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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:12 pm    Post subject:

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So Putin technically survives, but weakened.

Did Priogzhin realize he didn't have the necessary support to finish the coup?


Yeah, it’s weird. I can’t figure out if he did exactly what he intended to and is waiting with a move after Putin’z response or whether he over commited and is trying to salvage
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:52 pm    Post subject:

This is just a pause. It isn't over until Putin or Prigozhen dies.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:52 pm    Post subject:

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This is just a pause. It isn't over until Putin or Prigozhen dies.


Yep, Putin isn't one of those guys who lets these guys live. He's gonna utilize the Russian state assets to get him.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:31 pm    Post subject:

Killing Prigozhin might be too risky for Putin. He probably could have done it already as he knew exactly where Prigozhin was the entire time. Prigozhin has a constituency (as seen by the enthusiastic response in Rostov, contrasted by the protests when the Russian police took back the city as Wagner withdrew). He also has an army. Wagner is popular in Russia. There were literally billboards in Russian cities promoting Wagner and asking people to join that army.

What could have happened is that both Putin and Prigozhin didn't know how the coup was gonna play out. Putin didn't know how much support he had left, Prigozhin didn't know how much support he had in Moscow (he could have been betrayed by some that promised to back him initially), so this "negotiated" agreement was the best outcome for both. For now.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:13 pm    Post subject:

Are there fourth floor windows in Belarus?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:11 am    Post subject:

Putin's caught between a rock and a hard place. He can't kill Prigozhin and he can't let him live. Wagner's a strong army. Better trained and equipped than the Russian Armed Forces. They wouldn't take kindly to their leader being killed. He can't let him live because it will make him look weak. I don't think Prigozhin will be satified about retiring in Belarus. Russian politics are in unchartered waters.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2023 1:08 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
Are there fourth floor windows in Belarus?


In former Soviet Russia, all window are fourth floor or higher.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:36 pm    Post subject:

Ukraine defense saying Russian forces have planted mines in the cooling ponds of
The nuclear power plant

Russia plan to blow up Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant has been “drafted and approved”
Kyrylo Budanov, chief of Ukraine’s military intelligence, warns of a dangerous escalation
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According to Budanov, who leads the Main Directorate military intelligence organisation, the cooling pond of the plant has been mined by Russian troops. Without cooling, the nuclear reactors could melt in a period of between ten hours and 14 days. He believes Russia would be able to raise the voltage in the power supply lines to the plant, bringing about a nuclear accident at the lower end of that time frame. As Budanov put it during the interview, “Technical means could be used to speed up the catastrophe.”




If Russia did anything like this I would wish their people prove their humanity
And tear the Putin administration apart piece by piece and burn them alive on state television

ALL THIS just to steal lithium and other natural resources along with an important naval docking port?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:53 am    Post subject:

Several Russian leaders are "missing" . . .

MEDVEDEV ABSENT FROM SECURITY MEETING

GENERAL WHO KNEW ABOUT COUP NOW MISSING AMID RUMORS OF 'INTERROGATION'

GERASIMOV 'GOES MISSING' HOURS AFTER PEACE DEAL
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:41 pm    Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:
Several Russian leaders are "missing" . . .

MEDVEDEV ABSENT FROM SECURITY MEETING

GENERAL WHO KNEW ABOUT COUP NOW MISSING AMID RUMORS OF 'INTERROGATION'

GERASIMOV 'GOES MISSING' HOURS AFTER PEACE DEAL


in capitalist russia, window is no longer necessary
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:35 pm    Post subject:

In post soviet Russia, window of opportunity also window of lost opportunity.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:13 am    Post subject:

When can Ukraine start lobbing missiles inside Russia

This is just constant war crime after war crime

There is no such thing as international law when a nation like Russia exists
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 2:23 am    Post subject:

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There is no such thing as international law when a nation like Russia exists


You don’t abandon laws just because criminals don’t follow them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:29 am    Post subject:

DID SOMEONE SAY "WINDOW?"


Russian bank executive, 28, dies in mystery plunge from window of her Moscow apartment

Kristina Baikova, 28, who was the vice-president of Loko Bank, fell out of the apartment window on Khodynsky Boulevard on the evening of June 23 . . . He claims that Kristina contacted him asking him to come for a drink before he "went out onto the parapet and fell down", BAZA reports. He claims that Kristina contacted him asking him to come for a drink before he "went out onto the parapet and fell down", BAZA reports.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:25 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
ContagiousInspiration wrote:
There is no such thing as international law when a nation like Russia exists


You don’t abandon laws just because criminals don’t follow them.


Truth.

The attacks on Ukrainian civilians and massssssive flattening of cities and villages makes me so angry.. Especially when I don't see any harm being done to the country of Russia.. ZERO

Not one sanction ever brought a life back or made a school or church reappear after being bombed.

If China and India keep the war going Russia can just keep lobbing missiles repeatedly until Ukraine is rubble...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:56 am    Post subject:

After reading this article I wondered if it could be compared to what's going on in Ukraine.

Amnesty International is a legitimate website. I can't vouch for its creditability.

Good read. Disturbing.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:49 am    Post subject:

Prigozhin's loyal Wagner troops may be a reason he's still alive, if he in fact is.

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Russia won't say where Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin is, but photos purportedly show his raided home

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The Kremlin has played down the fact that Prigozhin escaped punishment for his mutiny while other Putin's critics have been met with harsh prison sentences, exile or even death, saying that the deal with the Wagner chief was necessary to avoid massive bloodshed.

The Belarusian leader shrugged off suggestions that Putin might order Prigozhin killed, saying: "If you think that Putin is so vicious and vindictive to finish him off, no, it's not going to happen."

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:25 am    Post subject:

Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia



Hmmmmmmm . . . no high-rise window needed . . .

[EDIT- Only a listed passenger at this point]
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:28 am    Post subject:

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Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia



Hmmmmmmm . . . no high-rise window needed . . .

[EDIT- Only a listed passenger at this point]


lmao! That was not as quick as I expected, but still pretty quick.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:33 am    Post subject:

If you are going to move against him, you better not half ass it. I mean, duh.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:41 am    Post subject:

His fate was sealed once Putin guaranteed his safety after he gave up his rebellion. Should've gone thru with the rebellion at least he would've died for the cause.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:45 am    Post subject:

He f*cked around, he found out.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:04 am    Post subject:

According to local Russian video, his plane was shot down by Russian air defense.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:23 am    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia



Hmmmmmmm . . . no high-rise window needed . . .

[EDIT- Only a listed passenger at this point]


Flight manifest does show he had a window seat

Can't wait til the same happens to Putin and his Orange Testicle
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:25 am    Post subject:

This is my shocked face.
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