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Whoever came up with the expressions "he's a chad", "she's a karen" and "he's a simp" needs a good ol' fashioned ass kicking.
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If military service was compulsory in the US, a few things would likely change:
(1) you wouldn't have this fetishistic attachment to the military that people seem to cling to in this country;
(2) You would also avoid the situation where one side claims to be an authority on patriotism because they support the troops more vociferously than the other.
(3) Vets would get the services they need.
(4) The elite in this country would take a much harder look at what wars are waged since their own kids' lives might be at stake.
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| Heartburn wrote: | If military service was compulsory in the US, a few things would likely change:
(1) you wouldn't have this fetishistic attachment to the military that people seem to cling to in this country;
(2) You would also avoid the situation where one side claims to be an authority on patriotism because they support the troops more vociferously than the other.
(3) Vets would get the services they need.
(4) The elite in this country would take a much harder look at what wars are waged since their own kids' lives might be at stake. |
History tells us that’s not true. The US had a draft from the Civil War until the 70s, and all of these things still happened. They painted it as an honor, a duty, vets didn’t get proper treatment (if you were a POC you were often lied to and promised made if they joined were reneged on) and people in power could always have means to get them out of it if they so wished, see DJT
We as a country use the military as an excuse to get tax payer dollars to spend an exhaustive amount of money to fulfill our global ambitions that have nothing to do with freedom or protecting the American people. If militarization is the ultimate act of patriotism, then anyone who dares questions our involvement in war or spending as anti-American. It’s one of the most successful propaganda tools deployed in terms of support. |
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| lakeshow03 wrote: | | Heartburn wrote: | If military service was compulsory in the US, a few things would likely change:
(1) you wouldn't have this fetishistic attachment to the military that people seem to cling to in this country;
(2) You would also avoid the situation where one side claims to be an authority on patriotism because they support the troops more vociferously than the other.
(3) Vets would get the services they need.
(4) The elite in this country would take a much harder look at what wars are waged since their own kids' lives might be at stake. |
History tells us that’s not true. The US had a draft from the Civil War until the 70s, and all of these things still happened. They painted it as an honor, a duty, vets didn’t get proper treatment (if you were a POC you were often lied to and promised made if they joined were reneged on) and people in power could always have means to get them out of it if they so wished, see DJT
We as a country use the military as an excuse to get tax payer dollars to spend an exhaustive amount of money to fulfill our global ambitions that have nothing to do with freedom or protecting the American people. If militarization is the ultimate act of patriotism, then anyone who dares questions our involvement in war or spending as anti-American. It’s one of the most successful propaganda tools deployed in terms of support. |
I'm not talking about a draft. I'm talking about compulsory service. Everyone has to serve and if you're too disabled to serve in the infantry, the military will find another job for you to do. Like they do in Brazil, Sweden, Finland.
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lakeshow03
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| Heartburn wrote: | | lakeshow03 wrote: | | Heartburn wrote: | If military service was compulsory in the US, a few things would likely change:
(1) you wouldn't have this fetishistic attachment to the military that people seem to cling to in this country;
(2) You would also avoid the situation where one side claims to be an authority on patriotism because they support the troops more vociferously than the other.
(3) Vets would get the services they need.
(4) The elite in this country would take a much harder look at what wars are waged since their own kids' lives might be at stake. |
History tells us that’s not true. The US had a draft from the Civil War until the 70s, and all of these things still happened. They painted it as an honor, a duty, vets didn’t get proper treatment (if you were a POC you were often lied to and promised made if they joined were reneged on) and people in power could always have means to get them out of it if they so wished, see DJT
We as a country use the military as an excuse to get tax payer dollars to spend an exhaustive amount of money to fulfill our global ambitions that have nothing to do with freedom or protecting the American people. If militarization is the ultimate act of patriotism, then anyone who dares questions our involvement in war or spending as anti-American. It’s one of the most successful propaganda tools deployed in terms of support. |
I'm not talking about a draft. I'm talking about compulsory service. Everyone has to serve and if you're too disabled to serve in the infantry, the military will find another job for you to do. Like they do in Brazil, Sweden, Finland. |
It seems like the core of your argument is the powers at be, and if we made everyone do it, they’d be forced to give the proper care to vets and they wouldn’t be as quick into war if their kids were in it, along with the Right claiming patriotism for serving. They just don’t care. It’s all lip service from both. The powers that be still would have make sure their kids wouldn’t be in actual combat, the Right doesn’t really care about vets it’s just lip service to sound good otherwise they would vote for things that are in the benefit.
