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ducasse
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| defense wrote: | | ThePageDude wrote: | | defense wrote: | | ThePageDude wrote: | I think people in this thread have it all wrong, just swapping Ham for another roach (even a known name) is not going to make a meaningful difference.
What is needed is more, way more, and thus is unlikely to happen: a total change in culture. I'll say more about that below, but this means cleaning house top to bottom, period, new FO, new coaching staff, new top-level advisers, and many of the current big-name players gone.
Now to culture; learn from Miami - that organization is by no means perfect (e.g. they don't draft particularly well) BUT they have an identifiable culture, any NBA fan can recount their attributes: they get the max out of non-stars, play hard, play together, emphasize team over individuals, never give up, they value excellence in coaching. They go farther with lesser talent than anyone else and they proudly do it the "Miami way" no matter whether they have a bad year or don't make the playoffs. (Check into what Haslem does for them).
The Lakers don't need Miami's culture, they need their own personality that they stick with through thick and thin. If one asks a random NBA fan, describe the Lakers organization recently, besides being confused and at a loss for words (or mocking) what attributes would they come up with? Would the word "excellence" come up much for any aspect of the organization?
I'm pissed, and I needed to vent. Thanks for listening. |
Winningest franchise is what I think of and some of the greatest players ever. |
Sure, those are things that the organization HAD, what describes current culture are the qualities the organization possesses NOW.
To illustrate the difference if you ask people about Miami, no one would bring up their first 10 years where they were not only perennial losers but also badly managed - they did not have the current personality and qualities. The 90s were their history but does not define them right now. |
Miami is mad over hyped at this moment lol. They are not any better than the Lakers as a franchise... not in the past and not now. All this culture stuff is great and I encourage a strong culture, but ultimately the best players win championships. It's extremely rare when the best players are not winning, culture or not. |
That's so true. You almost always need to have the best players to win it all. Spo's coaching gets you some extra wins but it doesn't get you rings unless the talent is there. |
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mad55557777
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| 2019 wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | you get what you paid for.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2024/03/13/highest-paid-nba-coaches/72897044007/
Pockets earns 4 mil by estimate, (lakers were probably too ashamed to give out the detail numbers).
4 million probably ranks in the bottom five in term of NBA coaches. there are 16 college basketball coaches earns more than that.
1. Steve Kerr, two-year, $35 million extension through 2025-26 season
2. Gregg Popovich, five-year, $80 million contract
3. Erik Spoelstra, eight-year, $120 million extension
4. Monty Williams, six-year, $78.5 million contract
these are the top coaches earnings in the NBA, yes, even the piston shell out for a coach.
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We turn this to a billboard and place it all over LA.
This here is the issue in coaches. We are constantly looking for the best price we can find and/or haggling over terms. It's like owning a $100M home and furnishing it with Ikea and wondering why it looks and feels cheap.
We rushed to fire Vogel and missed on Nurse. The way we fired Vogel turned off Snyder who CHOSE Atlanta over LA.
The whole thing is a mess and until Jeanie is willing to pony up for a coach and FO we're going to spiral. That said, a better coach would have likely had us to the 4/5 seed and perhaps the 2nd round. My hope is we can start small and get a better coach bc I just don't see both being gone this time next week. |
Snyder and Nurse both makes 8 million, so you see why they didn't chose the Lakers. |
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We'll wait for the Laker exit interviews, but I suspect AD, Rui, AR,
Wood, and a few others are gonna let it be known that coaching was to blame for yet another post season letdown. Something tells me there will be big changes this summer... |
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Day
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Yeah , they're ready for a new coach. |
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danzag
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Shut the (bleep) up, dumb ass |
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Head Coach: Terry Stotts
Asst Head Coach: Dave Joerger
Assistaints:
• Phil Handy
• Rajon Rondo
+ others
My alts for HC would be Atkinson though I think he’s more of a developmental guy
My alt for Asst HC would be James Borrego
I like Adelman and Johnnie Bryantbut don’t see them hiring a rookie HC
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Robblake
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Mutha (bleep) do you watch any film? (bleep) ass gets blown out EVERY THIRD quarter! Doesn’t have a contingency plan for the nuggets surge or a strategy to minimize it or keep our guys head in the game. (bleep) predicable |
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anth2000
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| Robblake wrote: |
Mutha (bleep) do you watch any film? (bleep) ass gets blown out EVERY THIRD quarter! Doesn’t have a contingency plan for the nuggets surge or a strategy to minimize it or keep our guys head in the game. (bleep) predicable |
I can’t listen to Ham anymore.
He’s a crappy coach.
Can’t make adjustments and never has the team mentally prepared for battle.
That’s one thing Phil Jackson was great at. |
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| Anychance Vogel is fired if Minny sweeps the Suns? That could work out for us. |
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mad55557777
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| Vin wrote: | | Anychance Vogel is fired if Minny sweeps the Suns? That could work out for us. |
How? |
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Denny_Russo
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| Vin wrote: | | Anychance Vogel is fired if Minny sweeps the Suns? That could work out for us. |
He ain't coming back to the same organization that did him dirty. Everyone knows Rob is a snake by now.
