One guy is quickly turning into a lockerroom cancer and the other has proven himself through hard work and dedication and is only getting better (on a much cheaper deal as well). Randle has also added a ton to his scoring ability and less of the knuckle-headed plays from previous seasons. Watch GT's recap of Randle's season, it's like night and day. If he adds a 3pt shot he's a bonafide all star caliber player at 24 years old..the comparison isn't really close. |
I've seen GT recap on Randle, hes a good player but I would say hes not all that much better than Whiteside. You say If he adds a 3 pointer he'll be an allstar well tell when if happens and i'd be more than willing to give the guy a huge contract until then there's a limit I would pay for a guy who cant shoot. |
So a guy shoots 55%, as you yourself posted, but can’t shoot? Argue with yourself much? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Two max free agents over the next two years requires that Deng is dealt for lesser/expiring contracts or stretched. You can't tie up $25 mm in a poor roster fit. Aside from max players, I'd rather stretch Deng, re-sign Lopez and maybe have enough left over for another bench piece. It might be more worthwhile to gamble on Cousins' health. |
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Lucky_Shot Star Player
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:21 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | trablos wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | I would pass on the deal but:
Hes a great defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 54% fg
I dont know why everyone here hates him but loves Randle. Another guy who cant shoot, is a ok defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 55% fg
One guy rebound better the other is a better passer but I wouldn't pay either of these guys crazy amounts of money because of their limited ability to score the ball.
Not saying Whiteside is better than Randle but to me there on the same level |
One guy is quickly turning into a lockerroom cancer and the other has proven himself through hard work and dedication and is only getting better (on a much cheaper deal as well). Randle has also added a ton to his scoring ability and less of the knuckle-headed plays from previous seasons. Watch GT's recap of Randle's season, it's like night and day. If he adds a 3pt shot he's a bonafide all star caliber player at 24 years old..the comparison isn't really close. |
I've seen GT recap on Randle, hes a good player but I would say hes not all that much better than Whiteside. You say If he adds a 3 pointer he'll be an allstar well tell when if happens and i'd be more than willing to give the guy a huge contract until then there's a limit I would pay for a guy who cant shoot. |
So a guy shoots 55%, as you yourself posted, but can’t shoot? Argue with yourself much? |
Randle shoots 22% from 3 so yeah the guy cant shoot the ball. |
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Lucky_Shot wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | trablos wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | I would pass on the deal but:
Hes a great defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 54% fg
I dont know why everyone here hates him but loves Randle. Another guy who cant shoot, is a ok defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 55% fg
One guy rebound better the other is a better passer but I wouldn't pay either of these guys crazy amounts of money because of their limited ability to score the ball.
Not saying Whiteside is better than Randle but to me there on the same level |
One guy is quickly turning into a lockerroom cancer and the other has proven himself through hard work and dedication and is only getting better (on a much cheaper deal as well). Randle has also added a ton to his scoring ability and less of the knuckle-headed plays from previous seasons. Watch GT's recap of Randle's season, it's like night and day. If he adds a 3pt shot he's a bonafide all star caliber player at 24 years old..the comparison isn't really close. |
I've seen GT recap on Randle, hes a good player but I would say hes not all that much better than Whiteside. You say If he adds a 3 pointer he'll be an allstar well tell when if happens and i'd be more than willing to give the guy a huge contract until then there's a limit I would pay for a guy who cant shoot. |
So a guy shoots 55%, as you yourself posted, but can’t shoot? Argue with yourself much? |
Randle shoot 22% from 3 so yeah the guy cant shoot the ball. |
Your concept of shooting the ball is minimalistic. I suppose you also think that Shaq couldn’t shoot? Here’s a quick primer, shooting consists of attempting to put the ball in the basket. Doing so more than failing to do so is a positive. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Lucky_Shot Star Player
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | trablos wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | I would pass on the deal but:
Hes a great defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 54% fg
I dont know why everyone here hates him but loves Randle. Another guy who cant shoot, is a ok defender, has decent rpm numbers and a 55% fg
One guy rebound better the other is a better passer but I wouldn't pay either of these guys crazy amounts of money because of their limited ability to score the ball.
Not saying Whiteside is better than Randle but to me there on the same level |
One guy is quickly turning into a lockerroom cancer and the other has proven himself through hard work and dedication and is only getting better (on a much cheaper deal as well). Randle has also added a ton to his scoring ability and less of the knuckle-headed plays from previous seasons. Watch GT's recap of Randle's season, it's like night and day. If he adds a 3pt shot he's a bonafide all star caliber player at 24 years old..the comparison isn't really close. |
I've seen GT recap on Randle, hes a good player but I would say hes not all that much better than Whiteside. You say If he adds a 3 pointer he'll be an allstar well tell when if happens and i'd be more than willing to give the guy a huge contract until then there's a limit I would pay for a guy who cant shoot. |
So a guy shoots 55%, as you yourself posted, but can’t shoot? Argue with yourself much? |
Randle shoot 22% from 3 so yeah the guy cant shoot the ball. |
Your concept of shooting the ball is minimalistic. I suppose you also think that Shaq couldn’t shoot? Here’s a quick primer, shooting consists of attempting to put the ball in the basket. Doing so more than failing to do so is a positive. |
I'd say your concept of shooting is too intricate. Can a person shoot a 3(or at the very least a long 2) at a high rate? No, then they cant shoot so yeah I'd say Shaq couldnt shoot
but thats just me, I'm moving on since this thread isnt about randle and i said everything i wanted too. |
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unleasHell Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:32 am Post subject: |
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chantruong wrote: | If we still had Mosgov, I would trade Mosgov and Deng for Whiteside |
THIS...! _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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