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DrDent
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | DrDent wrote: | That 4th quarter run by the Pacers was mind numbing to watch because it screamed for the Lakers to do something other than...put in Melo. I'm befuddled by that.
Dwight / Stan better options. Stop the bleeding and score after stops. The Pacers were drilling shot after shot while Lakers went cold, and even when the Lakers started scoring, they could not stop the Pacers...so, the answer was to...put in more offense? |
There was no point to bring in melo for offense because they just give lebron the ball and watch him Brick the 3 anyways. The rebounds and open 3s we gave up was not even worth it. We lost because levert got hot, either reaves or Stanley should’ve been guarding him |
Exactly...so, why bring in Melo?
It's literally like if youre playing football, having trouble running the ball, its 4th and 1, team decides to go for it...by taking out the TE, going with just 5 O linemen, and running the ball up the gut against a 9 man front. It's like...huh?
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| PenG_ wrote: | Somehow I had no idea Russ got benched the last four minutes of the game.
Yikes... so it begins |
Frank Vogel on his decision to sub out Russell Westbrook for the final four minutes of the game: “Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game”
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1484045339556409344?s=21 |
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| TDRock wrote: | | PenG_ wrote: | Somehow I had no idea Russ got benched the last four minutes of the game.
Yikes... so it begins |
Frank Vogel on his decision to sub out Russell Westbrook for the final four minutes of the game: “Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game”
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1484045339556409344?s=21 |
Well... that's not very subtle |
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| TDRock wrote: | | PenG_ wrote: | Somehow I had no idea Russ got benched the last four minutes of the game.
Yikes... so it begins |
Frank Vogel on his decision to sub out Russell Westbrook for the final four minutes of the game: “Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game”
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1484045339556409344?s=21 |
I don’t blame Vogel …. he has garbage to work with |
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DrDent
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| Mamba Mentality wrote: | | JerryWest_44 wrote: | | A new coach isn’t going to fix this Frankenstein lineup |
Not many options, but Melo to close out the game knowing you need stops... |
Anyone hear the rationale to bring him in?
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| JerryWest_44 wrote: | | Mamba Mentality wrote: | | I hope they fire Vogel so the organization can finally see it wasn't the coach after all. |
They know it’s not the coach |
For weeks now we’ve heard Pelinka has been working the trade market. Russ, THT, Rondo, Dwight, Baze, Jordan, they’ve even been looking at dealing a guy who hasn’t played this year (Nunn). Rondo was happy about the opportunity to move on to Cleveland (let that set in).
They know they effed this roster up. |
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calistrtballr
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| Similar to the time dallas won the chip and decided to breakup the team. That bubble team should have run it back, now were f’d! |
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| TDRock wrote: | | PenG_ wrote: | Somehow I had no idea Russ got benched the last four minutes of the game.
Yikes... so it begins |
Frank Vogel on his decision to sub out Russell Westbrook for the final four minutes of the game: “Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game”
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1484045339556409344?s=21 |
After that statement either Vogel is getting fired or Westbrook is getting traded or both will be the scapegoat. |
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Laker4lifer4real
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THT had the alley oop to Lebron and Monk and was shutting down Lavert. Vogel brings in Russ around 7:15 and Pacers go on a 30-19 run.
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JerryWest_44
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| Lakers defense energy stopped near the end of halftime… |
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MagicMamba88
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| TDRock wrote: | | PenG_ wrote: | | Lakers twitter and reddit going on all in on firing Vogel seems so strange. Seriously, what's that gonna accomplish? |
Nothing.
There's nothing to do about it now, that would only add more chaos. It's not like there's anyone good available that's why I guess Rambis is rumored to be in the mix. We might as well let it ride until the off-season. |
Exactly nothing will change.
especially since it will be David Fizdale who replaces him. yea no thanks |
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| PenG_ wrote: | | Lakers twitter and reddit going on all in on firing Vogel seems so strange. Seriously, what's that gonna accomplish? |
Absolutely nothing. |
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mad55557777
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| DrDent wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | DrDent wrote: | That 4th quarter run by the Pacers was mind numbing to watch because it screamed for the Lakers to do something other than...put in Melo. I'm befuddled by that.
