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AFireInside619
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Lebron and AD wanted Westbrook. Not much anyone can say or do at that point. Is he a better pick up that if we were to get Jrue last season?
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Car54
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | Lebron and AD wanted Westbrook. Not much anyone can say or do at that point. Is he a better pick up that if we were to get Jrue last season? |
Dru was terrible on offense but the other things he did made up for it. I’m still not sure he would have done enough to make up for the lost of AD
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Nonamehero
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | Finally, someone else calls him Westbrick. High five!
LG loves Westbrick so that's a very bad sign. Somehow, I think Lebron and AD would still bail him out because they're that good when healthy. |
Yah but we give up too much
Why didn’t we tried to get Buddy?
Why didn’t we at least negotiate more with Wizards.
It is like we are desperate for Westbrick, he is not AD or even Bradley Beal |
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Nonamehero
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | as a die hard Laker fan this is beyond sad. Unless Westbrook can miraculously transform into a different player (he couldnt 2 years younger with Harden), we basically cemented shut our championship window with Lebron. And whats all the more painful is that this was a completely self inflicted move made with other moves possible that would have clearly made this a better team from last season. |
We gutted our roster too for him.
Now we have to figure out the depth and shooting.
This is not the first move that you make in offseason
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| If lebron wanted him, that’s the end of story. He knows more basketball than OP or any other LG people. |
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Nonamehero
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:16 am Post subject: Re: I think a lot of people are just trying to COPE with the Westbrook situation |
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| unleasHell wrote: | | Nonamehero wrote: | By thinking positive. But seriously if this trade haven’t gone through. I don’t know why anyone in this world would think this is a great idea.
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Well, obviously people who are paid by the Lakers, thought it is a good idea, people who are paid by the Lakers for their opinions, not some random internet opinion!
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Westbrook is subtraction by addition in his normal state.
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What STATE is that? He's back home in California now!
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Yes MAYBE somehow we can get this to work, but it is definitely not given.
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News Flash: Nothing in LIFE is a "given"!
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And the fit is just so bad, that even if it works, the ceiling is not high
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LOL, please explain how a guy who just averaged a triple double has a "low" ceiling...
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what he brings to the table is very redundant with what Lebron brings.
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THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT! I'll go ahead and assume you watched some games last year, do you recall what typically happened to Laker leads when Lebron went out and Schroeder was left to run the team? (LEADS EVAPORATED) - That will not happen when Westbrook is left to run the show, in fact, since he is a BETTER assist guy than LeBron, I expect Davis's scoring to increase next season, with Westbrook's ability to score at the rim, Davis will be able to get a ton of pick n' rolls...!
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You don’t give up so much assets for this type of risk.
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The Lakers gave up, two average guys (KCP & Harrell) and two late first round draft picks for a Hall of Fame guy! Or looking at it another way; THREE Bench players and a guy (KCP) who would be on the Bench for nearly every other team in the NBA! Now, that doesn't sound like too much to me!
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If he was able to come in on MLE or sth, that would make sense.
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Dude, it's not your money paying his salary...
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Malone and Payton were considered top players too before coming to LA, how did that work out.
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WRONG - Karl Malone was 40 and ready to RETIRE when he signed with the Lakers, he had 17 straight years averaging 20-31ppg and with the Lakers he averaged 13..! Then retired immediately after the season! Payton was 35 and had been a great PG, but floundered when put into the Triangle ofense (which does not need a star PG)!
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Though in that scenario, we didn’t gut our roster for them, so it was worth the risk.
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How was bringing in a 35 & 40 year old ex-stars and getting killed by the Pistons in the Finals "worth the risk"...LOL
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And on top of that we offered KCP and a pick??! Wtf is going on?
KCP is a positive contribution to the team in term of defense and shooting, yes his shooting is streaky sometimes, but he fits on this team, which is a big question mark for Westbrick.
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"Sometime streaky" really? Only sometimes? Let's compare:
KCP = 9.7ppg - 2.7rpg - 1.9apg ---- FG% = 41.3%
West = 22.2ppg - 11.5rpg - 11.7apg ---- FG% = 41.9%
Your hero KCP shot a lower FG percentage and had "slightly" lower numbers across the board, wouldn't you say?
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Brotherly love ain’t gonna get us buckets if there is no spacing.
And spacing is not the most worrying aspect.
It is how is it realistic to expect a 32 years old westbrick to suddenly stop being boneheaded in playoff when he been doing it his whole career?
Why is that even a realistic expectation? |
You want much TV? (Big Bang Theory doesn't count), I'm talking about NBA related TV? Did you have to see what two PROFESSIONAL Sports guys said about the trade? I'm referring to ex-Celtic (and Laker hater) Perkins - he loved the Trade for the Lakers and explained in depth why it will work and why the Lakers will now win the West! Same with Stephen A. Smith!
Anyone paying you for for thoughts on this trade?
(I thought so...)
In closing, I can see how a non-critical thinker would incorrectly approach this, and I can see your logic, looking at how Westbrook, never one a championship with Durant, Harden or Beal, but you can rest assured he has NEVER played with anyone like LeBron and has never played with a PF as talented as Davis....
So step back, bite your lip and WATCH WHAT HAPPENS....! |
If anyone can make it work, it is probably Lebron.
But why give up so much for him.
Westbrick at this point of his career is not needed by Wizards, or any other team.
His stock is all time low, the Wizard for godsake got him one season ago for less.