Our problem isn’t, “we just don’t know what it’s like and need to experience it to have a change”. We know what’s going on, but the vast majority doesn’t care and uses the military as a prop and a beard for selfish reasons. |
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| Heartburn wrote: | If military service was compulsory in the US, a few things would likely change:
(1) you wouldn't have this fetishistic attachment to the military that people seem to cling to in this country;
(2) You would also avoid the situation where one side claims to be an authority on patriotism because they support the troops more vociferously than the other.
(3) Vets would get the services they need.
(4) The elite in this country would take a much harder look at what wars are waged since their own kids' lives might be at stake. |
Compulsory military service is an un-American idea. It would basically mean we would be telling people what they have to do with their lives from ages 18-20, and that simply goes against our civil liberties and basic ideals of freedom.
Also, a lot of people are simply unfit for military duty. I read a top military officer recently said that most people who are in the age group that the military targets are unfit for service. We cannot have a bunch of people in our military who are fat, too skinny, too pacifist, too mentally weak, have mental or emotional issues, are philosophically opposed to military conflict, etc.
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| Heartburn wrote: | If military service was compulsory in the US, a few things would likely change:
(1) you wouldn't have this fetishistic attachment to the military that people seem to cling to in this country;
(2) You would also avoid the situation where one side claims to be an authority on patriotism because they support the troops more vociferously than the other.
(3) Vets would get the services they need.
(4) The elite in this country would take a much harder look at what wars are waged since their own kids' lives might be at stake. |
Side discussion that this reminded me of:
So, if everyone does military duty and are considered reservists, are they civilians or military when it comes to "military targets"/"Civilian targets"?
My head and heart give me 2 different answers. |
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| Heartburn wrote: | If military service was compulsory in the US, a few things would likely change:
(1) you wouldn't have this fetishistic attachment to the military that people seem to cling to in this country;
(2) You would also avoid the situation where one side claims to be an authority on patriotism because they support the troops more vociferously than the other.
(3) Vets would get the services they need.
(4) The elite in this country would take a much harder look at what wars are waged since their own kids' lives might be at stake. |
All valid points. But mandatory military service is not the way to go about achieving those things.
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| Heartburn wrote: | | lakeshow03 wrote: | | Heartburn wrote: | If military service was compulsory in the US, a few things would likely change:
(1) you wouldn't have this fetishistic attachment to the military that people seem to cling to in this country;
(2) You would also avoid the situation where one side claims to be an authority on patriotism because they support the troops more vociferously than the other.
(3) Vets would get the services they need.
(4) The elite in this country would take a much harder look at what wars are waged since their own kids' lives might be at stake. |
History tells us that’s not true. The US had a draft from the Civil War until the 70s, and all of these things still happened. They painted it as an honor, a duty, vets didn’t get proper treatment (if you were a POC you were often lied to and promised made if they joined were reneged on) and people in power could always have means to get them out of it if they so wished, see DJT
We as a country use the military as an excuse to get tax payer dollars to spend an exhaustive amount of money to fulfill our global ambitions that have nothing to do with freedom or protecting the American people. If militarization is the ultimate act of patriotism, then anyone who dares questions our involvement in war or spending as anti-American. It’s one of the most successful propaganda tools deployed in terms of support. |
I'm not talking about a draft. I'm talking about compulsory service. Everyone has to serve and if you're too disabled to serve in the infantry, the military will find another job for you to do. Like they do in Brazil, Sweden, Finland. |
The well connected always find a way to keep their kids out of harms way. In the rear with the gear.
