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Even though I wasn't around back then, I'd not only take the mid-80s Lakers over any other Lakers team, but over any other NBA team past or present.
Those teams had it all: length (they could I'm guessing switch everything on D, as well as play a trap D), athleticism, two of the 10 greatest ever, a third star in Worthy who was also a big-game player, and matchup advantages.
Magic and Worthy were big matchup advantages over the Celtics and probably the 90s Bulls.
I'm just not sure whether the '85 or '87 Lakers were better. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2000-2001, Shaq was the most dominant force I have seen in the league. That playoff run is legendary. The fact that they somewhat coasted during the regular season and people said they were done made the playoffs more special. |
The only thing that could stop them was ~10 days off between the WCF and Game 1 of the Finals. |
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| Beir32 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2000-2001, Shaq was the most dominant force I have seen in the league. That playoff run is legendary. The fact that they somewhat coasted during the regular season and people said they were done made the playoffs more special. |
The only thing that could stop them was ~10 days off between the WCF and Game 1 of the Finals. |
And even then it took a herculean effort from AI to force OT and barely beat them |
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| CabinCreek44 wrote: | Hard to go against the 71-72 team, 69-13, 33 wins in a row, and finally a championship after so many bitter disappointments.
The 86-87 Showtime squad was something to behold. They were killing people right from the jump and didn't stop. The 85 team that took down the Celtics in the cursed Boston Garden rathole. The early 80s teams with Cap and Earv.
The Shaq/Kobe squads were terrific and won 3 in a row. And then the Kobe/Pau team that won two in a row.
And of course all due respect to the terrific Minneapolis squads, the first NBA dynasty.
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72 before me, but stats are there. Dominance was there. Judging by other dominant seasons we had, I've seen what it looks like, at least. 2000 Lakers had a 30-1 run ruined by the Wizards. 33 is a lot.
Easy to go 72, 01, 87 in some order. 09 was about as easy as those, really. They would fart around in gms and still win em. 65 and 2 Ls were losses at buzzer to Troy Murphy (yes) and Andre I. They coulda done 70. Playoff run was fluff w/ ORL in there. A dominant year w/ a straight finesse team.
I enjoyed 20, tho it was ruined by Covid and will never be played again because of the bubble. Looks different, people don't wanna remember it. It was a scrappy/crappy roster who played better than themselves and Brawn was the diff maker.
88 was good in that they were tested twice by Utah and DET and overcame. Magic had a groin strain and Coop a bad ankle that he played 23 playoff gms on and never recovered from it. Kareem sold that ring to charity because he was rarely a factor, which makes everyone who uses that season as a legit Kareem season incorrect. 87 was his last season.
89 season got dicked by Pat's minicamp. They were too good for their own good. Shoddy RS w/ 8 gm road L streak (heresy). But came on at the end a la 01 and stomped the West. In Gm 4 of the WCFs when they could've gone home, they came back from 29 (14-43) to win by 2. However, they would've been better to L that game so Riles would've had less time for the minicamp. 11 days off is RUST time, not rest time. That's a big reason why we even lost Gm 1 to Philly in 01. It took the Lakers till about 2nd half of Gm 4 before they began to look like they did in the West. You had AI stomping his foot and shrugging his shoulders at trey after trey by every Laker. Once, Ron, Fox, Ty Lue, and Kobe hit 4 treys in about 5 straight FG attempts.
