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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:41 pm Post subject:
Halflife wrote:
this all points to Kyrie being here.
I’m actually believing the opposite.
Kyrie letting it be clear it’s all about the highest dollar sign.
Cuban guaranteed won’t do any favors and would rather deal with Steve Balmer before Jeanie
I do wonder what involvement if any does Lebron have to do with this? Even if there was a realistic trade to be had for Lebron to Dallas that doesn't seem like a situation where Lebron would succeed. Mavs were already the worst defensive team after the Kyrie trade. I don't think Luka/Lebron/Kyrie and minimum players is anything close to a championship contender. It doesn't seem realistic that Lebron would want to go from LA to Dallas just to lose.
Feels like either Lebron is trying to gain some level of leverage to pressure the Lakers to trade for Kyrie, or Kyrie went rogue with this. Would Kyrie really push the Mavs to try to trade for Lebron with no knowledge from Lebron? That would seem odd as well. It is Kyrie so you never know with him.
Kyrie letting it be clear it’s all about the highest dollar sign.
Cuban guaranteed won’t do any favors and would rather deal with Steve Balmer before Jeanie
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:59 pm Post subject:
KingKobe20 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
this all points to Kyrie being here.
I’m actually believing the opposite.
Kyrie letting it be clear it’s all about the highest dollar sign.
Cuban guaranteed won’t do any favors and would rather deal with Steve Balmer before Jeanie
If the Clippers had draft picks they could make a good offer for Kyrie. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
I do wonder what involvement if any does Lebron have to do with this? Even if there was a realistic trade to be had for Lebron to Dallas that doesn't seem like a situation where Lebron would succeed. Mavs were already the worst defensive team after the Kyrie trade. I don't think Luka/Lebron/Kyrie and minimum players is anything close to a championship contender. It doesn't seem realistic that Lebron would want to go from LA to Dallas just to lose.
Feels like either Lebron is trying to gain some level of leverage to pressure the Lakers to trade for Kyrie, or Kyrie went rogue with this. Would Kyrie really push the Mavs to try to trade for Lebron with no knowledge from Lebron? That would seem odd as well. It is Kyrie so you never know with him.
You might see lots of vets like Lopez/Clarkson taking a big paycut to go play in Dallas
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:27 pm Post subject:
If you swap Kyrie in for DLO this season (while still having Vanderbilt, Rui, etc.), do we win the championship? One way of thinking about it is that we lost the Nuggets games by a few points each with DLO averaging 6.3 ppg in the series. So Kyrie even averaging 16 would make them all victories. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Kyrie letting it be clear it’s all about the highest dollar sign.
Cuban guaranteed won’t do any favors and would rather deal with Steve Balmer before Jeanie
If the Clippers had draft picks they could make a good offer for Kyrie.
With the clippers it's always the if story 😂
If they were healthy
If they had picks
If they had a decent gm 😂
If they want LeBron. They give us Luka. No compromises.
Luka, reaves, Rui is a nice base.
With AD too! That’d be crazy huh? Talk about flipping the league on its head! Could Kyrie really be serious tho? Surely he’s just being passive aggressive ego tripping like why should I join you LBJ? You should join me cause I’m a bigger star lol! Kyrie is just trying to get paid is the most likely cause tho. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
If they want LeBron. They give us Luka. No compromises.
Luka, reaves, Rui is a nice base.
With AD too! That’d be crazy huh? Talk about flipping the league on its head! Could Kyrie really be serious tho? Surely he’s just being passive aggressive ego tripping like why should I join you LBJ? You should join me cause I’m a bigger star lol! Kyrie is just trying to get paid is the most likely cause tho.
I doubt Cuban would just say: great idea Kyrie, let's trade our franchise player Luka for 39yr old lebron and ur build around ur fickle head
If you swap Kyrie in for DLO this season (while still having Vanderbilt, Rui, etc.), do we win the championship? One way of thinking about it is that we lost the Nuggets games by a few points each with DLO averaging 6.3 ppg in the series. So Kyrie even averaging 16 would make them all victories.