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miggz23
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| Vin wrote: | | Anychance Vogel is fired if Minny sweeps the Suns? That could work out for us. |
Ty Lue another coach to look out for... |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Robblake wrote: |
Mutha (bleep) do you watch any film? (bleep) ass gets blown out EVERY THIRD quarter! Doesn’t have a contingency plan for the nuggets surge or a strategy to minimize it or keep our guys head in the game. (bleep) predicable |
I can’t listen to Ham anymore.
He’s a crappy coach.
Can’t make adjustments and never has the team mentally prepared for battle.
That’s one thing Phil Jackson was great at. |
Lately I've been thinking of the Laker team under Phil that took the 2nd seed Suns to 7 games. The series where we went up 3-1 after Kobes iconic buzzer beater from the elbow. I've always felt that was Phil's greatest coaching performance. He had every player on that roster so dialed in. Even the scrubs like Kwame, Luke Walton, Smush (!) made an impact in that series. Phil is GOAT for a reason, and it's not just because he simply had talent. We haven't had a quality coach in so long. |
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| Rondo or JJ |
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Lakesh0wtime
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I’m stating who I’d want as our coach.
Thanks for providing your opinion. |
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| iimarshon wrote: | Head Coach: Terry Stotts
Asst Head Coach: Dave Joerger
Assistaints:
• Phil Handy
• Rajon Rondo
+ others
My alts for HC would be Atkinson though I think he’s more of a developmental guy
My alt for Asst HC would be James Borrego
I like Adelman and Johnnie Bryantbut don’t see them hiring a rookie HC |
Kenny Atkinson has also just spent years with the Warriors system. And he never got the chance to prove what he could do after developing his team because they switched the whole team on him and brought in people that didn't think they needed to be coached.
The Lakers got a lot of young talent and one/two true vet. Atkinson would be a good coach to put with the team.
And if DLO opted in because the Lakers had Atkinson, I'm willing to bet the ball would be in his hands a lot more than it is with Ham, despite LeBron's insistence at playing point.
Personally I think Atkinson and Stotts in the same staff would be helpful. if Stotts was willing to be an assistant again.
Kenny Atkinson as Head Coach
Terry Stotts as Assistant Coach
What the Lakers need is a true defensive assistant though on that staff too. Someone that understands that drop-coverage 100% of the time doesn't work.
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Ever notice that everything out of this guys mouth is a cliché?
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danzag
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| Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| iimarshon wrote: | Head Coach: Terry Stotts
Asst Head Coach: Dave Joerger
Assistaints:
• Phil Handy
• Rajon Rondo
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I actually like this |
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| Rondo is interesting…seems pretty much universally accepted as a great basketball mind, even from LBJ, but another rookie coach? I’m not so sure…I think we have to see what happens with the roster a bit to determine who might be the best fit as a coach….it’s definitely not pockets…who I can see as a good assistant coach, but not head coach…he is more like the guy you get to compliment the X’s and O’s guy. |
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| Any chance Lue can be available? |
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lakersfever714
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| Day wrote: |
Yeah , they're ready for a new coach. |
and new GM. Jeanie needs to clean house this offseason. Seriously!
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iimarshon
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Praying Clips and Lue split ways but I dont see it.
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iimarshon
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| MJST wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | Head Coach: Terry Stotts
Asst Head Coach: Dave Joerger
Assistaints:
• Phil Handy
• Rajon Rondo
+ others
My alts for HC would be Atkinson though I think he’s more of a developmental guy
My alt for Asst HC would be James Borrego
I like Adelman and Johnnie Bryantbut don’t see them hiring a rookie HC |
Kenny Atkinson has also just spent years with the Warriors system. And he never got the chance to prove what he could do after developing his team because they switched the whole team on him and brought in people that didn't think they needed to be coached.
The Lakers got a lot of young talent and one/two true vet. Atkinson would be a good coach to put with the team.
And if DLO opted in because the Lakers had Atkinson, I'm willing to bet the ball would be in his hands a lot more than it is with Ham, despite LeBron's insistence at playing point.
Personally I think Atkinson and Stotts in the same staff would be helpful. if Stotts was willing to be an assistant again.
Kenny Atkinson as Head Coach
Terry Stotts as Assistant Coach
What the Lakers need is a true defensive assistant though on that staff too. Someone that understands that drop-coverage 100% of the time doesn't work. |
I dont mind Kenny either, I just always think of him as more of a young team / developmental coach and Stotts has had some playoff runs and experience with star(s).
People always talk highly of Joerger but seems his weakness was relationships with FO and stuff so him as a lead Asst seems interesting.
Hopefully we keep Handy either way. And I think Rondo would be an interesting assistant as most do.
Ideally we get two of: Kenny, Stotts, Joerger --- or even on lower end someone like Borrego or Steve Clifford.
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