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slavavov
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89 season got dicked by Pat's minicamp. They were too good for their own good. Shoddy RS w/ 8 gm road L streak (heresy). But came on at the end a la 01 and stomped the West. In Gm 4 of the WCFs when they could've gone home, they came back from 29 (14-43) to win by 2. However, they would've been better to L that game so Riles would've had less time for the minicamp. 11 days off is RUST time, not rest time. |
I've always wondered if that 89 team would've beaten the Pistons had it not been for Magic and Byron Scott tearing their hamstrings. A bunch of the guys on that team say they definitely would've, but it seems like the national media thinks the Pistons would've won anyway. |
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| slavavov wrote: | | non-player zealot wrote: |
89 season got dicked by Pat's minicamp. They were too good for their own good. Shoddy RS w/ 8 gm road L streak (heresy). But came on at the end a la 01 and stomped the West. In Gm 4 of the WCFs when they could've gone home, they came back from 29 (14-43) to win by 2. However, they would've been better to L that game so Riles would've had less time for the minicamp. 11 days off is RUST time, not rest time. |
I've always wondered if that 89 team would've beaten the Pistons had it not been for Magic and Byron Scott tearing their hamstrings. A bunch of the guys on that team say they definitely would've, but it seems like the national media thinks the Pistons would've won anyway. |
I could easily see that series being a 7 game war with each team winning on their home floor for the first 6 games and you know what they say: anything can happen in a Game 7. Pistons were primed and loaded to win a chip and funny enough both teams matched up well against each other: The Pistons three guards could score at will on the Lakers defense but the Lakers were the only team in the league that could return the favor and score efficiently on the Pistons defense. I would say, however, Game 7 would be advantage Pistons with them being even more motivated to win their first than the Lakers for the three-peat and the game being played at the Palace. Magic would need to be at his very best...aka game 6 1980 and Worthy would need to continue to shred Rodman and Mahorn with Byron Scott having one of his typical 17-21 pts and AC Green not fouling out and canceling out Mahorn |
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| I'm going with 1987. You had 2 of the top 4 players of all-time. You had a third Hall of Famer in Worthy. You had one of the best defenders of his era in Cooper, who was DPOY that very season. Another thing about Cooper was that he was a really good 3-point shooter for his era, and particularly in 1986-87, when he shot .385 from that range. Just to give y'all some perspective, Cooper's league adjusted 3-point % was a +128, and he was a +114 for his career. By comparison, Khris Middleton is a career .392 shooter from 3-point range, and his career league adjusted 3-point % stands at .110. Think about that! You had the DPOY who was basically shooting from 3 better than Middleton when you compare eras, and I realize that he wasn't shooting it on as high of a volume. Still, when you have 3 HOF'ers and you have him able to make 3's at a good rate and to play that kind of defense, that's so incredibly valuable. Oh by the way, you also had solid starters in Byron and AC, and, in what I think is key, Mychal Thompson on the roster as well. That was a huge addition. |
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I have the 2010 season ahead of 88 and 20 because of the Boston Revenge factor, the Red years I don't remember as I was born in late '75 and 1985 was the first time I watched every game. This is how I rank em' too. Great list.
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| lakeshowtacular wrote: | | cycl0nus wrote: | 01
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I have the 2010 season ahead of 88 and 20 because of the Boston Revenge factor, the Red years I don't remember as I was born in late '75 and 1985 was the first time I watched every game. This is how I rank em' too. Great list. |
Why is the 09 team ranked so low? If we rank the Kobe/Pau teams, this team was clearly the best as they could play fast despite a two big lineup and yet play great defense. Also the last year in which Kobe vs Lebron was a real debate as the very next year, the assumption was Bron was the better player with Kobe's physical knee issues. A healthy Garnett would have possibly given us the greatest NBA finals ever as the 09 Celtics were the best rendition for them as well with Rondo and Perkins making a terrific jump and KG/Pierce/Allen not losing anything from a year before - hell that team started 27-2 until they lost to the Lakers on Christmas day and that streak was no fluke - they were that good. Not to mention that Feb 2009 game that went to overtime with Pau blocking Allen's three at the buzzer was memorable extremely high-quality regular season basketball as well. Orlando would have never sniffed the finals had KG not gotten hurt as you saw the very next year that even with a gimpy Garnett, Rashard Lewis was effectively not only negated but outplayed by KG and the Celtics took that series easily in 6, winning the first three despite a lack of home court advantage - and that Magic team was better than the one the year before that actually made the finals.