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| Why don’t we have a draft now? Is there too many soldiers as it is? I would like to think a mandatory 1-2 years in the military would do people some good. But there is always opposition to that because people say it creates militaristic governments and dictatorships. Bleeeh. |
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| 999 wrote: | | Why don’t we have a draft now? Is there too many soldiers as it is? I would like to think a mandatory 1-2 years in the military would do people some good. But there is always opposition to that because people say it creates militaristic governments and dictatorships. Bleeeh. |
A draft works poorly if you want people that want to fight a war. Morale would sink tremendously when the bulk of your soldiers want no part of fighting. |
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| 999 wrote: | | Why don’t we have a draft now? |
To fight who? |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Heartburn wrote: | If military service was compulsory in the US, a few things would likely change:
(1) you wouldn't have this fetishistic attachment to the military that people seem to cling to in this country;
(2) You would also avoid the situation where one side claims to be an authority on patriotism because they support the troops more vociferously than the other.
(3) Vets would get the services they need.
(4) The elite in this country would take a much harder look at what wars are waged since their own kids' lives might be at stake. |
All valid points. But mandatory military service is not the way to go about achieving those things. |
I'm willing to workshop the idea. I think a lot of pre-conceived notions about warfare, bravery, patriotism, guns, DACA/immigration, healthcare, etc., need to be re-examined. Forcing people to have skin in the game would be a real game-changer. No one can hide behind their personal straw men when we're dealing with a shared experience like military service or some other kind of compulsory service.
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | 999 wrote: | | Why don’t we have a draft now? |
To fight who? |
Oh I get what u mean by draft. I was thinking along the lines of mandatory rotc training or 1-2 mandatory inscription and than discharged |
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an electric toothbrush is not more effective than a toothbrush sold at dollar tree
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| C M B wrote: | | an electric toothbrush is not more effective than a toothbrush sold at dollar tree |
We found him. The 5th dentist.
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| ocho wrote: | | C M B wrote: | | an electric toothbrush is not more effective than a toothbrush sold at dollar tree |
We found him. The 5th dentist. |
12 out of 15 dentists agree with me
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Best part of broccoli is the stem
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| governator wrote: | | Best part of broccoli is the stem |
Less bitter and holds more moisture than the crown. |
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| LakersRGolden wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Best part of broccoli is the stem |
Less bitter and holds more moisture than the crown. |
Sure, if you are some kind of lunatic who has contempt for whatever savory deliciousness is deposited in the FUBA (fresh upper brocolli area)
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| C M B wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Best part of broccoli is the stem |
Less bitter and holds more moisture than the crown. |
Sure, if you are some kind of lunatic who has contempt for whatever savory deliciousness is deposited in the FUBA (fresh upper brocolli area) |
Speaking of savory, apparently mushrooms have a meaty taste because they evolve/split evolutionarily closer to humans than green vegetables
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| C M B wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Best part of broccoli is the stem |
Less bitter and holds more moisture than the crown. |
Sure, if you are some kind of lunatic who has contempt for whatever savory deliciousness is deposited in the FUBA (fresh upper brocolli area) |
Meh. An asparagus is a broccoli with correct proportions. |
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| governator wrote: | | Speaking of savory, apparently mushrooms have a meaty taste because they evolve/split evolutionarily closer to humans than green vegetables |
Not true. From Wikipedia:
| Quote: | | The fungi are now considered a separate kingdom, distinct from both plants and animals, from which they appear to have diverged around one billion years ago (around the start of the Neoproterozoic Era). |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungus |
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| LarryCoon wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Speaking of savory, apparently mushrooms have a meaty taste because they evolve/split evolutionarily closer to humans than green vegetables |
Not true. From Wikipedia:
| Quote: | | The fungi are now considered a separate kingdom, distinct from both plants and animals, from which they appear to have diverged around one billion years ago (around the start of the Neoproterozoic Era). |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungus |
I see ur non controversial wiki and raise you Neil Degrasse
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| LarryCoon wrote: | | C M B wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Best part of broccoli is the stem |
Less bitter and holds more moisture than the crown. |
Sure, if you are some kind of lunatic who has contempt for whatever savory deliciousness is deposited in the FUBA (fresh upper brocolli area) |
Meh. An asparagus is a broccoli with correct proportions. |
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