And we over paid this season, wtf is the logic in that? |
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| Car54 wrote: | | Kobetan wrote: | | I think a lot of people who dislike this trade is coping by doing their best to persuade others to dislike the trade as well |
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I would prefer Lowry but Westbrook is a beast. Imagine last years team being ran by Westbrook when Lebron and AD went down. No play in tournament. Also AD and Lebron had to keep telling DS they want to see the same aggressiveness when they get back. You won’t have to have that conversation with Westbrook. And lastly Poor George best season was when he played next to Westbrook. I hope he could do the same for Lebron |
Dude all the accomplish you mentioned is in regular season.
And then he proceed to be a bonehead in playoff, and did the stupid cradle move and pissed off Lillard and got sent home first round.
The most impressive thing he ever did for his team was kidnap Paul George, so he can’t talk to the Lakers and throw him a party and forced him to sign.
But Paul George still left after realizing westbrick is westbrick |
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Car54
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Nonamehero wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Kobetan wrote: | | I think a lot of people who dislike this trade is coping by doing their best to persuade others to dislike the trade as well |
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I would prefer Lowry but Westbrook is a beast. Imagine last years team being ran by Westbrook when Lebron and AD went down. No play in tournament. Also AD and Lebron had to keep telling DS they want to see the same aggressiveness when they get back. You won’t have to have that conversation with Westbrook. And lastly Poor George best season was when he played next to Westbrook. I hope he could do the same for Lebron |
Dude all the accomplish you mentioned is in regular season.
And then he proceed to be a bonehead in playoff, and did the stupid cradle move and pissed off Lillard and got sent home first round.
The most impressive thing he ever did for his team was kidnap Paul George, so he can’t talk to the Lakers and throw him a party and forced him to sign.
But Paul George still left after realizing westbrick is westbrick |
Cool don’t celebrate with us when we win it all. Keep that same energy.
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| It has shades of Steve Nash signing to me, but we have to hope for the best. |
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Laker4lifer4real
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| It has shades of Steve Nash signing to me, but we have to hope for the best. |
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Laker4lifer4real
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| It has shades of Steve Nash signing to me, but we have to hope for the best. |
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Car54
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| Laker4lifer4real wrote: | | It has shades of Steve Nash signing to me, but we have to hope for the best. |
Really what part of this resembles Nash?
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It's tough to win. Lakers are doing what they can to maximize their chances. Doesn't guarantee anything, but many fan bases would love to roll the dice with such a group of stars.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Never a huge fan but my first reaction was this was a GREAT trade considering what we lost, and sticking with that. If he buys in on defense and is more efficient, icing on the cake. Can’t wait to see who else we bring in who is chip hungry. |
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Nonamehero
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker4lifer4real wrote: | | It has shades of Steve Nash signing to me, but we have to hope for the best. |
We didn’t give up that much for Nash. |
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Nonamehero
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| Car54 wrote: | | Nonamehero wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Kobetan wrote: | | I think a lot of people who dislike this trade is coping by doing their best to persuade others to dislike the trade as well |
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I would prefer Lowry but Westbrook is a beast. Imagine last years team being ran by Westbrook when Lebron and AD went down. No play in tournament. Also AD and Lebron had to keep telling DS they want to see the same aggressiveness when they get back. You won’t have to have that conversation with Westbrook. And lastly Poor George best season was when he played next to Westbrook. I hope he could do the same for Lebron |
Dude all the accomplish you mentioned is in regular season.
And then he proceed to be a bonehead in playoff, and did the stupid cradle move and pissed off Lillard and got sent home first round.
The most impressive thing he ever did for his team was kidnap Paul George, so he can’t talk to the Lakers and throw him a party and forced him to sign.
But Paul George still left after realizing westbrick is westbrick |
Cool don’t celebrate with us when we win it all. Keep that same energy. |
Dude I want the team to win.
Critiquing our dumb moves doesn’t make me not a fan. |
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Laker4lifer4real
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| Car54 wrote: | | Laker4lifer4real wrote: | | It has shades of Steve Nash signing to me, but we have to hope for the best. |
Really what part of this resembles Nash? |
The hype of a HOF PG joining us as a 3rd star. |
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| Nonamehero wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | Finally, someone else calls him Westbrick. High five!
LG loves Westbrick so that's a very bad sign. Somehow, I think Lebron and AD would still bail him out because they're that good when healthy. |
Yah but we give up too much
Why didn’t we tried to get Buddy?
Why didn’t we at least negotiate more with Wizards.
It is like we are desperate for Westbrick, he is not AD or even Bradley Beal |
When you trade for a player making $44 mil, there aren't too many options on who you can send for him.
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| Car54 wrote: | | Laker4lifer4real wrote: | | It has shades of Steve Nash signing to me, but we have to hope for the best. |
Really what part of this resembles Nash? |
Both were injured the past couple of seasons before joining the Lakers maybe? That is all l can come up with.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| This is nothing like the Nash trade. Nash came to the Lakers at 38. That's well done to almost burnt for Nash. RW is is 32 turning 33. BIG DIFFERENCE.... |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Someone is for sure coping. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| He's here. Is he a fit? we'll see. WB is still a triple double machine. I just want a complete team, a healthy Lebron and AD, the rest will take care of itself. |
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If you're seeking perfection I can see how WB is disappointing.
But essentially, we traded a few decent roleplayers for a superstar with a few limitations. I'll take that deal any day. More troubling to me is dealing out our first round picks year after year, but hopefully our scouting department is just that good that it can find undrafted/2nd round types to fill out the roster. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| One thing that will be refreshing is his rebounding. Smdh at the amount of rebounds we gave up last season. |
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| Trezz was also the only player who brought intensity almost every game, but he has his limitations. Very refreshing to see a star level player bring that same intensity or more. |
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