Ill also add that the Chauncey/Melo Nuggets were clearly better and more physical and even hotter than the Suns in 2010. You got the feeling in 09 that the Nuggets could actually steal the series from the Lakers. In 2010, it felt like a coronation waiting to happen with the slight blip when the Lakers let the foot off the gas pedal in game 5 and almost allowed the Suns to steal that series until Artest saved them |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | I'm going with 1987. You had 2 of the top 4 players of all-time. You had a third Hall of Famer in Worthy. You had one of the best defenders of his era in Cooper, who was DPOY that very season. Another thing about Cooper was that he was a really good 3-point shooter for his era, and particularly in 1986-87, when he shot .385 from that range. Just to give y'all some perspective, Cooper's league adjusted 3-point % was a +128, and he was a +114 for his career. By comparison, Khris Middleton is a career .392 shooter from 3-point range, and his career league adjusted 3-point % stands at .110. Think about that! You had the DPOY who was basically shooting from 3 better than Middleton when you compare eras, and I realize that he wasn't shooting it on as high of a volume. Still, when you have 3 HOF'ers and you have him able to make 3's at a good rate and to play that kind of defense, that's so incredibly valuable. Oh by the way, you also had solid starters in Byron and AC, and, in what I think is key, Mychal Thompson on the roster as well. That was a huge addition. |
I don't know how you can fairly compare teams from different eras. If I had to rank them, it would be based on the "iconic" factor more than anything else. '87 was one of the most iconic teams in the history of the league. '72 was close, though it is not as widely remembered today due to the passage of time. The threepeat teams and the Kobe double teams are largely forgotten already, except among Laker fans. It's not that the teams weren't good, but rather that they weren't that interesting. '80 is more iconic than those teams. '85 and '88 are sort of lost in the shuffle.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | '85 and '88 are sort of lost in the shuffle. |
'85 was historic. |
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I'd say '85 or '87. Both were driven by that extra revenge factor. '85 might have had a bit more scoring punch and depth off the bench, while '87 was more solid up front with Mychal. It's a tough call.
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1948 (43-17, 8-2)
29 year old 6'0" G Herm Schaefer
28 year old 6'0" G Don Carlson
26 year old 6'4" G/F Jack Dwan
25 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
23 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1949 (44-16, 8-2)
30 year old 6'0" G Herm Schaefer
29 year old 6'0" G Don Carlson
23 year old 6'2" G/F Arnie Ferrin
26 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
24 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1950 (51-17, 10-2, 1-0)
24 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
24 year old 6'2" G/F Arnie Ferrin
27 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
21 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
25 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1952 (40-26, 9-4)
26 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
27 year old 6'2" G Pep Saul
29 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
23 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
27 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1953 (48-22, 9-3)
27 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
28 year old 6'2" G Pep Saul
30 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
24 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
28 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1954 (46-26, 6-4)
28 year old 5'10" G Slater Martin
27 year old 5'11" G Whitey Skoog
31 year old 6'4" F Jim Pollard
25 year old 6'7" F/C Vern Mikkleson
29 year old 6'10" C George Mikan
1972 (69-13, 12-3)
33 year old 6'3" G Jerry West
28 year old 6'1" G Gail Goodrich
23 year old 6'5" F Jim Mcmillian
29 year old 6'7" F/C Happy Hairston
35 year old 7'1" C Wilt Chamberlain
1980 (60-22, 12-4)
20 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
24 year old 6'2" G Norm Nixon
26 year old 6'6" F Jamaal Wilkes
30 year old 6'11" F/C Jim Chones
32 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
23 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
1982 (57-25, 12-2)
22 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
26 year old 6'2" G Norm Nixon
28 year old 6'6" F Jamaal Wilkes
23 year old 6'8" F/C Kurt Rambis
34 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
25 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
30 year old 6'9" F/C Bob Mcadoo
1985 (62-20, 15-4)
25 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
23 year old 6'4" G Byron Scott
23 year old 6'9" F James Worthy
26 year old 6'8" F/C Kurt Rambis
37 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
28 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
33 year old 6'9" F/C Bob Mcadoo
1987 (65-17, 15-3)
27 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
25 year old 6'4" G Byron Scott
25 year old 6'9" F James Worthy
23 year old 6'9" F/C AC Green
39 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
30 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
32 year old 6'10" F/C Mychal Thompson
1988 (62-20, 15-9)
28 year old 6'9" G Magic Johnson
26 year old 6'4" G Byron Scott
26 year old 6'9" F James Worthy
24 year old 6'9" F/C AC Green
40 year old 7'2" C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
31 year old 6'5" G/F Michael Cooper