I get why many don’t want Kyrie on the Lakers…I think 🤔…but make no mistake about it, if he doesn’t flake out, which is a significant enough risk to consider, it would make the team much better.
I’m not against it like many others tho. I’m just not willing to make certain sacrifices for it and would prefer running the exact team back instead of losing either of: Schro/AR/Rui/LBJ/AD. I’d like to keep Mo/Vandi/LWIV too but none of them would be deal killers.
And it’s not that I think Schro is all that…I just want to maintain a back up PG that has shown he can be at least somewhat effective as a starter in an emergency. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
If they want LeBron. They give us Luka. No compromises.
Luka, reaves, Rui is a nice base.
With AD too! That’d be crazy huh? Talk about flipping the league on its head! Could Kyrie really be serious tho? Surely he’s just being passive aggressive ego tripping like why should I join you LBJ? You should join me cause I’m a bigger star lol! Kyrie is just trying to get paid is the most likely cause tho.
I doubt Cuban would just say: great idea Kyrie, let's trade our franchise player Luka for 39yr old lebron and ur build around ur fickle head
Oh no doubt, it’s not happening. I’m just laughing at the parody! _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
If they want LeBron. They give us Luka. No compromises.
Luka, reaves, Rui is a nice base.
With AD too! That’d be crazy huh? Talk about flipping the league on its head! Could Kyrie really be serious tho? Surely he’s just being passive aggressive ego tripping like why should I join you LBJ? You should join me cause I’m a bigger star lol! Kyrie is just trying to get paid is the most likely cause tho.
I doubt Cuban would just say: great idea Kyrie, let's trade our franchise player Luka for 39yr old lebron and ur build around ur fickle head
Oh no doubt, it’s not happening. I’m just laughing at the parody!
From the moment James hinted at retirement following the Lakers being swept by the Denver Nuggets in the Western Conference finals, there was a sense among those with and around the organization that his comments were partly a tactic to apply pressure on the franchise to make a significant roster upgrade this offseason. James’ preferred upgrade, many assumed, was Irving. But one team source indicated that James is not using Irving’s interest in playing with him as leverage to try to get the Lakers to trade for Irving this offseason.
From the Buha article today
James may well just want to get a better defensive big to combat Jokic, and a more reliable 3nD guard next to Reaves. It's not always Kyrie or bust. Think James understands his team has AD, Reaves, Rui, DLO etc. They have a lot of pieces. He has won a few rings and got a 4-0 beatdown from the Nuggets. He may just want pieces that would put his team over the Nuggets and other teams.
It doesn't have to be a Kyrie or bring everyone back thing. There's an option C. Bring some players back, and trade some players for an upgrade. Try to possibly upgrade also using the MLE or TP-MLE.
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:29 am Post subject:
Why do so many want a Luka, Tyrie, or any superstar? We're LINK close to being a contender with what we have. Getting a superstar might mean breaking up our core.
We don't need a superstar. We need decent perimeter shooters. I remember what we accomplished with the crew we have. A little tweak here and there would make us a serious contender without a superstar.
Give Wayne Ellington some PT to build his confidence. Look at Sweet Lou Williams. I know he's a bit long in tooth but he's still a sniper. There are good shooters becoming FA next season. Look around. Put the work in. Win now is what got us into the mess we're in. I can't emphasize enough how important patience is. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:46 am Post subject:
Is patience called for with an aging star in Lebron who hasn’t been healthy in any full season here and could have foot surgery this offseason? Along with AD who has the same physical impairments but is a lesser player than Lebron? I actually agree that chasing a third star, particularly one as unreliable as Kyrie, isn’t the correct way to proceed. Especially if it includes trading young players/picks. Where I disagree is saying that the organization is close to a title, everything broke right for them this offseason and they ended up being swept. Lebron might have 2 seasons, same for AD. Let’s keep all of the current and potential assets for when we no longer have Lebron. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
If you swap Kyrie in for DLO this season (while still having Vanderbilt, Rui, etc.), do we win the championship? One way of thinking about it is that we lost the Nuggets games by a few points each with DLO averaging 6.3 ppg in the series. So Kyrie even averaging 16 would make them all victories.