Dwight / Stan better options. Stop the bleeding and score after stops. The Pacers were drilling shot after shot while Lakers went cold, and even when the Lakers started scoring, they could not stop the Pacers...so, the answer was to...put in more offense? |
There was no point to bring in melo for offense because they just give lebron the ball and watch him Brick the 3 anyways. The rebounds and open 3s we gave up was not even worth it. We lost because levert got hot, either reaves or Stanley should’ve been guarding him |
Exactly...so, why bring in Melo?
It's literally like if youre playing football, having trouble running the ball, its 4th and 1, team decides to go for it...by taking out the TE, going with just 5 O linemen, and running the ball up the gut against a 9 man front. It's like...huh? |
That’s how the game was lost, bad decisions by vogel |
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Laker4lifer4real
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| JerryWest_44 wrote: | | Lakers defense energy stopped near the end of halftime… |
That was a lot on Russ mistakes and lack of defense. |
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| DrDent wrote: | That 4th quarter run by the Pacers was mind numbing to watch because it screamed for the Lakers to do something other than...put in Melo. I'm befuddled by that.
Dwight / Stan better options. Stop the bleeding and score after stops. The Pacers were drilling shot after shot while Lakers went cold, and even when the Lakers started scoring, they could not stop the Pacers...so, the answer was to...put in more offense? |
It was inevitable once Levert got wise and stopped fouling. They didn’t even need Brogdon. Had Levert been playing the entire game… welp |
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MagicMamba88
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| Laker4lifer4real wrote: | | JerryWest_44 wrote: | | Lakers defense energy stopped near the end of halftime… |
That was a lot on Russ mistakes and lack of defense. |
Russ and Melo |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | The worse lose of the season |
OKC twice was worse.
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mad55557777
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| Laker4lifer4real wrote: | | THT had the alley oop to Lebron and Monk and was shutting down Lavert. Vogel brings in Russ around 7:15 and Pacers go on a 30-19 run. |
To be fair, this has little to do with Russ in the 4th, he barely played. It has more to do with Vogel playing melo for 30 minutes |
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| DrDent wrote: | | Mamba Mentality wrote: | | JerryWest_44 wrote: | | A new coach isn’t going to fix this Frankenstein lineup |
Not many options, but Melo to close out the game knowing you need stops... |
Anyone hear the rationale to bring him in? |
No one seems to be asking him about it. Now they're talking about losses/disappointments/how to bounce back, etc. |
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| ZeroDark30_ wrote: | | DrDent wrote: | That 4th quarter run by the Pacers was mind numbing to watch because it screamed for the Lakers to do something other than...put in Melo. I'm befuddled by that.
Dwight / Stan better options. Stop the bleeding and score after stops. The Pacers were drilling shot after shot while Lakers went cold, and even when the Lakers started scoring, they could not stop the Pacers...so, the answer was to...put in more offense? |
It was inevitable once Levert got wise and stopped fouling. They didn’t even need Brogdon. Had Levert been playing the entire game… welp |
Our defensive energy stopped right before the half and LaVert & the Pacers saw the lack of energy |
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| TDRock wrote: | | Mamba Mentality wrote: | | I hope they fire Vogel so the organization can finally see it wasn't the coach after all. |
Maybe that's why Vogel is going YOLO and just doing what he wants. Lol. |
He’s been doing it all year. His rotations have been bad all year long. I think he came into the season not caring. He’s on a one year contract, right? He didn’t get a multi-year contract |
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| ZeroDark30_ wrote: | | TDRock wrote: | | Mamba Mentality wrote: | | I hope they fire Vogel so the organization can finally see it wasn't the coach after all. |
Maybe that's why Vogel is going YOLO and just doing what he wants. Lol. |
He’s been doing it all year. His rotations have been bad all year long. I think he came into the season not caring. He’s on a one year contract, right? He didn’t get a multi-year contract |
Agreed. But I do think as I've said many times he's stubborn. And he is doubling down on the small ball line up despite people apparently telling him directly to his face to play big. I think he's figured that if he's going to get fired he's going to get fired doing what he wants to do.
EDIT - and lots of folks on Twitter apparently agree with me. That post game presser was a "do whatever y'all want, imma do me" presser.
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| Vogel praise defense but had Melo in there? |
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Frank Vogel on his decision to sub out Russell Westbrook for the final four minutes of the game: “Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” |
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mad55557777
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Vogel praise defense but had Melo in there? |
He also stated we lost the rebounding battle, well duh…. |
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