33 year old 6'10" F/C Mychal Thompson
2000 (67-15, 15-8)
36 year old 6'6" G Ron Harper
21 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
32 year old 6'8" F Glenn Rice
36 year old 6'9" F/C AC Green
27 year old 7'1" C Shaquille O'Neal
29 year old 6'10" F/C Robert Horry
2001 (56-26, 15-1)
26 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
22 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
31 year old 6'7" F Rick Fox
35 year old 6'10" F/C Horace Grant
28 year old 7'1" C Shaquille O'Neal
30 year old 6'10" F/C Robert Horry
2002 (58-24, 15-4)
27 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
23 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
32 year old 6'7" F Rick Fox
31 year old 6'10" F/C Robert Horry
29 year old 7'1" C Shaquille O'Neal
2009 (65-17, 16-7)
34 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
30 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
23 year old 6'8" F Trevor Ariza
28 year old 7'0" F/C Pau Gasol
21 year old 7'0" C Andrew Bynum
29 year old 6'10" F Lamar Odom
2010 (57-25, 16-7)
35 year old 6'1" G Derek Fisher
31 year old 6'6" G/F Kobe Bryant
30 year old 6'7" F Ron Artest
29 year old 7'0" F/C Pau Gasol
22 year old 7'0" C Andrew Bynum
30 year old 6'10" F Lamar Odom
2020 (52-19, 16-5)
33 year old 6'1" G Rajon Rondo
32 year old 6'6" G/F Danny Green
35 year old 6'9" F Lebron James
26 year old 6'10" F/C Anthony Davis
34 year old 6'10" C Dwight Howard
25 year old 6'4" G Alex Caruso
26 year old 6'5" G/F Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
24 year old 6'9" F Kyle Kuzma
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | '85 and '88 are sort of lost in the shuffle. |
'85 was historic. |
Finally beating the Celtics was a big deal at the time. I can understand why that's still a big deal to many people. Just the same, the '87 team is more iconic. When people talk about how they miss the style of basketball from the '80s, they usually refer to the '87 team. That was the stylistic pinnacle.
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | lakeshowtacular wrote: | | cycl0nus wrote: | 01
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Why is the 09 team ranked so low? If we rank the Kobe/Pau teams, this team was clearly the best as they could play fast despite a two big lineup and yet play great defense. Also the last year in which Kobe vs Lebron was a real debate as the very next year, the assumption was Bron was the better player with Kobe's physical knee issues. A healthy Garnett would have possibly given us the greatest NBA finals ever as the 09 Celtics were the best rendition for them as well with Rondo and Perkins making a terrific jump and KG/Pierce/Allen not losing anything from a year before - hell that team started 27-2 until they lost to the Lakers on Christmas day and that streak was no fluke - they were that good. Not to mention that Feb 2009 game that went to overtime with Pau blocking Allen's three at the buzzer was memorable extremely high-quality regular season basketball as well. Orlando would have never sniffed the finals had KG not gotten hurt as you saw the very next year that even with a gimpy Garnett, Rashard Lewis was effectively not only negated but outplayed by KG and the Celtics took that series easily in 6, winning the first three despite a lack of home court advantage - and that Magic team was better than the one the year before that actually made the finals.
Ill also add that the Chauncey/Melo Nuggets were clearly better and more physical and even hotter than the Suns in 2010. You got the feeling in 09 that the Nuggets could actually steal the series from the Lakers. In 2010, it felt like a coronation waiting to happen with the slight blip when the Lakers let the foot off the gas pedal in game 5 and almost allowed the Suns to steal that series until Artest saved them |
all great points! it was tough to rank for me, but how nice it is that we do have that select luxury of ranking our championships 
as for 09, though they were a very good team, i do consider them the last out of those iconic teams. they just didnt face boston.. i rank them slightly higher than 02... but maybe 02 gets the nod and cracks the top 10 because of the 3pt??? |
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| cycl0nus wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | | lakeshowtacular wrote: | | cycl0nus wrote: | 01
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Why is the 09 team ranked so low? If we rank the Kobe/Pau teams, this team was clearly the best as they could play fast despite a two big lineup and yet play great defense. Also the last year in which Kobe vs Lebron was a real debate as the very next year, the assumption was Bron was the better player with Kobe's physical knee issues. A healthy Garnett would have possibly given us the greatest NBA finals ever as the 09 Celtics were the best rendition for them as well with Rondo and Perkins making a terrific jump and KG/Pierce/Allen not losing anything from a year before - hell that team started 27-2 until they lost to the Lakers on Christmas day and that streak was no fluke - they were that good. Not to mention that Feb 2009 game that went to overtime with Pau blocking Allen's three at the buzzer was memorable extremely high-quality regular season basketball as well. Orlando would have never sniffed the finals had KG not gotten hurt as you saw the very next year that even with a gimpy Garnett, Rashard Lewis was effectively not only negated but outplayed by KG and the Celtics took that series easily in 6, winning the first three despite a lack of home court advantage - and that Magic team was better than the one the year before that actually made the finals.