Not if you take the ball out of Kyrie’s hands and turn him into a spot up shooter like the Lakers did with DLO in the West Finals. Are you going to ask Kyrie to make 3-pointers off EXIT SCREENS which equal baseline pin down screens set by the wing player for catch & shoot shots like the Lakers did with DLO, friend?
Kyrie is not a Laker and I've already been tired of him for 3 seasons.
The funny part is once he signs his Dallas deal you’d think that would be the end of it. Just like the trade to Dallas should have been the end of it. But the season will start and Dallas will keep struggling and instead of feeling a sense of relief at the dodged bullet the same people will be clamoring at now getting him in a trade (for scraps, obviously.) That won’t happen and then it will really heat up at the deadline despite no reporting that this is anything we are interested in. Then that’ll pass and it will heat up again in the summer. We live in a world of perpetual, year round Kyrie rumors now. All because he hit a big shot 7 years ago. _________________ 14-5-3-12
If Kyrie was so interested in playing with LBJ, maybe he shouldn't have fought his way out of the Cavs and into the journeyman position he is in now. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
If you swap Kyrie in for DLO this season (while still having Vanderbilt, Rui, etc.), do we win the championship? One way of thinking about it is that we lost the Nuggets games by a few points each with DLO averaging 6.3 ppg in the series. So Kyrie even averaging 16 would make them all victories.
Not if you take the ball out of Kyrie’s hands and turn him into a spot up shooter like the Lakers did with DLO in the West Finals. Are you going to ask Kyrie to make 3-pointers off EXIT SCREENS which equal baseline pin down screens set by the wing player for catch & shoot shots like the Lakers did with DLO, friend?
Dlo and Kyrie are not the same player. Their usage and roles would be vastly different.
We had Dlo become a 3 point shooter because he was too weak and slow to get past the physical defenders that Memphis and GSW had.
Against the nuggets he actually had a better offensive matchup but they went at him on the defensive end which played him off the floor and affected his shooting.
If you swap Kyrie in for DLO this season (while still having Vanderbilt, Rui, etc.), do we win the championship? One way of thinking about it is that we lost the Nuggets games by a few points each with DLO averaging 6.3 ppg in the series. So Kyrie even averaging 16 would make them all victories.
Not if you take the ball out of Kyrie’s hands and turn him into a spot up shooter like the Lakers did with DLO in the West Finals. Are you going to ask Kyrie to make 3-pointers off EXIT SCREENS which equal baseline pin down screens set by the wing player for catch & shoot shots like the Lakers did with DLO, friend?
what makes you think they would take the ball out of Kyrie's hand? Kyrie is a lot better than DLO in terms of isolation plays, and they are not even in the same ball park when it comes down to getting a basket off a broken play. most people here doesn't want Kyrie due to his salary(me included) and off court stuff, but there is no doubt he is a much better player than DLO
Why do so many want a Luka, Tyrie, or any superstar? We're LINK close to being a contender with what we have. Getting a superstar might mean breaking up our core.
We don't need a superstar. We need decent perimeter shooters. I remember what we accomplished with the crew we have. A little tweak here and there would make us a serious contender without a superstar.
Give Wayne Ellington some PT to build his confidence. Look at Sweet Lou Williams. I know he's a bit long in tooth but he's still a sniper. There are good shooters becoming FA next season. Look around. Put the work in. Win now is what got us into the mess we're in. I can't emphasize enough how important patience is.
What in the world did I just read... Wayne Ellington and Lou Williams? You think those two are the difference in WCF versus # 18?
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