Ill also add that the Chauncey/Melo Nuggets were clearly better and more physical and even hotter than the Suns in 2010. You got the feeling in 09 that the Nuggets could actually steal the series from the Lakers. In 2010, it felt like a coronation waiting to happen with the slight blip when the Lakers let the foot off the gas pedal in game 5 and almost allowed the Suns to steal that series until Artest saved them |
all great points! it was tough to rank for me, but how nice it is that we do have that select luxury of ranking our championships
as for 09, though they were a very good team, i do consider them the last out of those iconic teams. they just didnt face boston.. i rank them slightly higher than 02... but maybe 02 gets the nod and cracks the top 10 because of the 3pt??? |
Definitely agree with your top 3 though. I just cant see a situation where the 01 team can be beaten by any of the past Laker teams or maybe any past NBA team....my goodness that team had it all - two headed monsters that were 2 of the 3 best players in the league at the time (including Duncan in that top 3 with Shaq clearly #1 and Kobe/TD at #2 or #3 and Iverson/Garnett at #4/#5) with the perfect role players that were clutch and playoff tested and completely in sync with the superstars - what they did to San Antonio, a 58 win team and "best" record in the league - I dont think Ive ever seen anything quite like that.
87 Lakers were Magic at his best and the Showtime Lakers in full flow and AC Green even in his second year was definitely an upgrade over Kurt Rambis and Mychal Thompson was just huge. Not to mention Byron Scott was now all-star caliber in the realm of Rolando Blackman and Clyde Drexler. Even accounting for KAJ's slight decline which was more due to the Lakers playing through Magic than KAJ's actual physical decline, this team definitely takes it over the 1985 team. And even though Boston was suffering physical injuries, that 1987 team beating the Celtics to me was almost never in doubt similar to vibes of the 2010 WCF vs Suns I mentioned earlier. That 1985 vs Celtics though.....the Lakers were slightly better but you just never knew with the Celtics mystique. |
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as for 09, though they were a very good team, i do consider them the last out of those iconic teams. they just didnt face boston.. i rank them slightly higher than 02... but maybe 02 gets the nod and cracks the top 10 because of the 3pt??? |
Kobe won with one of the weakest supporting casts in history.
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I have the 2010 season ahead of 88 and 20 because of the Boston Revenge factor, the Red years I don't remember as I was born in late '75 and 1985 was the first time I watched every game. This is how I rank em' too. Great list. |
Why is the 09 team ranked so low? If we rank the Kobe/Pau teams, this team was clearly the best as they could play fast despite a two big lineup and yet play great defense. Also the last year in which Kobe vs Lebron was a real debate as the very next year, the assumption was Bron was the better player with Kobe's physical knee issues. A healthy Garnett would have possibly given us the greatest NBA finals ever as the 09 Celtics were the best rendition for them as well with Rondo and Perkins making a terrific jump and KG/Pierce/Allen not losing anything from a year before - hell that team started 27-2 until they lost to the Lakers on Christmas day and that streak was no fluke - they were that good. Not to mention that Feb 2009 game that went to overtime with Pau blocking Allen's three at the buzzer was memorable extremely high-quality regular season basketball as well. Orlando would have never sniffed the finals had KG not gotten hurt as you saw the very next year that even with a gimpy Garnett, Rashard Lewis was effectively not only negated but outplayed by KG and the Celtics took that series easily in 6, winning the first three despite a lack of home court advantage - and that Magic team was better than the one the year before that actually made the finals.
Ill also add that the Chauncey/Melo Nuggets were clearly better and more physical and even hotter than the Suns in 2010. You got the feeling in 09 that the Nuggets could actually steal the series from the Lakers. In 2010, it felt like a coronation waiting to happen with the slight blip when the Lakers let the foot off the gas pedal in game 5 and almost allowed the Suns to steal that series until Artest saved them |
all great points! it was tough to rank for me, but how nice it is that we do have that select luxury of ranking our championships
as for 09, though they were a very good team, i do consider them the last out of those iconic teams. they just didnt face boston.. i rank them slightly higher than 02... but maybe 02 gets the nod and cracks the top 10 because of the 3pt??? |
Definitely agree with your top 3 though. I just cant see a situation where the 01 team can be beaten by any of the past Laker teams or maybe any past NBA team....my goodness that team had it all - two headed monsters that were 2 of the 3 best players in the league at the time (including Duncan in that top 3 with Shaq clearly #1 and Kobe/TD at #2 or #3 and Iverson/Garnett at #4/#5) with the perfect role players that were clutch and playoff tested and completely in sync with the superstars - what they did to San Antonio, a 58 win team and "best" record in the league - I dont think Ive ever seen anything quite like that.
87 Lakers were Magic at his best and the Showtime Lakers in full flow and AC Green even in his second year was definitely an upgrade over Kurt Rambis and Mychal Thompson was just huge. Not to mention Byron Scott was now all-star caliber in the realm of Rolando Blackman and Clyde Drexler. Even accounting for KAJ's slight decline which was more due to the Lakers playing through Magic than KAJ's actual physical decline, this team definitely takes it over the 1985 team. And even though Boston was suffering physical injuries, that 1987 team beating the Celtics to me was almost never in doubt similar to vibes of the 2010 WCF vs Suns I mentioned earlier. That 1985 vs Celtics though.....the Lakers were slightly better but you just never knew with the Celtics mystique. |
i think that 86 celtics team, along with 01 lakers and 85/87 lakers can beat the 96, 91/92 bulls in a 7 gm series. 85 boston challenged KAJ and look what happened. |
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which is definitely a testament to kobe bean |
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I have the 2010 season ahead of 88 and 20 because of the Boston Revenge factor, the Red years I don't remember as I was born in late '75 and 1985 was the first time I watched every game. This is how I rank em' too. Great list. |
Why is the 09 team ranked so low? If we rank the Kobe/Pau teams, this team was clearly the best as they could play fast despite a two big lineup and yet play great defense. Also the last year in which Kobe vs Lebron was a real debate as the very next year, the assumption was Bron was the better player with Kobe's physical knee issues. A healthy Garnett would have possibly given us the greatest NBA finals ever as the 09 Celtics were the best rendition for them as well with Rondo and Perkins making a terrific jump and KG/Pierce/Allen not losing anything from a year before - hell that team started 27-2 until they lost to the Lakers on Christmas day and that streak was no fluke - they were that good. Not to mention that Feb 2009 game that went to overtime with Pau blocking Allen's three at the buzzer was memorable extremely high-quality regular season basketball as well. Orlando would have never sniffed the finals had KG not gotten hurt as you saw the very next year that even with a gimpy Garnett, Rashard Lewis was effectively not only negated but outplayed by KG and the Celtics took that series easily in 6, winning the first three despite a lack of home court advantage - and that Magic team was better than the one the year before that actually made the finals.
Ill also add that the Chauncey/Melo Nuggets were clearly better and more physical and even hotter than the Suns in 2010. You got the feeling in 09 that the Nuggets could actually steal the series from the Lakers. In 2010, it felt like a coronation waiting to happen with the slight blip when the Lakers let the foot off the gas pedal in game 5 and almost allowed the Suns to steal that series until Artest saved them |
all great points! it was tough to rank for me, but how nice it is that we do have that select luxury of ranking our championships
as for 09, though they were a very good team, i do consider them the last out of those iconic teams. they just didnt face boston.. i rank them slightly higher than 02... but maybe 02 gets the nod and cracks the top 10 because of the 3pt??? |
Definitely agree with your top 3 though. I just cant see a situation where the 01 team can be beaten by any of the past Laker teams or maybe any past NBA team....my goodness that team had it all - two headed monsters that were 2 of the 3 best players in the league at the time (including Duncan in that top 3 with Shaq clearly #1 and Kobe/TD at #2 or #3 and Iverson/Garnett at #4/#5) with the perfect role players that were clutch and playoff tested and completely in sync with the superstars - what they did to San Antonio, a 58 win team and "best" record in the league - I dont think Ive ever seen anything quite like that.
87 Lakers were Magic at his best and the Showtime Lakers in full flow and AC Green even in his second year was definitely an upgrade over Kurt Rambis and Mychal Thompson was just huge. Not to mention Byron Scott was now all-star caliber in the realm of Rolando Blackman and Clyde Drexler. Even accounting for KAJ's slight decline which was more due to the Lakers playing through Magic than KAJ's actual physical decline, this team definitely takes it over the 1985 team. And even though Boston was suffering physical injuries, that 1987 team beating the Celtics to me was almost never in doubt similar to vibes of the 2010 WCF vs Suns I mentioned earlier. That 1985 vs Celtics though.....the Lakers were slightly better but you just never knew with the Celtics mystique. |
that celtic mystique... jeezus..its real. during that era, soooo much bad blood. never hated anyone or anything until my father introduced me to this rivalry. then you have a stone cold killer in bird just hitting big shot after big shot. those 80s celtics gave me grey hairs and i was only 9 |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ThePageDude wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | '85 and '88 are sort of lost in the shuffle. |
'85 was historic. |
Finally beating the Celtics was a big deal at the time. I can understand why that's still a big deal to many people. Just the same, the '87 team is more iconic. When people talk about how they miss the style of basketball from the '80s, they usually refer to the '87 team. That was the stylistic pinnacle. |
Agreed. 87, 85, and 01 for me
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| oasisdude77 wrote: | | ksmgf wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2000-2001, Shaq was the most dominant force I have seen in the league. That playoff run is legendary. The fact that they somewhat coasted during the regular season and people said they were done made the playoffs more special. |
The dismantling of the Spurs that year in the WCF was like watching a cheetah take down a gazelle. And Kobe was brilliant that series. |
Kobe owned the Spurs in the that series. I miss those days! |
Didn’t D-Fish come back from injury in the spurs series after missing most of the year and go like 15-20 from 3-point land? He was on fire this series. |
Fisher came back to end the season and start the run.
Yes he shot 75% from three versus the spurs to sweep them, so you died if you were them and doubled Kobe and Shaq.
Fish also played on a fractured foot in the finals and dunked on Iverson lol.
Did I mention that in the close out games of the 4 series, fisher averaged 21 points per game that run? |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I was re-watching a documentary on the 1986-87 Lakers team. What a beautiful squad. That just got me thinking, what do we consider as the best Lakers teams all-time? Here are my candidates:
1986-87: Magic/Worthy/KAJ, with Byron/AC/Coop/Thompson off the bench. I think this is such a versatile and deep team.
2000-01: Shaq/Kobe. Nuff' said with that dynamic duo.
1984-85: younger version of that 86-87 team (in terms of Magic/Worth/KAJ).
2009-10: Kobe/Pau, with really strong role support in guys like Odom, Artest, Fisher, Bynum, etc. Nostalgically, one of my favorite teams, especially b/c we beat the Celtics.
1981-82: an earlier iteration of Showtime with Nixon/Wilkes joining Magic/KAJ.
1971-72: an aging Wilt, but dominant duo of West/Goodrich in the backcourt.
My personal top two (in order) are the 1986-87 squad, then 2000-01.
What are yours, and am I missing some? |
87 Lakers all day long. GOAT champions:
87 Lakers
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17-18 Dubs
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Shaq and Kobe most dominant but I think 09-10 Lakers were the most versatile team and you could drop them in today's league and they would be a nightmare against any team.
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SG: Vujačić
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